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Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
« Reply #285 on: January 14, 2022, 09:37:00 PM »
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    • While Wiest may have SOME info about him on the internet, he has ZERO public info about him as a priest, outside of videos of Masses at OLHC. The only searchable occurrences of the word "priest" are in these threads on this site. Tracing his 'history', the only thing that can be found is his ownership of antique shops in Michigan featuring Chinese and Buddhist stuff, and something about a possible Buddhist altar in his house. That history goes from about 2008 to at least 2015, and presumedly beyond that. He appeared at OLHC in early 2021. There's also multiple email addresses and physical locations that may or not belong to him. 
    A couple of photos, and that's it.

    At this point I don't know if we'll ever learn the truth. It's up to the chapel board to fix this if it needs fixing. Maybe he's really a priest, the board knows it, and refuses to release any details. It's up to the chapel families who are concerned to demand answers. I'm not a parishioner but as a traditional Catholic who knows people who go there, I'm concerned. 
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #286 on: January 14, 2022, 11:14:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: pre1962 on January 14, 2022, 09:37:00 PM
    While Wiest may have SOME info about him on the internet, he has ZERO public info about him as a priest, outside of videos of Masses at OLHC. The only searchable occurrences of the word "priest" are in these threads on this site. Tracing his 'history', the only thing that can be found is his ownership of antique shops in Michigan featuring Chinese and Buddhist stuff, and something about a possible Buddhist altar in his house. That history goes from about 2008 to at least 2015, and presumedly beyond that. He appeared at OLHC in early 2021. There's also multiple email addresses and physical locations that may or not belong to him.
    A couple of photos, and that's it.

    At this point I don't know if we'll ever learn the truth. It's up to the chapel board to fix this if it needs fixing. Maybe he's really a priest, the board knows it, and refuses to release any details. It's up to the chapel families who are concerned to demand answers. I'm not a parishioner but as a traditional Catholic who knows people who go there, I'm concerned.
    agreed.
    - a priest must have a public life.
    - any priest who won't provide his lineage is a priest to run away from.

    My extended family left OLHC, after having been there 38 years, when Fr. Perez introduced Croisette from the pulpit, failed to mention Croisette was a "deacon" by the hand of "fr./b" Pfeiffer, and then let Croisette distribute Holy Communion.

    It can also be up to concerned Faithful at OLHC to do their due diligence and call CA school authorities for advice on how to proceed regarding Wiest who has not had a background check yet deals with children.

    Maybe also contact old neighbors from his MI days (listed in one of the background check links somewhere here) and ask if they knew anything his being a priest. 

    I contacted all his relatives (listed on that same page) and only one replied: "f*** off!"

    His father, Norman Wiest, is listed.  He is still alive.  Maybe call or write to him?

    EVERY parent of EVERY child at that school should keep their child/children home and EVERY Faithful needs to go elsewhere for sacraments until Wiest's credentials are made public.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #287 on: January 15, 2022, 02:32:42 PM »
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    • Subject:   "Epiphany's" response  to this quote:


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     If Fr. Perez were still alive (God rest his soul!) I imagine he would resolve this whole matter posthaste 

    Not sure this is a true statement :
    1. Fr. Perez had ample time to ask Wiest for his papers.
    2. Fr. Perez introduced Croisette as a "deacon" from the pulpit when Fr. Perez knew Croisette received the diaconate from Pfeiffer (which he did not announce from the pulpit), yet Fr. Perez was unsure if Pfeiffer was a bishop or not, referring to him as "Fr/b Pfeiffer".
    3. Fr. Perez allowed Colletti for a long time.


    Absolutely correct "Epiphany!"

    Father Starbuck pleaded with Fr. Perez to have "Fr." Weist vetted!  All the time Weist was here, FATHER PEREZ, DESPITE SOME HALF-HEARTED EFFORT, IN THE END... DID NOTHING TO ENSURE WIEST WAS VETTED, WHY?!!!



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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #288 on: January 15, 2022, 02:55:06 PM »
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    • Wiest's parents are both deceased, refer to the other thread a few pages back. Their estate owns his listed address in Phoenix.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #289 on: January 15, 2022, 04:31:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: SupportFrStarbuck on January 15, 2022, 02:32:42 PM

    Father Starbuck pleaded with Fr. Perez to have "Fr." Weist vetted!  All the time Weist was here, FATHER PEREZ, DESPITE SOME HALF-HEARTED EFFORT, IN THE END... DID NOTHING TO ENSURE WIEST WAS VETTED, WHY?!!!
    Fr. Perez assumed any man who presented himself as a priest WAS a priest until proven otherwise.

    Fr. Perez clearly had little control over the school board, so it seems he would leave the vetting for the school to the school board.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #290 on: January 16, 2022, 10:54:18 AM »
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    • It wouldn't be the school board's responsibility to vet a priest.  That would have been Fr. Perez's responsibility.  
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #291 on: January 16, 2022, 02:10:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Thorn on January 16, 2022, 10:54:18 AM
    It wouldn't be the school board's responsibility to vet a priest.  That would have been Fr. Perez's responsibility. 
    OLHC isn’t a parish run by a diocese or priestly order, it appears the place is run by a board made up of laypersons. If they hire a priest it would not matter how long he has worked with them, he would not be given the authority to make decisions just because he is a priest.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #292 on: January 16, 2022, 02:16:03 PM »
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    • As I understand it, Fr Shell handed the property over to laypersons before he died? If those people own the property, then they would choose the priest that works for them, no? When would an independent priest come and take over a chapel or church already run by others? Just trying to clarify…
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #293 on: January 16, 2022, 06:31:27 PM »
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    • Fr. Schell didn't own the property so he couldn't have handed it over to the Board.  A group of lay people used to meet in a gym to say Mass with Fr. Schell.  Fr. Schell was a retired Jesuit that they had begged to provide them with the TLM which he did.  So the property was always owned by the lay people.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #294 on: January 17, 2022, 12:03:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Carissima on January 16, 2022, 02:16:03 PM
    As I understand it, Fr Shell handed the property over to laypersons before he died? If those people own the property, then they would choose the priest that works for them, no? When would an independent priest come and take over a chapel or church already run by others? Just trying to clarify…
    Wrong!  You wrote: When would an independent priest come and take over a chapel... very strange choice of words... implies perhaps a lack of knowledge of priests in what they stand for before God. Fr. Perez & Fr. Starbuck didn't "take over the chapel."  Their vows & commitment to God were to save your soul (if you are a member of OLHC) my soul and all the souls at OLHC. They do that by confessions, baptisms, anointing of the sick, Holy Mass with the Holy Communion.  "The Board" should honor and revere the priest and respect his opinion (Fr. Perez when he was pastor all this time and with his passing (God bless him) should have given that place rightly to Fr. Starbuck. He has earned his logical place as pastor because he gave of himself for 15 years at OLHC.   THERE IS A RUMOR THAT FR. PEREZ HANDED SOME "HAND WRITTEN" NOTE TO THE BOARD STATING THAT THE BOARD WOULD BE IN CHARGE.  I DON'T BUY OR BELIEVE THAT.  SHOW THE NOTE TO THE FAITHFUL!

    In no way should it happen that this usurper who is here for a little under a year and expects to "take over", by undermining Fr. Starbuck and manipulating and coning his way to being pastor! 

    This is an insult to God's will because God gave his blessings to Fr. Starbuck just by the fact that he was "Our priest" who heard our confessions, baptized infants, change the bread into the Body of Christ for us for 15 years!

    Ha! "The Board" What a Joke! "The Board" totally disrespected, betrayed, trashed, and dishonored Father's presence here who served for 15 years. Why? Just because Fr. wanted "Fr." Wiest to be properly VETTED!  Like Judas who betrayed Christ, they turned on Father Starbuck literally overnight (threatening Fr. if he came on the chapel property again he would be arrested for trespassing literally DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS.  WHAT KIND OF CRUEL, EVIL BEINGS ARE THESE?)  Why? Because Father gave a sermon telling the truth about "Fr. Wiest" not being vetted. When asked to show his drivers license because that's the law in California (when working with children an employee has an obligation to show it) HE REFUSED!

    You wrote: "If those people own the property, then they would choose the priest that works for them, no?  The answer is "NO!" That's how protestants operate NOT CATHOLICS!  THE PRIEST HAS THE IMPRIMATUR TO LEAD FROM GOD... NOT THE LAYMAN!J

    Sorry, I didn't mean to pounce on you... I just got caught up in the emotions and passions of the injustice to Ft. Starbuck. I might of gone off topic some.  This is kinda long. O well...have a nice day and God bless you.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #295 on: January 17, 2022, 03:08:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: SupportFrStarbuck on January 17, 2022, 12:03:28 AM
    Wrong!  You wrote: When would an independent priest come and take over a chapel... very strange choice of words... implies perhaps a lack of knowledge of priests in what they stand for before God. Fr. Perez & Fr. Starbuck didn't "take over the chapel."  Their vows & commitment to God were to save your soul (if you are a member of OLHC) my soul and all the souls at OLHC. They do that by confessions, baptisms, anointing of the sick, Holy Mass with the Holy Communion.  "The Board" should honor and revere the priest and respect his opinion (Fr. Perez when he was pastor all this time and with his passing (God bless him) should have given that place rightly to Fr. Starbuck. He has earned his logical place as pastor because he gave of himself for 15 years at OLHC.  THERE IS A RUMOR THAT FR. PEREZ HANDED SOME "HAND WRITTEN" NOTE TO THE BOARD STATING THAT THE BOARD WOULD BE IN CHARGE.  I DON'T BUY OR BELIEVE THAT.  SHOW THE NOTE TO THE FAITHFUL!

    In no way should it happen that this usurper who is here for a little under a year and expects to "take over", by undermining Fr. Starbuck and manipulating and coning his way to being pastor! 

    This is an insult to God's will because God gave his blessings to Fr. Starbuck just by the fact that he was "Our priest" who heard our confessions, baptized infants, change the bread into the Body of Christ for us for 15 years!

    Ha! "The Board" What a Joke! "The Board" totally disrespected, betrayed, trashed, and dishonored Father's presence here who served for 15 years. Why? Just because Fr. wanted "Fr." Wiest to be properly VETTED!  Like Judas who betrayed Christ, they turned on Father Starbuck literally overnight (threatening Fr. if he came on the chapel property again he would be arrested for trespassing literally DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS.  WHAT KIND OF CRUEL, EVIL BEINGS ARE THESE?)  Why? Because Father gave a sermon telling the truth about "Fr. Wiest" not being vetted. When asked to show his drivers license because that's the law in California (when working with children an employee has an obligation to show it) HE REFUSED!

    You wrote: "If those people own the property, then they would choose the priest that works for them, no?  The answer is "NO!" That's how protestants operate NOT CATHOLICS!  THE PRIEST HAS THE IMPRIMATUR TO LEAD FROM GOD... NOT THE LAYMAN!J

    Sorry, I didn't mean to pounce on you... I just got caught up in the emotions and passions of the injustice to Ft. Starbuck. I might of gone off topic some.  This is kinda long. O well...have a nice day and God bless you.
    I agree with you.
    However,  Fr. Perez DID accept Wiest, just as he accepted Colletti and Croisette.  That is a fact whether we like it or not.

    It is unfortunate they threatened Fr. Starbuck if he set foot on the property.  Seems to me I recall Fr. Starbuck doing the same thing to a very poor, old, and in ill health, carmelite nun.  Why he and Fr. Perez attacked her so vehemently while allowing Wiest, Colletti, and Croisette, still remains a mystery to me.

    Without Fr. Perez leaving his wishes regarding the passing of the torch clearly known, Fr. Perez left the faithful in a real pickle.

    Now it becomes the problem of the faithful to vet Wiest in whatever way possible, if only to protect the children.  It involves Catholic Action, and a lot of it. 
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #296 on: January 17, 2022, 10:41:35 AM »
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    • supportfrstarbuck & epiphany, you both got a lot of things incorrect.  I'm thinking you've only been there a few years & don't really know the history of OLHC.  I'm not excusing the Board, but, except for Joel, they've been there since day one.  As for that phony nun - that's a whole 'nother story.  Isn't she saying herself that she's not a Carmelite now, just a hermit?
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #297 on: January 17, 2022, 03:32:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Thorn on January 17, 2022, 10:41:35 AM
    supportfrstarbuck & epiphany, you both got a lot of things incorrect.  I'm thinking you've only been there a few years & don't really know the history of OLHC.  I'm not excusing the Board, but, except for Joel, they've been there since day one.  As for that phony nun - that's a whole 'nother story.  Isn't she saying herself that she's not a Carmelite now, just a hermit?
    My family was there 38 years...  before OLHC even had a school.  I was there the first 13 years, before I moved, but kept in close touch with Fr. Schell.  We loved him so.

    Fr. Sretenovic was at the nun's final vows.  She is not phony.  Carmelites were ALL hermits when they started.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #298 on: January 17, 2022, 03:32:37 PM »
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    • I am really quite surprised the board doesn't ask Fr. Sretenovic back.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #299 on: January 17, 2022, 04:10:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on January 17, 2022, 03:32:37 PM
    I am really quite surprised the board doesn't ask Fr. Sretenovic back.
    Many of us were quite surprised that the school board did not continue with Father Starbuck who we fully expected to take over following the unexpected passing of Father Perez. We were also shocked at the school board's animosity toward our good faithful priest.

    We knew that Father Starbuck would be able to do what neither the school board nor Father Perez had ever done, that is to follow the law (and common sense) and find out IF Wiest has ever been ordained, or not. It is a sad fact that Father Starbuck is the only one who protected the children of the chapel by telling us the truth about Colletti.

    Father Starbuck weathered the school board's inexplicable attacks and has now shaken the dust off his feet. His chapel now has three Masses on Sunday (along with confessions), as well as Masses on Fridays and Saturdays. He has also been performing Baptisms and Marriages. (He needs a baptismal font if anyone knows a source for a good deal.)

    God bless the person who live-streams the OLHC Sunday Mass; he will be switching over to live-streaming Father Starbuck's Mass at the end of January.

    Please join us as we continue to pray the 54-day Rosary to Our Lady of the Rosary for the rot to be removed from OLHC and for the protection and guidance of Father Starbuck.

    May God continue to bless Father Starbuck.
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