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Why was today's live-streamed 10 a.m. Mass blacked out? Below is the sermon given by Father Starbuck at the 7:30 Mass. He also gave it at the 10 a.m. Mass which was to be live-streamed on You Tube.

However, a layperson attempting to take over the chapel banged on the confessional door and demanded that Father Starbuck "desist" from repeating this sermon. 

Father did give the sermon, however for unexplained reasons, the sermon was not videotaped and live-streamed as the 10 a.m. Mass always is.  Here is the sermon that the laypersons attempting to take over the chapel do not want you to see.

19 December 2021
Sunday
I had a sermon prepared for this morning. However,there are some matters of business that do not allow ofdeferral. Therefore, I will present that sermon at a later time.
I have always tried to be truthful and to do the rightthing. And sometimes I have paid a price for that. Butplease know this about me: I will always try to be
honest with you and to fulfill my commitment to youas a public servant and as a priest. I want to begin by
saying that these past five weeks of my life have beenlike no others. My vocation is not a job. It demands my every moment, and my every commitment, but this is especially so these past few weeks. And this on top
of so much recent loss. I have given 15 years now ofmy life to this parish (a quarter of my life), and I washoping to spend the remainder of my years here. I still hope that is possible. Over these years, I have rolled with the punches, & endured intricate/delicate, indeed,often complex situations. I have held my own. But when Fr. Perez died, there was only one person here who would rightfully have pastoral seniority to succeed
him; and, like it or not, that is me. But shortly after Fr. Perez’s death, a lay board rose up asserting its legal authority to appoint the next “pastor” of this parish. Iwant to be clear in stating that (w/o pointing a finger at them) this is Lutheranism pure and simple. Laypeople could never have the ecclesial power or jurisdiction to appoint or create a pastor. That they may have a legal right is not the same as having a divine right. And while there are fine people on this board who engender
my complete respect, the cohesion and leadership of this lay incorporation has been problematic. Nor do I see it being able to work. I did make it clear that I will not serve under another “pastor.” At the same time, I have wanted to  facilitate the transition that the church
is undergoing at least through the end of the year. That has been my desire.
I do not take my marching orders from laypeople. And I cannot, as a priest, answer to competing voices on a lay board.
And moreover, as a priest, my credibility, leadership,and moral responsibility could be jeopardized if a
situation not yet addressed in this parish is allowed to continue. My continuous requests for the vetting of
priests serving in this parish have not & are not being met. We have had a couple of priests coming through here whose ordination I found questionable
(based on information that later became available), and we have had at least one priest who had no business being here. Yes, mistakes were made (albeit, not on
my part), and we should have learned from them. Five years ago, I proposed to Fr. Perez the following specific requirements of any priest serving in this parish. And they are the following:
1. A criminal background check with ID, performed by a reputable third party, meeting state compliancy.
Also, the background check that I am requesting is not just a clearance check. It must consist of a positive trace of the person’s history.
2. References.
3. A chronological work history.
4. Proof of ordination. And I want to know the ordaining bishop, seminary, and formational contacts. And just for your information, as a Dominican I
underwent thorough background checks and continuous vetting over a period of seven years. And I lived under a virtual microscope 24 hours a day during
that time. Moreover, my background is not hidden. My formation and ordination can be found on the Internet. They are public.

Of note, a request that I made of Fr. Perez last summer got dragged out, & and was never completed. And if I
do not say something now, this situation will never be addressed. Let me ask a question. If you hired someone to work on your house, would you not want
references? Or if you sent your children to a day care center, would you not want references? This is the house of God. Can we be any less responsible?
So here is what I am asking: A priest is a public person. Let me repeat that: A priest is a public person. Therefore, with due respect to all parties involved & a presumption of good will on the part of
all, I am asking that the vetting of Fr. Wiest be completed, and that the results of that vetting process, including proof of ordination be made public. The
problem is that there is no public life of any Fr.Michael Wiest (I know this in part, not just because it cannot be found on the internet, but because I actually had a professional investigator call me one day to inform me of this. He was completely puzzled.) there is no public life of any Fr. Michael Wiest who was
born in Chicago, ordained in Italy, and who served in any parish or diocese during these past 30 or so years.
There is no public record of ministry. There is norecord of pastoral assignments. In short, there is no
such public person. And the fact that there is no such public person does not just amount to an absence of information, it amounts to a fact that demands explanation. It is a problem. And for this reason many in this parish question his ordination. For his own benefit we need to answer this  question. And we need to know the credentials of any priest serving in
this parish. That is not asking too much.
Finally, while I do not acknowledge the ecclesial authority of a lay board, if one is to exist, it must be cohesive, charitable, and committed to the principles of the Catholic faith. And if the parishioners of this church are unhappy with this arrangement, perhaps they need to consider another option, perhaps the appointment of a new board which they feel represents
them. But with all due respect, I just do not see this lay board being able to resolve effectively the problems this parish faces, or to find a clear path
forward. And FYI, this lay board represents the interests of the
school (PPA) and not of the church.
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Additionally, I do know that the board is considering (interviewing) priests who celebrate Mass according to the 1962 Roman Missal. I want to say that it has been our position that this Missal is theologically inadequate (if not modernistic). Fr. Perez vehemently rejected the 1962 Roman Missal. Moreover, it is likely to be problematic to our public celebration of Mass in this
church. May I remind you of some of the problems of this Missal (?):
Revised rite of Holy Week. The famous writer Evelyn Waugh considered the revision of Holy Week to be an extremely disappointing loss. The
introduction of red on Good Friday and Communion of the faithful were arbitrary and capricious, and miss the
fundamental (essential) point of the liturgy (i.e., the Mass of the Pre-Sanctified). It omits Second Confiteor.
It omits numerous octaves, and accordingly significant vigils.
It omits significant feasts, such as January 1: (the Feast of the Circuмcision). The theological
significance: Christ is the fulfillment of the law!
It introduces the Feast of St. Joseph the Worker (as a concession to the tenets of socialism)
It omits Commemorations.

The Passion Narrative during Holy Week is considered to be the Gospel reading. A theological fiction.
Feasts of important saints are haphazardly &arbitrarily moved, making it confusing even to a priest to follow this new ordo.
Feasts of historically momentous saints are suppressed.
St. Joseph is introduced to the Canon. Notably: This is the only change to the Canon since the time of St. Gregory the Great. Why such an introduction? And if
this is admitted, then any change can be made to the Canon of the Mass. And the theological significance: St. Joseph was not a martyr, an exception to the list of those saints who appear in the Canon.
It is inadequate to argue that there are no doctrinal problems with this Missal, as does the SSPX. It is a deviation from the lex orandi, it is theologically
inadequate, & it is misguided in numerous respects.
And even if you believe that the 1962 Roman Missal is okay, how could we serve the needs of this parish in
requiring people to attend daily Mass with two missals, perhaps not knowing which priest is celebrating that
day, not to mention the cost to those with less money?

And finally, finding a priest who observes and understands tradition in the same way as Fr. Perez and myself is a virtually impossible task. You will likely
either encounter a sedevacantist or a modernist (who says: “Yes I celebrate the traditional ‘extraordinary form of the Roman rite in Latin.”, as if there could be such thing). So I advise a great note of caution in introducing any priest to this parish.
These are my concerns. You may respond as you see fitting & appropriate. However we proceed going forward, I call for civility & charity, for listening and
understanding, and for a prayerful and thoughtful approach from all parties involved.
Finally, while it is not my custom, I am willing to make a transcript of these words available in a PDF file
for circulation, so that my words are clear for everyone’s understanding, for those who are absent, and for the public record. I do not have the time to
send this out as a response to every email inquiry. But if someone could assist me in making it available, I am
glad to provide a PDF file for circulation.


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  • This is one of the dangers with independent chapels; a board of laymen having more power than the Priest and the priest being subject to the board. This isn't to say that all independent chapels are bad, but I'm just pointing out one of the risks.
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  • Yes, all independent priests are especially vulnerable to demonic attack.


    Speaking from experience, you have a demonic infestation at your chapel.  How many times did Fr. Pfeiffer and his minions visit OLHC ?

    Bp. (Father) Pfeiffer has targeted your chapel.  His Santeria warlock... has targeted your chapel.

    Heed my words, you have a malefice (active curse) operating in the chapel.   And it's been there for some time.

    Father Amorth has lectured on the dangers of malefice and Pfeiferville has been caught red handed practicing it through Santeria.

    Your chapel core members needs to embrace spiritual warfare and find and flush out the malefice(s).  And an exorcism of the property is appropriate.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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  • 3 things:
    - Thank you, Cera, for posting Fr. Starbucks's sermon.  
    - situations often make the man, and Fr. Starbuck seems to be rising to the occasion. God bless Fr. Starbuck
    - strangely, this is somewhat reminiscent of the actions of the SSPX when "taking over" Our Lady of the Angels after the death of Msgr. Donahue.  They introduced "voting" for priests in order to save the parish from Fr. Berry.  

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  • Holy whack-a-moley. Y'all got some big problems there. I am very sorry. That must be difficult. However, thank-you for posting. I will add that to my list of places to avoid for Mass in future. Yikes. Creepy...

    That Priest needs to "disband the board." Period. He is the boss, and if anyone doesn't like what he says, they can leave. IMO. Boot 'em all out. Have 1 or 2 known trustworthy persons to assist in certain matters until alternate arrangements can be made.

    Thanks for whomever posted about the connection with Father Pfieffer in KY. I want nothing to do with anything he touches or visits, chapels included. That Priest has gone way off the deep end, and if you ask me, he ain't no Bishop either. (Slang intentional). The inmates are running the asylum. :clown:
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  • Yes, all independent priests are especially vulnerable to demonic attack.


    Speaking from experience, you have a demonic infestation at your chapel.  How many times did Fr. Pfeiffer and his minions visit OLHC ?

    Bp. (Father) Pfeiffer has targeted your chapel.  His Santeria warlock... has targeted your chapel.

    Heed my words, you have a malefice (active curse) operating in the chapel.  And it's been there for some time.

    Father Amorth has lectured on the dangers of malefice and Pfeiferville has been caught red handed practicing it through Santeria.

    Your chapel core members needs to embrace spiritual warfare and find and flush out the malefice(s).  And an exorcism of the property is appropriate.
    Oops, I accidentally mixed-up two replies and put them in one earlier post, sigh. 
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  • This is one of the dangers with independent chapels; a board of laymen having more power than the Priest and the priest being subject to the board. This isn't to say that all independent chapels are bad, but I'm just pointing out one of the risks.
    Sometimes I think going independent for Priests is one step closer to leaving the Priesthood altogether. I am not saying that is true of all independent Priests, of course, but I know it has been true for some.

    Very nice picture of Archbishop Lefebvre for your avatar by the way. He was such a handsome man throughout his life, and he had the most amazing presence about him. I hope he is busy praying for all of us right now, Lord only knows how much we need prayers on this earth!
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  • May I suggest that people who know nothing of the beautiful history of this chapel & school refrain from posting about it?  They are posting some truths but mixed with their perceptions which most of the time are really not true & a bit twisted.  They have no idea what's what or who's who since they've never even been there, yet offer their skewed opinions!! (talk about the height of pride!)  This mess/hodgepodge is only adding to the problem & not helping solving the serious problems they now face.  Please leave them alone to sort things out & SAY A PRAYER that God's will be done.  The board has been there long before Fr. Perez & worked with Fr. Schell so they know the lay of the land.  If you've never been there, you know nothing so they don't need your input.
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  • Incred, I didn't mean you as what you said is true.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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  • Regarding the passing of Fr. Perez at Our Lady Help of Christians in Garden Grove and the subject of who is to be the pastor, we need community pray, fasting and sacrifice begging for God's Will to be done.

    I have observed these issues firsthand today and I need to remind all our good people that "A House Divided Will Not Stand" Mark 3:25 - Be advised - God Unites and the Devil Divides 

    Therefore, I call all parties involved to "Love One Another" especially when being tested because the world will only know we are Christians by how we love one another.  Humility is required.  Submission to the Will of God is necessary.  Pray, Fasting, Sacrifice with Good Independent Spiritual Direction for All parties are recommended for proper discernment.  Time is part of the Discernment process.  

    Our Latin Mass is being challenged in the highest ranks of the Church, from the Vatican itself and it will soon filter down to the local Dioceses by political pressure.  The Vatican is requiring that all Tridentine Masses not be held within the parish!  This problem makes way for an opportunity at Our Lady Help of Christians, which is an independently operated chapel.  It is not a parish.  Given its legal status it could be the future home for many Tridentine Catholics, but it must first demonstrate prudence and justice, discipline and trust in God to do the Will of God.  

    How did the Apostles choose a successor to Judas?  They prayed.  Remember, Our Catholic Faith Is Not a Democracy!  The Majority does not rule in matters of faith.

    The question about appointing any priest as a pastor, for or against, must be proceeded by prayer and sacrifice and a charitable, humble spirit in union with the traditions of the Church.  God's voice can only be heard as a quiet whisper.  

    Presently, many I have observed that many parties are upset and have their feelings hurt.  Where is Love in the middle of all these strong emotions? Simply speaking if anyone is emotionally compromised, then excellent judgment is lacking.  One cannot be very emotional and at the same time detached from worldly concerns in preference for the will of God.  Pray, Trust and Faith in God, Surrendering to His Will, that God will handle it.  It is a process.  Wait prayerfully for God's will to manifest itself.  In Christ, Amen.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #10 on: December 20, 2021, 07:40:09 AM »
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  • Just wondering how independent chapels generally operate, since it's probably different than the SSPX or Resistance or any chapel overseen by a group of priests. 

    Do independent chapels generally have laymen choose their priests who will serve the chapel? I'm thinking that this must be the case, unless said chapel is owned by a priest. I'm not against independent chapels at all (I would probably attend an independent chapel if there were one near me). Just wondering how it works. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #11 on: December 20, 2021, 08:57:34 AM »
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  • It would seem that Fr Hewko said a Mass yesterday in a hotel in Irvine to some of the faithful from OLHC. Irvine is very close to Garden Grove.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #12 on: December 20, 2021, 09:18:16 AM »
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    I want to say that it has been our position that this Missal is theologically inadequate (if not modernistic). Fr. Perez vehemently rejected the 1962 Roman Missal. Moreover, it is likely to be problematic to our public celebration of Mass in this
    church. May I remind you of some of the problems of this Missal (?):
    Revised rite of Holy Week. The famous writer Evelyn Waugh considered the revision of Holy Week to be an extremely disappointing loss. The
    introduction of red on Good Friday and Communion of the faithful were arbitrary and capricious, and miss the
    fundamental (essential) point of the liturgy (i.e., the Mass of the Pre-Sanctified). It omits Second Confiteor.
    It omits numerous octaves, and accordingly significant vigils.
    It omits significant feasts, such as January 1: (the Feast of the Circuмcision). The theological
    significance: Christ is the fulfillment of the law!
    It introduces the Feast of St. Joseph the Worker (as a concession to the tenets of socialism)
    It omits Commemorations.

    The Passion Narrative during Holy Week is considered to be the Gospel reading. A theological fiction.
    Feasts of important saints are haphazardly &arbitrarily moved, making it confusing even to a priest to follow this new ordo.
    Feasts of historically momentous saints are suppressed.
    St. Joseph is introduced to the Canon. Notably: This is the only change to the Canon since the time of St. Gregory the Great. Why such an introduction? And if
    this is admitted, then any change can be made to the Canon of the Mass. And the theological significance: St. Joseph was not a martyr, an exception to the list of those saints who appear in the Canon.
    It is inadequate to argue that there are no doctrinal problems with this Missal, as does the SSPX. It is a deviation from the lex orandi, it is theologically
    inadequate, & it is misguided in numerous respects.
    Sounds like the problem is not the 1962 missal but every missal after the Holy Week changes of Pius XII in like 1955, no?
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #13 on: December 20, 2021, 09:36:15 AM »
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  • Sounds like the problem is not the 1962 missal but every missal after the Holy Week changes of Pius XII in like 1955, no?

    Go to the 18:50 mark. All the priests at OLHC hold this position.


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #14 on: December 20, 2021, 10:49:18 AM »
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  • Just wondering how independent chapels generally operate, since it's probably different than the SSPX or Resistance or any chapel overseen by a group of priests.

    Do independent chapels generally have laymen choose their priests who will serve the chapel? I'm thinking that this must be the case, unless said chapel is owned by a priest. I'm not against independent chapels at all (I would probably attend an independent chapel if there were one near me). Just wondering how it works.
    The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the center of our lives as Catholics. The holy priests who bring heaven to earth are of the utmost importance to Catholics. The understanding of most of us at OLHC was that Father Starbuck, having served faithfully for 15 years, would simply pick up when Father Perez left us.

     Many of us hoped he would solve many of the problems we have had with "priests" who are not actually priests such as "Father" Colletti (pedophile who had been laicized and who was not to say Mass in public) and "Father" Wiest (see Father Starbuck's sermon in the OP for details) and "Father" Croisette who attended the quick-study "seminary" at Pfiefferville.

    The school board members are puffed up regarding their own importance, but they are actually irrelevant. They first floated a story about a 2014 "docuмent" that Father Perez purportedly signed. Then that narrative disappeared and was replaced with a 2021 "docuмent" purportedly signed by a very ill Father Perez and "witnessed" by -- wait for it -- two members of the school board. This supposed docuмent gave the school board the power to morph into a Protestant-style Church Board (something Father Perez would never sign.)

    As an earlier poster said, Father Starbuck should just take over. (Easier said than done when dealing with those who so lust after power and money that they are willing to bang on the door of the confessional to DEMAND that Father Starbuck not give the sermon they didn't like.)

    These people have taken it upon themselves to run the school, but that does NOT mean that they get to appoint themselves as a Protestant-style church board with the power to run the chapel, take charge of all donations, cut Father Starbuck off from any Mass donations, and attempt to get rid of him to put Pfieffer and/or Wiest in charge.

    As Incred pointed out earlier, this battle is spiritual. Please pray for Father Starbuck to be guided and protected by Our Lord and Our Lady.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary