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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2022, 07:59:24 AM »
I would just declare that all bishops are required to make the consecration on a certain date (and time ... although it would be middle of the night in some parts of the world) and declare that any bishop that fails to do so is ipso facto deposed, and therefore you'd have all the bishops making the consecration.

Of course, if I were Pope, I would immediately depose 98% of the Novus Ordo hierarchy anyway.  Every Traditional priest gets consecrated a bishop and gets put in charge of a diocese or 2 or 3, depending on how many are needed.  In the Eastern Rite, you'd have to keep them in place due to a lack of Traditional priests to fill their spots, although there are some exceptions.  There are a few Eastern Rite sedevacantist groups floating around.

If the NO bishops wanted to remain in the newly-restored Catholic Church, they would be allowed to go to a monastery to do penance for the remainder of their natural lives.  After some time, they might be conditionally ordained to the priesthood (since the vast majority are doubtful).  Otherwise, they would be defrocked and officially laicized.


Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2022, 08:16:42 AM »
You mean a universal Zoom meeting?  LOL
That's one way. The easiest way is just to set a date, like May 13th, and have them recite the consecration at Mass. And then, as Lad said, those who refuse are ipso facto deposed, and badda-bing, you have a consecration in union with all bishops.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2022, 08:22:57 AM »
Just imagine the logistics of being elected a Traditional pope and having to restore the Church.

Here might be the steps.

1) replace the vast majority of NO bishops with Traditional bishops and priests (this is where the Traditional movement would have served as a "pilot light", as Bishop Williamson characterized it)

2) these new Traditional bishops would have to identify any remaining validly-ordained priests who know how to offer the Tridentine Mass, and staff them in parishes (for the few remaining who aren't too old).  They'd require some quick refresher courses on how to offer the Mass.

3) you could also identify various Motarian and FSSP priests who can offer the Mass and have been offering the Mass, and have the Traditional bishops conditionally ordain them.

4) I'd require conditional consecration of all the (credible) Traditional bishops out there so that there's no more nonsense questioning one anothers' validity.  These in turn, once conditionally consecrated, would be required to conditionally ordain their priests for the same reason.  [This is something that should already have happened, but they're too busy bickering with one another.]

5)  I would then have them identify men with some Traditional training, e.g. former seminarians, who are capable of offering the Tridentine Mass with a quick refresher and crash course ... even if they're married.  I would suspend the celibacy requirement temporarily until things get restored.  They would be ordained "simplex" priests just so they can offer the Mass to staff all the parishes vacated by the NO priests.  Then they would be given a course in moral theology so they can begin hearing confessions.

6) Traditional priests would have to re-establish the seminaries and there would be developed a quick 2-year program to re-educate any NO priests who might be viable candidates ... alongside the traditional seminary for viable new candidates.  I would temporarily reduce it to a 4-year program (instead of the usual 6) ... due to the state of emergency.

7) These bishops would then have to hold conditional confirmations, and investigate the validity or invalidity of other NO Sacraments and possibly rectify all those for the faithful.

All this would be in addition to dogmatic re-affirmation of Traditional Catholic teaching and formal condemnation of the Novus Ordo, the expunging of the Vatican II "robber council", and ... if it were I ... the declaration that the See had been vacant (and infiltrated) since the death of Pope Pius XII.  EENS dogma would be one of the most strongly re-affirmed, defined in such as way and with such clarity as to close all the "loopholes" that allow people to circuмvent it with the right "distinctions".  I would forbid all mention of Baptism of Desire and have it expunged from all Catholic books and textbooks and might, if so inspired by God, condemn it altogether.  I would re-affirm the complete inerrancy of Sacred Scripture in all matters, including historical, (and put Father Paul Robison's book on the Index ... which of course would be re-established.)  I would put the docuмents of Vatican II and all the "Magisterial" works of the V2 papal claimants on the Index and order them destroyed and burned, the removal of all their images from churches, etc.  I would declare all the NO canonizations null and void, and all acts of the V2 papal claimants null and void.  I would issue an encylical regarding ecclesiology that might include some dogmatic declarations, and which would also clarify the principles behind the entire R&R vs. SV dispute.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Ukrainian Catholic Bishops Ask Francis for the Consecration of Russia
« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2022, 08:25:42 AM »
You'd also have some political issue in many countries, where the bishops are designated by law as the owners of the Church properties (and not the Pope).  So a lot of the NO bishops would refuse to leave and set up schismatic dioceses.  I would formally excommunicate all these and the move the location of the See to the nearest Traditional chapel (even if it's a small chapel that seats 20 people).