There's a school connected to this church so the battle should go on until they finally decide about Wiest - is he or is he not a priest?  I don't see that anything has been settled.

It seems that those in opposition to Fr. Starbuck don't care if Wiest is a real priest or not. It's quite bizarre.

It boggles the mind that this matter seems to be of no interest to the board. If he's not a real priest, his Masses are invalid and his absolutions in confession null and void. "Ecclesia supplet" doesn't apply here. You have a chapel there chock full of traditional Catholics and they're not bothered by the seriousness of this issue?? Doesn't make sense, especially since it can be so easily cleared up. But now I understand a lot of people have already left and gone over to Fr. Starbuck, who most certainly is a real priest with a real history of seminary and ordination.
What a mess!

OLHC has been a mess for a long time. I could foresee this coming from the first time I set foot in that place. 

Just to clarify once again, the name is spelled WiesT, not Weist or Wiese.

Michael WIEST.

There was a post on one of the Wiest threads that suggested he might actually be 'Bishop' Fulham, who supposedly died a few years ago but could have simply vanished. Some thought Wiest looked "a lot" like Fulham, of whom there are only a few photos on the internet. I looked at those photos and Wiest looks only a little like Fulham, not "a lot". There's a bit of a resemblance. The photos that are on the other threads of Wiest in the antique shop in Michigan (from I think 2015) leave no doubt that THAT person is the same one that's currently at OLHC.

Bottom line is this! After all this time spent here in seeking the truth about this man, Mr. Michael Wiese, and getting nowhere, I now feel, and am calling for, that this man should be investigated and interrogated by the authorities, namely the Garden Grove Police!  My reasoning is this:  There is a term police and the authorities use when deciding to investigate or question a suspicious person for any kind of possible criminal activity and that  term is "probable cause." It is my opinion, I feel that there is enough "probable cause" here with Michael Wiese and that he should be questioned and asked to show his driver's license to the police for the following reasons:

I would certainly argue that this man's behavior of refusing to show his driver's license revealing who he is and his history and background is certainly SUSPICIOUS! 

1 - Here is a man who desires to interact with children yet when asked to show his drivers license HE ADAMANTLY REFUSED TO DO SO!! WHY?  Isn't that a "red flag?"  Shouldn't that bother the parents of Padre Pio Academy at OLHC? Shouldn't they be up in arms that this man refuses to show his license and chooses not to give ANY information regarding where he was as a priest before coming to OLHC? If I had children at Padre Pio Academy I would demand that.  Where was he ordained? What bishop ordained him?  What seminary did he attend? THERE IS NO ABSOLUTELY INFORMATION AVAILABLE ABOUT THIS MAN AT ALL! Why isn't there a mass rebellion and outcry with to find out the reasons why this man refuses to show docuмentation about himself (particularly from OLHC parents who have children in the school) and the OLHC faithful who are very smart educated traditionalists.  What is wrong with them that they continue to go to OLHC and not question "The Board" and demanding to know the due diligence proof, docuмentation and history of this man?

2. There does not exist nor is there ANY information on any background check services for an individual named "Michael Wiese." Check it yourself!  The is NO information and nothing comes up AT ALL with this man's name in the most powerful search engine GOOGLE! WHY?

3.  Why doesn't the "Board" want to know anything of the background of this man particularly for the reasons that if, in the end, it turns out that he is not a priest that they would be legally and grossly liable.  In addition, they would be considered an "accesory" for providing "cover" for this man for failing and refusing to do due deligence on him and deliberately blocking any effort to legitimately seek proof of his identity as a priest!
The mystery is that he says all the right things from pulpit thus appearing to be legitimate and he definitely knows his way around the alter and the Mass BUT he will not reveal where he was as a priest previously!  Doesn't this bother anyone else?  In addition, he has been grossly abusive, viously angry, uncharitable, back-biting and hateful towards Fr. Starbuck! Why is that? This does not integrate with the way he presents himself on the alter podium as a nice, gentle, all-wise, advise giving and charitable "priest"?

By the way, how would the faithful of OLHC feel if it turns out this man indeed is not an ordained priest and that they have been going to confession to him and have been duped into believing that they have been receiving the Body & Blood of Christ, only find out that this man is a scam?  I know how I would feel.  I have gone to confession to him and thought I was receiving a valid sacraments from him.  If I found out that I was scammed,  I would be outraged and repulsed that I was duped by this man and the OLHC Board!  If that turned out to be the case, I feel a class action suit from all the faithful of OLHC to this man and "The Board" would be in order. Lastly, I ask that if anyone who is reading this thread and is a police officer or knows a person in authority can possibly respond and advise this tread if they feel that there is "probable cause" here.

Of course, God knows the truth and I am just expressing my opinions and legitimate questions here.

Lastly, If I am in fact wrong here and am shown the facts with solid evidence that I'm wrong, I would humbly and willingly achnowledged that to be the case and I would attempt to seek Christ-like harmony and peace to all involved. I just want the Truth!

I have read on many threads that it is illegal in CA for someone to work with children at a school and not go through a background check.

If this is the case, it seems to me that a simple call to the school authorities would suffice to put the heat on.  Wiest might even run for the hills if they start investigating him.

The fact that the board is not vetting him, as they are morally and legally required to do, indicates to me that they either know something we don't or they don't give a rip.

However, Fr. Perez, God rest his soul, has always had the attitude that if someone presents himself as a priest then you have to accept him as a priest until you can prove he's not a priest, like Croisette, or not a priest who should be publicly presenting himself as a priest, like Colletti.  So, if Wiest refuses to "show his papers" and there is little info on him online, how do you prove anything?  Wiest seems to know this and is taking advantage of it.

The school board needs to step up to the plate and protect the children under their care.  Everyone with children in the school should remove their children until such time as the school board vets Wiest AND publishes the information.  

One, and I mean one, incident against a child is enough to destroy many lives.  

Going to the police is an excellent idea.  I always thought that there was a law that said that anyone working with children had to be checked out.  I could be wrong.  After the Boy Scout abuses came to light I thought that they tightened the laws.  At the very least the police might be able to direct you on how to proceed.  Certainly worth a try.  If Weist gets wind of it & he's not who he says he is, then he just might disappear.

John Felton, can you tell us when you first came to OLHC & how was it a mess?

harborcountry-news.com


Click link below and choose the 2nd of the 4 photos:  Who is this?  Is this "Fr." Michael Wiest?  If the link does not work just copy this and paste it into browser.

https://www.harborcountry-news.com/features/eclipse-shop-in-three-oaks-filled-with-treasures/article_63387aae-97f5-5004-b9bc-710fdf373563.html


THREE OAKS — The new Eclipse shop at 11 South Elm St. in Three Oaks is full of surprises.
Owner Michael Wiest said Eclipse features “antiques from the 18th Century up until the mid-20
the Century, and beyond” as well as contemporary art.

From 2008 until December 2010 Mr. Michael Wiest operated the Opulence shop in Three Oaks, which he said dealt mostly in furniture and traditional antiques.

Question:  If so... what does a "priest" have to do with owning a antique store from 2008 to 2010?