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Offline Anne Evergreen

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Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2022, 10:04:43 PM »
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  • Why does anyone wait for a Pope to consecrate their nation?!  You just do it.  We consecrate ourselves, by the total consecration, churches are consecrated. But isn't that interesting that this so-called pope has lost his authority. True.  Can anyone consecrate if they are not in the state of Grace. Hm?
    Our Lady asked that the Pope Consecrate Russia IN UNION WITH ALL THE BISHOPS OF THE WORLD, at the same time, and by mentioning Russia, *by name.* (There was NO mention ever about Ukraine. If Our Lady wanted the Consecration of Ukraine also? She would have mentioned it!

    It's a red herring imo. But back to the Consecration of Russia...)

    In other words, Bishop Smith from Little Rock, Arkansas, Bishop Jones from Tiny Town, TX, Bishop Bill from Somewhere Ville, Spain, and so on, and so forth. They all have to be united for the same intention.

    The Pope has to essentially call in all the poker chips, if you will, and get them all on the same page. He has to be the one to initiate it, and all the rest of the Bishops must follow. When the Consecration mentioning Russia by name is done in this manner, then Our Lady promised a period of peace throughout the world. She also said that it would be done, but "done late."

    This likely means that there will be limited time left in the world after the Consecration is done before it's all over. The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary then, may not be a long period of time as we know it.

    Our Lady would not lie, and she would not make promises she does not intend to keep. Fatima only happened in 1917, but since then, I do not recall seeing ANYTHING remotely close to a worldwide Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary initiated by any Pope, and in union with ALL the Bishops in the world.

    The Consecration has not happened yet, and I don't believe that Pope Francis will be the one to do it. I believe there will be another Pope after him that will.

    Also, in terms of the "Great Monarch" Prophecy? His name is supposed to be Henry, and he will essentially end up reviving France in a miraculous manner. He has not shown up yet either. Some world events don't line up for his arrival yet, because we also have not had the revival of the Fleur-de-Lis. Quebec fits into this because of the ties to France and the lily on their flag, but France is mentioned by name as being THE place where the Great Monarch will rule over.

    WW111 yet? No, I don't believe it is by a long shot. If it is, then none of these other situations (Consecration and Great Monarch) would make any sense.

    Our Lady kept all of her promises regarding the 3 children of Fatima. She will keep the rest of her promises regarding the Consecration of Russia when it's finally done. WHEN IT IS DONE? THEN, I would be panicking a bit more about the end of the world, so to speak. Then you really know time is short. And, time will be shortened, "for the sake of the elect." That part is in the Bible, but it stands to reason. Things will get so bad that ordinary people will despair from everything that still has to happen before the end.

    Edit in: But we aren't even supposed to be preoccupied with this kind of stuff anyway. The end of the world for us, is the day we die, and not a minute before. That could be Tuesday of next week for someone here, or Thursday in 20 years from now! We don't know, and are NOT supposed to obsess about this kind of thing either--to do so is actually sinful against God. It becomes a form of idolatry in itself.

    So all this constant trying to figure out who will come first, and when, and this will happen next? Don't even waste any sleep over it. We are to live in the state of grace always, and if God wishes anything else of us, we will receive whatever graces we need, WHEN WE NEED THEM, and not a minute before!

    If you don't trust in God, and trust in some exterior website yakking on about WEF stuff, and so on, or believe all the hype all the media tries to sell? Then the devil already has you PREOCCUPIED how he wants, and you are already his plaything.

    Focus on God, stay in the state of grace, and LAUGH at the devil. He will LOSE, and there is nothing he can do in the meantime except distract you from prayer, penance, God, and the Sacraments.
    "The world is thy ship, and not thy home."--The Little Flower

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    Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
    « Reply #31 on: March 05, 2022, 07:15:29 AM »
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  • Our Lady asked that the Pope Consecrate Russia IN UNION WITH ALL THE BISHOPS OF THE WORLD, at the same time, and by mentioning Russia, *by name.* (There was NO mention ever about Ukraine. If Our Lady wanted the Consecration of Ukraine also? She would have mentioned it!
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    She also said that it would be done, but "done late."

    This likely means that there will be limited time left in the world after the Consecration is done before it's all over. The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary then, may not be a long period of time as we know it.

    Our Lady would not lie, and she would not make promises she does not intend to keep. Fatima only happened in 1917, but since then, I do not recall seeing ANYTHING remotely close to a worldwide Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary initiated by any Pope, and in union with ALL the Bishops in the world.

    The Consecration has not happened yet, and I don't believe that Pope Francis will be the one to do it. I believe there will be another Pope after him that will.

    Apart from some of those who follow the Dimonds, most people recognize that the consecration has not been performed as requested by Our Lady.

    I disagree with your take on what it means that the consecraton would be "late".  I believe this means that by the time it is done, most of the damage will have been done, damage that could have been averted had the Popes performed the consecration before 1960.  This date of 1960 is clearly a reference to Vatican II.

    Nevertheless, the request for the consecration of Russia does not PRECLUDE other entities from consecrating themselves, e.g. individual nations, states, and even familieis.  And I beleive that Our Lady will honor those consecrations even as she would the actual consecration of Russia.  See the example of Portugal's consecration in 1931 from my previous post.


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    Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
    « Reply #32 on: March 05, 2022, 07:22:09 AM »
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  • It's a red herring imo. But back to the Consecration of Russia...)

    In other words, Bishop Smith from Little Rock, Arkansas, Bishop Jones from Tiny Town, TX, Bishop Bill from Somewhere Ville, Spain, and so on, and so forth. They all have to be united for the same intention.

    The Pope has to essentially call in all the poker chips, if you will, and get them all on the same page. He has to be the one to initiate it, and all the rest of the Bishops must follow. When the Consecration mentioning Russia by name is done in this manner, then Our Lady promised a period of peace throughout the world. She also said that it would be done, but "done late."

    Yes. This is correct.  So far every attempted consecration has either not mentioned Russia specifically [Wojtyla] or it was not done in union with all of the bishops [Pius XII].  And it makes me wonder about how this could actually happen.  Would a pope have to call a council? Would all bishops have to be physically present? If not, how would anyone know that all were in uinion?  
    How much longer Lord?

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    Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
    « Reply #33 on: March 05, 2022, 07:48:01 AM »
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  • Yes. This is correct.  So far every attempted consecration has either not mentioned Russia specifically [Wojtyla] or it was not done in union with all of the bishops [Pius XII].  And it makes me wonder about how this could actually happen.  Would a pope have to call a council? Would all bishops have to be physically present? If not, how would anyone know that all were in uinion? 
    I believe all it would take is to coordinate with all the bishops in their respective dioceses and have them recite the consecration the same day the Pope does. Those who refuse to obey wouldn't necessarily mean the consecration is negated, as those bishops would be culpable for sin in disobedience of a Papal decree.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
    « Reply #34 on: March 05, 2022, 07:49:16 AM »
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  • I believe all it would take is to coordinate with all the bishops in their respective dioceses and have them recite the consecration when the Pope does.
    You mean a universal Zoom meeting?  LOL
    How much longer Lord?


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    Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
    « Reply #35 on: March 05, 2022, 07:59:24 AM »
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  • I would just declare that all bishops are required to make the consecration on a certain date (and time ... although it would be middle of the night in some parts of the world) and declare that any bishop that fails to do so is ipso facto deposed, and therefore you'd have all the bishops making the consecration.

    Of course, if I were Pope, I would immediately depose 98% of the Novus Ordo hierarchy anyway.  Every Traditional priest gets consecrated a bishop and gets put in charge of a diocese or 2 or 3, depending on how many are needed.  In the Eastern Rite, you'd have to keep them in place due to a lack of Traditional priests to fill their spots, although there are some exceptions.  There are a few Eastern Rite sedevacantist groups floating around.

    If the NO bishops wanted to remain in the newly-restored Catholic Church, they would be allowed to go to a monastery to do penance for the remainder of their natural lives.  After some time, they might be conditionally ordained to the priesthood (since the vast majority are doubtful).  Otherwise, they would be defrocked and officially laicized.


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    Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
    « Reply #36 on: March 05, 2022, 08:16:42 AM »
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  • You mean a universal Zoom meeting?  LOL
    That's one way. The easiest way is just to set a date, like May 13th, and have them recite the consecration at Mass. And then, as Lad said, those who refuse are ipso facto deposed, and badda-bing, you have a consecration in union with all bishops.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
    « Reply #37 on: March 05, 2022, 08:22:57 AM »
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  • Just imagine the logistics of being elected a Traditional pope and having to restore the Church.

    Here might be the steps.

    1) replace the vast majority of NO bishops with Traditional bishops and priests (this is where the Traditional movement would have served as a "pilot light", as Bishop Williamson characterized it)

    2) these new Traditional bishops would have to identify any remaining validly-ordained priests who know how to offer the Tridentine Mass, and staff them in parishes (for the few remaining who aren't too old).  They'd require some quick refresher courses on how to offer the Mass.

    3) you could also identify various Motarian and FSSP priests who can offer the Mass and have been offering the Mass, and have the Traditional bishops conditionally ordain them.

    4) I'd require conditional consecration of all the (credible) Traditional bishops out there so that there's no more nonsense questioning one anothers' validity.  These in turn, once conditionally consecrated, would be required to conditionally ordain their priests for the same reason.  [This is something that should already have happened, but they're too busy bickering with one another.]

    5)  I would then have them identify men with some Traditional training, e.g. former seminarians, who are capable of offering the Tridentine Mass with a quick refresher and crash course ... even if they're married.  I would suspend the celibacy requirement temporarily until things get restored.  They would be ordained "simplex" priests just so they can offer the Mass to staff all the parishes vacated by the NO priests.  Then they would be given a course in moral theology so they can begin hearing confessions.

    6) Traditional priests would have to re-establish the seminaries and there would be developed a quick 2-year program to re-educate any NO priests who might be viable candidates ... alongside the traditional seminary for viable new candidates.  I would temporarily reduce it to a 4-year program (instead of the usual 6) ... due to the state of emergency.

    7) These bishops would then have to hold conditional confirmations, and investigate the validity or invalidity of other NO Sacraments and possibly rectify all those for the faithful.

    All this would be in addition to dogmatic re-affirmation of Traditional Catholic teaching and formal condemnation of the Novus Ordo, the expunging of the Vatican II "robber council", and ... if it were I ... the declaration that the See had been vacant (and infiltrated) since the death of Pope Pius XII.  EENS dogma would be one of the most strongly re-affirmed, defined in such as way and with such clarity as to close all the "loopholes" that allow people to circuмvent it with the right "distinctions".  I would forbid all mention of Baptism of Desire and have it expunged from all Catholic books and textbooks and might, if so inspired by God, condemn it altogether.  I would re-affirm the complete inerrancy of Sacred Scripture in all matters, including historical, (and put Father Paul Robison's book on the Index ... which of course would be re-established.)  I would put the docuмents of Vatican II and all the "Magisterial" works of the V2 papal claimants on the Index and order them destroyed and burned, the removal of all their images from churches, etc.  I would declare all the NO canonizations null and void, and all acts of the V2 papal claimants null and void.  I would issue an encylical regarding ecclesiology that might include some dogmatic declarations, and which would also clarify the principles behind the entire R&R vs. SV dispute.


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    Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
    « Reply #38 on: March 05, 2022, 08:25:42 AM »
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  • You'd also have some political issue in many countries, where the bishops are designated by law as the owners of the Church properties (and not the Pope).  So a lot of the NO bishops would refuse to leave and set up schismatic dioceses.  I would formally excommunicate all these and the move the location of the See to the nearest Traditional chapel (even if it's a small chapel that seats 20 people).