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Offline Anne Evergreen

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Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
« Reply #120 on: December 25, 2021, 06:13:41 PM »
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  • Then I have to tell truck drivers not to take the Lord’s name in vain.
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    Offline Anne Evergreen

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #121 on: December 25, 2021, 06:18:42 PM »
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  • I for one hope that you stick around, Miss Annie. That we here on CI are a group of such different characters is what makes it interesting, real, and Catholic. It often reminds me of going to a family reunion (think Addams family meets the Clampetts, but Catholic ;)) .

    While at times tempers flare and things get a bit out of hand it provides the important service of forcing a person to grow.

    Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend. (Proverbs 27:17)




    Oh bless your heart, thanks. And I see you HAVE met some of my family members in the first picture? ;-)

    As to the second one, that seems to apply more to the CA crowd. I just say Y'all intentionally when I am trying to round up the herd. I only use it with Americans. If speaking with Canucks I would say, "You guys."

    Y'all come back now, ya hear? :-)




    Offline Anne Evergreen

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #122 on: December 25, 2021, 06:23:34 PM »
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  • I have worked with men most of my life and still do. 
    Oh my, what a scandal! ;) :laugh1: 

    Hooray! I have found a kindred spirit by the sounds of it! 

    I need new steel-toed boots. (Literally). Should I get black again, or deerskin? :popcorn:

    Offline Anne Evergreen

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #123 on: December 25, 2021, 06:37:44 PM »
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  • I'm was new to this chapel, just as I was discovering Traditional Catholicism and this chapel has a very special place in my heart. I stopped going there because of the things I've learned about Fr Wiest which is something that Fr Starbuck alluded to and other things that have been mentioned on this board which anyone can look up so I won't list them.

    While I have not gone back, I do still care about this chapel and I was so new that I did not get to make any contacts/friendships while I was there. Right after Mass I had to go to work so I could not stick around to talk to anyone besides to thank the Priests.

    So, I understand that for some of you threads like this one may be irrelevant but for someone like me (new to the chapel), this and the OLHC website are my only sources of information. If the situation with Fr. Wiest is clarified and resolved I would consider returning.
    Hi, hello, welcome, pull up a chair, a pontoon boat, or a skidoo. I am really sorry there have been issues of concern for you, but getting reliable information about that chapel is not going to come from this thread. I can 100% promise you that.

    At this point I recommend consulting your local police department there in CA to enquire directly about individual persons and doing checks on them or finding out the correct procedure for doing so. 

    I have gone from trying to figure things out to finding myself reading the National Enquirer.

    Dude, sir, friend, buddy, however you would like to be addressed in a casual and friendly, non-threatening manner, I am sure that God has allowed this to unfold in His good time, and that if you have other options for going to Mass, I highly suggest you take them and don't look back. If you are meant to know the outcome, then God will find some way to let you know.

    Otherwise, perhaps it is better you don't know the outcome. Think of it like betting on your favourite team--I am not liking the odds with this particular chapel. ;-)

    Cheers, and Merry Christmas! Anne.


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #124 on: December 25, 2021, 06:52:34 PM »
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #125 on: December 25, 2021, 10:04:23 PM »
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  • I have worked with men most of my life and still do. 

    This could be why you are a tough Trad woman 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Mele Kalikimaka!🌲
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #126 on: December 25, 2021, 10:10:51 PM »
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  • I like my square toe Durango’s.  They aren’t steel toed but very comfortable. 
    Thanks, but they have to be steel-toed. Unsafe otherwise and against regulations. I will keep those in mind for outside work at home, though. :-)

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #127 on: December 25, 2021, 10:20:59 PM »
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  • This could be why you are a tough Trad woman 🤷🏻‍♂️

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #128 on: December 26, 2021, 09:36:58 AM »
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  • For members of Our Lady Help of Christians (now in utter chaos) the Christmas Novena Masses will be said by our dear faithful Father Starbuck in his home Chapel. Twenty-five of us were there on Christmas morning for Mass. Mass again this morning. Please contact Father Starbuck if you are interested in attending Mass.
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    Offline Matthew

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #129 on: December 27, 2021, 04:39:43 AM »
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  • What was the reason to bring that discussion to the broader forum like this? So people could talk about something they do not fully know or understand while partisans of one side or the other sally forth into battle while others egg them on? All this shows is a distinct lack of charity, wisdom and, moreover, a love of scandal. Whoever these people are they want to talk about the board as "money grubbing" and "power hungry" without giving thought or care for the years that the board and their families have put into this Chapel along with Fr. Schell and Fr. Perez. What "power" and what "money" could they expect to obtain? All they were trying to do with their priests was to establish an oasis of the Catholic Faith for their families, themselves and others.

    I don't know anything about the chapel in question, but I know this:

    Seeking "power" at a chapel is CERTAINLY a "thing". And even "money", to an extent, insofar as countless parishioners over the years have sought influence over how money is spent. So yes, that's seeking after money in a way. Certainly power and influence.

    But my point: seeking power and influence in a chapel, intrigues, politics, etc. are CERTAINLY a "thing" at Traditional chapels -- that much is NOT OPEN FOR DEBATE.

    Now we could debate about how much of a problem it is at this particular chapel. But don't act like there's no tendency or reason, anywhere, for Trads to fall into that vice. Because they do so, all over the country, ON THE REGULAR. It seems to be an inescapable part of human nature, when thrown into a situation like this one (Trad chapels that are more-or-less independent islands unto themselves, no Roman authorities over them, etc.) Even SSPX has this problem, and they're a professional organization that operates like they ARE the Catholic Church most of the time. They have hierarchy and structure. But still each chapel is on its own more or less, so parishioners jockey for power and influence with the priest, etc.

    Right here in San Antonio, at least one estate was donated with the proviso that "Fr. Zigrang be transferred away from the chapel". Interestingly, he WAS transferred away for a couple years, but then was transferred back. I would laugh my butt off if that was only done to get that inheritance from that parishioner. :laugh1:

    What's insane is that Fr. Zigrang wasn't even controversial. There were no scandals or even problems at the chapel during his 10 year tenure. The closest thing to a problem was the overcrowding -- but that wasn't his fault. I don't know what would cause a parishioner to dislike him so strongly. Was the parishioner just flexing their muscles, a raw exercise of power for power's sake? It had to be.

    I spoke with another priest who said the SSPX wanted to know his "assets" -- right after he received an inheritance. His exact words: "They can SMELL it". The SSPX is really into money and real-estate grubbing these days. But I'm getting off-topic.

    In both these cases, you have the NATURAL taking center-stage. Money, influence, power. When a parishioner, priest, or organization loses sight of the spiritual dimension, all you have left is the natural. And it's completely natural for people in large groups (larger than, say, 20 or 25 people) to "play politics" and jockey for influence. It happens everywhere.

    Even Ham Radio groups apparently have "politics", though I haven't experienced it personally. So much so, that my local group of hams goes out of their way to stay informal, have no organized group, meetings, or dues, so as to eliminate politics. But I bet there are still some politics under the surface. Everyone knows who has money to donate for prizes, who has a tractor/shredder, who has the land for the Field Day events, etc.
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    Offline dymphnaw

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #130 on: December 27, 2021, 11:36:55 AM »
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  • This whole episode makes Fr. Perez look really bad. 


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #131 on: December 27, 2021, 04:49:32 PM »
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  • This whole sad episode makes Father Starbuck look really good.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #132 on: December 27, 2021, 10:24:20 PM »
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  • If this is making Fr. Perez look bad, it's his own fault.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #133 on: December 28, 2021, 05:20:21 AM »
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #134 on: December 28, 2021, 09:48:10 AM »
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  • Spiritual Prophecy:

    Those who participated either covertly or overtly in turning their backs and betraying Fr. Starbuck's presence of 15 years of blood, sweat and tears here in OLHC will face the spiritual retribution of God's anger.  God will not be mocked of his holy priest, Fr. Starbuck!  God remembers and will not forget those of you who have received the graces for 15 years of Fr. Starbuck's confessions, baptisms, anointing of the sick (last rites) and funerals.  This, in addition to receiving the Body & Blood of our Crucified Savior through the most holy consecrated hands of Fr. Starbuck! Now to have Father's detractors act in the end like Peter & Judas when questioned of his association with Christ "I KNOW HIM NOT!"

    What nerve of this usurper"priest" who forcibly bullied his way onto the pulpit taking over and taking away the rightful ownership of Christmas Masses from Fr. Starbuck this weekend without an iota of conscience on this "priest's" part! It was as if he OWNED the chapel and has been here for years! What a lie!  This was truly an ugly, crude, dishonorable and despicable act of insensitivity to Fr. Starbuck!

    Finally, in addition, like Christ in his passion, for Father Starbuck to be brutalized like Christ with a vicious "assault-like" behavior of this 7:30 usher named "JOEL IDDINGS."  He viciously  banged on the door of the confessional  WHILE FATHER WAS HEARING CONFESSIONS and demanded that Father not repeat his sermon at the 10:00 a.m. which he gave at the 7:30 a.m. Mass!  That sermon is contained herein at the beginning of these postings of "OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck"   

    Father actually felt threatened and extremely fearful by this individual's brutal aggression against him.  "JOEL IDDINGS" then ripped the mike out of its stand on the pulpit before the 10:00 a.m. Mass so Father would not be able to give this sermon with a mike.  Bravely, Father gave it without a mike anyway.

    Sources in the parish have now informed me that this individual had ordered Father Starbuck to not come on church property any longer and attempt to say any Masses at all this last Christmas weekend!  In addition, if Father were to come on the property of OLHC, Mr. Iddings had threatened Father that he would see to it that Father be arrested for trespassing!"

    This after this great priest has given his heart & soul to this parish for 15 years!  Am I the only one who is coming to the defense of Father and believes that Father has been brutalized, betrayed and dishonored by these people! ? God will not be mocked!