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Offline Incredulous

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Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
« Reply #60 on: December 21, 2021, 07:47:31 PM »
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  • If the SSPX Resistance was real, Bp. Zendejas would have assisted OLHOC.

    He conditionally ordained Father Sretenovich.
    Now he’s running solo based out of a lady doctor’s home.

    I guess that what Bp. Williamson meant when he said tradition could not be centrally organized (or the jews would infiltrate it).

    Now the only missionary apostolate left to fill the priestly void is crazy Bp. Pfeiffer, with his Santeria warlock operations manager.

    They will gladly help OLHOC pick up the pieces.

    :facepalm:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #61 on: December 21, 2021, 08:11:28 PM »
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  • All this news about the chapel is so distressing and disturbing. A major spiritual battle is going on there it seems. Many prayers for every person of good will associated with OLHC and for Fr. Starbuck, a good priest. That is all...




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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #62 on: December 22, 2021, 11:02:40 AM »
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  • Cera, you posted that it would be 'out of character' for Fr. Perez to sign any docuмent giving all financial control & the control to select the next priest to the school board.  That makes no sense since the board members are the founding fathers of the school & church!  Fr. Perez came much later in the game, so of course it would be the board who would choose the successor of Fr. Perez.  People had complaints about him from day one.

    Common Sense - I've been at the chapel so maybe you know me.  I know much, much more than what I've posted but don't want to reveal too much as I want to remain anonymous & peaceful.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #63 on: December 22, 2021, 01:18:42 PM »
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  • Hey Thorn,

    I really didn't want to post a reply but you talk like someone who's been at the chapel for a while because most of your posts are right on the money.  I know because I've been there since Fr. Schell said Mass at a middle school auditorium on Dale.  I was there when we purchased the property and worked tirelessly to make it what it is today.  It is sad to me that everyone involved can't see past their own ego that this is the devil's handy work, and that they need to come together to save Fr. Schell's dream.

    I know this much.  Fr. Perez despised Fr. Starbuck, hence the reason why he wasn't put in charge.  God took Fr. Perez for a reason and perhaps it was because OLHC needed a change in directions with Fr. Starbuck leading it.  I don't know for sure. However, I do believe it was wrong of Fr. Perez to leave this ministry to a board of directors made up of laypeople.  That's what Protestants do.

    I do hope that the board and Fr. Starbuck can find a way forward and keep this parish from falling into pieces.  Let's all pray to God and ask for his mercy and divine grace upon our little chapel.
    Wow, just wow.
    Sweetie, there's some humble pie being served in a cafeteria somewhere.

    I am beginning to think a lot of the problems there are because of the parishioners there, and not any of the Priests. Maybe the poor Priest had a heart-attack from the stress of dealing with parishioners like you?

    How about you all STOP discussing your Parish/chapel problems on this forum? How about you all discuss them in person, and in private?

    Yes, California, the land of fruits and nuts, of all kinds, including the tough-to-crack-been-around-forever-ones. I don't think I have read such a bunch of twat like your comments for a long time.

    Here is my opinion, from an outsider that can perhaps see things a bit more objectively. You don't deserve a chapel if this is how you talk about your Priests. Period. Remember this when the door closes.

    Merry Christmas, Anne.


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #64 on: December 22, 2021, 01:44:00 PM »
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  • The board can do whatever it wants. It's their land and building. Just don't lie anymore. That's my biggest hang up being lied to my face. Will not be coming back, going to SSPX in Colton. Good luck God bless

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    The board can do whatever it wants. It's their land and building. Just don't lie anymore. That's my biggest hang up being lied to my face. Will not be coming back, going to SSPX in Colton. Good luck God bless
    Applause, applause. I don't know how much it will increase your inconvenience factor if any, sir, but I believe your peace of mind and soul will be increased. You are a wise man to leave indeed. Applause. I am sure a caravan will follow along in your footsteps before long. Or for your sake, hopefully maybe not. I hope you find the peace of mind and soul you seek. 

    God bless you, and Merry Christmas, Anne.

    P.S. Excuse the format issue. In a hurry and it will not delete for some reason. As I tried to indicate in one of my earlier posts, "Follow the money." (ESPECIALLY in places like CA). I had my own run-in with a chapel down there. Cuckoo! I refused to engage in their in-fighting and such, and told them to stuff it. They had to close one of their little projects and drive their kids elsewhere. It served them right.

    I also refused another proposal from them. "Oh, but I could rent this out and make x dollars right now!" Then go for it. I wasn't going to engage with a bunch of money whores throwing the bills around, "Catholic" or not. Like I said, "Follow the money." It works every time...




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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #65 on: December 22, 2021, 03:23:33 PM »
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  • I spoke with Fr. Starbuck this morning, he says he has not been shown any letter, I assumed he had since he told me to hand the keys of the website over to the board, he said assumed the board owned the site and thats why he instructed me in that way..

    just want to post what I know to be the truth from what ive seen / have been told by all involved parties.. if any of my knowledge about the situation changes I will post about it.

    yes lots of prayer needed.. I agree with common sense.. we all just need to come together and meet in the middle to work this out for the best of everyones souls and Fr. Shells legacy.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #66 on: December 22, 2021, 03:54:27 PM »
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  • How about you all STOP discussing your Parish/chapel problems on this forum? How about you all discuss them in person, and in private?
    YES!!! This ^^^
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #67 on: December 22, 2021, 03:58:10 PM »
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  • I spoke with Fr. Starbuck this morning, he says he has not been shown any letter, I assumed he had since he told me to hand the keys of the website over to the board, he said assumed the board owned the site and thats why he instructed me in that way..

    just want to post what I know to be the truth from what ive seen / have been told by all involved parties.. if any of my knowledge about the situation changes I will post about it.

    yes lots of prayer needed.. I agree with common sense.. we all just need to come together and meet in the middle to work this out for the best of everyones souls and Fr. Shells legacy.
    Yes. Thank you for your clarification. I also spoke to him this morning and he told me he had not seen any such letter. He has great humility, which is why he deferred to the SCHOOL  board. I do not believe he assumed the SCHOOL board "owned" the CHURCH website; he just deferred to them out of his humility.

    Several chapel members are starting a 54-day Novena asking Our Lady of the Rosary to protect and guide Father Starbuck and to rid the chapel of evil. The official start date is Jan. 1; however some of us have already begun.

    As you say "we all just need to come together and meet in the middle to work this out for the best of everyones souls and Fr. Shells legacy." Amen.
    God bless you and have a Blessed Christmas.

    Here is info on the Novena.

    Here are the simple instructions:
    https://www.childrenofmary.net/what-is-the-54-day-rosary-novena/

    Here is a version with additional prayers.
    https://www.ourholycross.org/blog/2021/4/30/pray-to-our-lady-of-pompeii



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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #68 on: December 22, 2021, 04:12:23 PM »
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  • I am praying for you guys. We went to an independent chapel with problems about getting a priest.  Too much unholy drama.  





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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #69 on: December 22, 2021, 08:18:56 PM »
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    Merry Christmas, Anne.
    Blessed Advent.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #70 on: December 23, 2021, 12:10:06 PM »
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  • The usurpers on the OLHC school board have now told Father Starbuck that they are putting him on on “vacation” and they will not permit him to say the Midnight Mass, nor any Christmas Masses.

    Defintion of  Usurpers: 1. To seize and hold by force or without legal authority.

    Please pray the 54-day Rosary to Our Lady of the Rosary for the evil at the chapel to be rooted out and for protection and guidance for Father Starbuck.

    As you probably know, the first 27 days are petition and the following 27 days are in thanksgiving (whether or not the petition appears to have been granted). The official start date was to have been January 1, but many of us have already begun.

    If you decide to pray for Father Starbuck, please write him a note and let him know. His address is on (or used to be on the chapel bulletin), but if you don’t have it handy, it’s P.O. Box 427, Tustin CA 92781

    Here is an explantion of the 54-day Rosary:
    Whoever desires to obtain favors from Me should make three novenas of the prayers of the Rosary, and three novenas in thanksgiving. – Promise of Our Lady of the Most Holy Rosary

    On March 3, 1884 (in the same year Pope Leo XIII wrote the prayer to St. Michael, and exactly 33 years before the Fatima apparitions), a young girl named Fortuna Agrelli was graced with an apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary and given this special devotion, which she passed onto others.

    At the time, young Fortuna was ill with 3 separate incurable diseases and her doctors had given up on her case saying it was hopeless. In desperation, the young girl and her family began a novena of Rosaries.

    Our Lady appeared to the girl, sitting upon a high throne, surrounded by luminous figures, holding the Divine Child on Her lap, and in Her hand a Rosary.

    The sick girl greeted the Blessed Virgin with the following words: “Queen of the Holy Rosary, be gracious to me, restore me to health! I have already prayed to Thee in a novena, O Mary, but have not yet experienced Thy aid. I am so anxious to be cured!”

    “Child,” responded the Blessed Virgin, “you have invoked Me by various titles and have always obtained favors from Me. Now, since you have called Me by that title so pleasing to Me, Queen of the Most Holy Rosary, I can no longer refuse the favor you petition; for this name is most precious and dear to Me. Make three novenas, and you shall obtain all.”

    Once more, the Queen of the Holy Rosary appeared to the young girl and said, “Whoever desires to obtain favors from Me should make three novenas of the prayers of the Rosary, and three novenas in thanksgiving.”

    Obeying Our Lady’s instructions, the young girl was healed and restored to perfect health.

    54-DAY ROSARY NOVENA
    Traditionally a novena is nine days. Thus, Our Lady’s words to young Fortuna, “make three novenas of the prayers of the Rosary in petition, and three novenas in thanksgiving.”

    The novena consists of five decades of the Rosary (one set of mysteries) each day for twenty-seven days in petition; then immediately five decades each day for an additional twenty-seven days in thanksgiving, regardless of whether or not the request has been granted yet.

    So began six novenas of Rosaries, which became known as the 54-day Rosary Novena.

    To do the novena properly one must pray the Rosary for 54 consecutive days, without missing a day, and must pray the particular Mystery indicated for that day following the correct sequence.

    That is, the first day of the novena always begins with the Joyful Mysteries (regardless of what day of the week the novena is started); the second day, the Sorrowful Mysteries are prayed; and the third day of the novena, the Glorious Mysteries are prayed.

    The fourth day of the novena begins again with the Joyful Mysteries and continues on in that sequence throughout the 54 days of the novena.

    THE MIRACULOUS ROSARY NOVENA
    It has been reported that the miracle of young Fortuna’s cure upon praying the 54-day Rosary Novena, made a deep impression on Pope Leo XIII. He wrote 17 encyclicals on the Rosary and urged all Christians to love the Rosary and pray it fervently.





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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #71 on: December 23, 2021, 01:48:56 PM »
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  • I'm a long-time parish member of OLHC for over 10 years.

    The "Layperson" who violently banged on the door of the confessional while Father was hearing confessions is none other than the usher at the 7:30 a.m. named "Joel."  I don't remember his last name. After interrupting Father DURING CONFESSION, "Joel" fiercely told Father words to the effect of "YOU ARE NOT TO GIVE THAT SERMON AT THE NEXT MASS!  I know that Father was terrorized by this psychological "assault."*  Father actually felt threatened and extremely fearful by this individual's brutal aggression against him.  "Joel" also ripped the mike out of its stand on the pulpit before the 10:00 a.m. Mass so Father would not be able to give this sermon (contained within).  Bravely, Father gave it anyway.

    Assault Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

    "Generally, the essential elements of assault consist of an act intended to cause an apprehension of harmful or offensive contact that causes apprehension of such contact in the victim.

    The act required for an assault must be overt. Although words alone are insufficient, they might create an assault when coupled with some action that indicates the ability to carry out the threat. A mere threat to harm is not an assault; however, a threat combined with a raised fist [or violently banging on the door of a confessional while a priest is hearing confession] might be sufficient if it causes a reasonable apprehension of harm in the victim.Intent is an essential element of assault. In tort law, it can be specific intent—if the assailant intends to cause the apprehension of harmful or offensive contact in the victim—or general intent—if he or she intends to do the act that causes such apprehension. In addition, the intent element is satisfied if it is substantially certain, to a reasonable person, that the act will cause the result.

    This man dispecable individual  "Joel" must be held accountable for his abusive and in my opinion near criminal act he perpetrated against Father Starbuck!

    Father is a gentle, Christ-like, charitable, loving, giving, true traditional Priest who has given his heart & soul for 15 years of his life at OLHC.

    I ask those who have had the honor having knowing Father and have received the graces and wisdom of his confessions and most Holy Masses WRITE AND SPEAK UP HERE ON THIS FORUM and tell the world (and his evil detractors) what a great holy priest Father Starbuck is!!




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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #72 on: December 23, 2021, 02:18:21 PM »
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  • Yes. Thank you for your clarification. I also spoke to him this morning and he told me he had not seen any such letter. He has great humility, which is why he deferred to the SCHOOL  board. I do not believe he assumed the SCHOOL board "owned" the CHURCH website; he just deferred to them out of his humility.


    he told me over the phone that he did the day that I posted this. which may have been a mistaken belief.
    its not just the school board, its the board for the entire property which also happens to run the school.

    much prayer is needed 100%.
    Please Jesus show us the way.
    I believe this will all get resolved properly if we come at it with humility, prayer, and

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #73 on: December 23, 2021, 02:28:49 PM »
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  • How many people who are registered at this chapel?
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #74 on: December 23, 2021, 02:34:27 PM »
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  • We had a gentlemen usher at the independent Thuc chapel we went to was cussing and threatening to beat up the priest during Mass.  My husband had to jump up and protect the elderly priest.  One family who was a generous benefactor left. We left.  Shortly after this,  the man’s wife died.  Others who gave the priest a hard time died.  

    They would never treat a sodomite priest that way. 






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