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Offline nsolcis

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Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
« Reply #75 on: December 23, 2021, 02:43:12 PM »
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  • I'm a long-time parish member of OLHC for over 10 years.

    The "Layperson" who violently banged on the door of the confessional while Father was hearing confessions is none other than the usher at the 7:30 a.m. named "Joel."  I don't remember his last name. After interrupting Father DURING CONFESSION, "Joel" fiercely told Father words to the effect of "YOU ARE NOT TO GIVE THAT SERMON AT THE NEXT MASS!  I know that Father was terrorized by this psychological "assault."*  Father actually felt threatened and extremely fearful by this individual's brutal aggression against him.  "Joel" also ripped the mike out of its stand on the pulpit before the 10:00 a.m. Mass so Father would not be able to give this sermon (contained within).  Bravely, Father gave it anyway.

    Assault Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

    "Generally, the essential elements of assault consist of an act intended to cause an apprehension of harmful or offensive contact that causes apprehension of such contact in the victim.

    The act required for an assault must be overt. Although words alone are insufficient, they might create an assault when coupled with some action that indicates the ability to carry out the threat. A mere threat to harm is not an assault; however, a threat combined with a raised fist [or violently banging on the door of a confessional while a priest is hearing confession] might be sufficient if it causes a reasonable apprehension of harm in the victim.Intent is an essential element of assault. In tort law, it can be specific intent—if the assailant intends to cause the apprehension of harmful or offensive contact in the victim—or general intent—if he or she intends to do the act that causes such apprehension. In addition, the intent element is satisfied if it is substantially certain, to a reasonable person, that the act will cause the result.


    for it to be an assault he wouldve had to threaten to harm him, which doesnt seem to be the case here? or do some overt act such as raising a fist to them in a threatening manner. making the other party believe an attack would be imminent with the reasonable ability to carry it out in the moment.

    even saying something like "the next time I see you im going to beat you up.."  doesnt rise to the level of assault.
    It generally comes down to reasonableness... would a reasonable person believe that joel was about to physically assault Fr. Starbuck?

    not trying to take sides on this, but thats typically the standard for assault.




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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #76 on: December 23, 2021, 03:05:26 PM »
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  • I read the sermon to my husband. He said  Father Starbuck talks with sense.  Priests should be checked out.  Maybe they should do a criminal background check on the board members. 

    That is weird that there is no info about a priest associated with the chapel.  There is a school there and children need to be protected.

    What is Father Hewko doing in California??  Is that true??


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #77 on: December 23, 2021, 03:06:58 PM »
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  • I'm a long-time parish member of OLHC for over 10 years.

    The "Layperson" who violently banged on the door of the confessional while Father was hearing confessions is none other than the usher at the 7:30 a.m. named "Joel."  I don't remember his last name. After interrupting Father DURING CONFESSION, "Joel" fiercely told Father words to the effect of "YOU ARE NOT TO GIVE THAT SERMON AT THE NEXT MASS!  I know that Father was terrorized by this psychological "assault."*  Father actually felt threatened and extremely fearful by this individual's brutal aggression against him.  "Joel" also ripped the mike out of its stand on the pulpit before the 10:00 a.m. Mass so Father would not be able to give this sermon (contained within).  Bravely, Father gave it anyway.

    Assault Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

    "Generally, the essential elements of assault consist of an act intended to cause an apprehension of harmful or offensive contact that causes apprehension of such contact in the victim.

    The act required for an assault must be overt. Although words alone are insufficient, they might create an assault when coupled with some action that indicates the ability to carry out the threat. A mere threat to harm is not an assault; however, a threat combined with a raised fist [or violently banging on the door of a confessional while a priest is hearing confession] might be sufficient if it causes a reasonable apprehension of harm in the victim.Intent is an essential element of assault. In tort law, it can be specific intent—if the assailant intends to cause the apprehension of harmful or offensive contact in the victim—or general intent—if he or she intends to do the act that causes such apprehension. In addition, the intent element is satisfied if it is substantially certain, to a reasonable person, that the act will cause the result.

    This man dispecable individual  "Joel" must be held accountable for his abusive and in my opinion near criminal act he perpetrated against Father Starbuck!

    Father is a gentle, Christ-like, charitable, loving, giving, true traditional Priest who has given his heart & soul for 15 years of his life at OLHC.

    I ask those who have had the honor having knowing Father and have received the graces and wisdom of his confessions and most Holy Masses WRITE AND SPEAK UP HERE ON THIS FORUM and tell the world (and his evil detractors) what a great holy priest Father Starbuck is!!
    Amen. The individual you mention is a member of the SCHOOL board, which advises the school, NOT the chapel. Please join us in praying the 54-day Rosary to Our Lady of the Rosary for the intention the rot be removed from the chapel and that Father Starbuck will be protected and guided by Our Lady.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #78 on: December 23, 2021, 03:18:47 PM »
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  • Any school board member who acts violent and hateful in Church shouldn’t be involved in any Catholic school. 

    Children are sponges. They know what is going on.  They hear the gossip. 



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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #79 on: December 23, 2021, 03:20:23 PM »
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  • Who is the priest who they want for Midnight Mass?  
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #80 on: December 23, 2021, 04:04:18 PM »
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  • Any school board member who acts violent and hateful in Church shouldn’t be involved in any Catholic school.

    Children are sponges. They know what is going on.  They hear the gossip.
    Have a blessed Advent and Merry Christmas.  
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #81 on: December 23, 2021, 04:24:45 PM »
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  • for it to be an assault he wouldve had to threaten to harm him, which doesnt seem to be the case here?
    I think that whether the action constitutes an assault or not, it does not diminish the severity and disrespect of those actions towards the Priest.
    I do not think the Priest will feel safe around this person from now on. If that was the reaction in front of everyone I've be afraid of what he might do when nobody is around.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #82 on: December 23, 2021, 04:33:32 PM »
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  • What is Joel's last name? 


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #83 on: December 23, 2021, 04:48:16 PM »
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  • The posts here are sad.  Gossip, calumny, and detraction.  Pure and simple.  Even things that could be known for certain with a little research - aren't.  Too much trouble to find out what's real.  What is O L H C?  Who "owns" it?  Who owns the property?  Who are the persons with authority?  All matters of public record.  But, facts don't matter when "charity" (or, in the case of this thread, anti-charity) are concerned.  Congratulations to those who are trying to infuse some truth and fact into the discussion.  Shame on those who are simply "alleging" stuff because it fits their agenda.  I think I just saw this movie - thrice.  All three featured blowhards trumpeting an agenda.  One show focused on someone named Rittenhouse, another on someone named Smollette, and a third on someone named Sandmann.  Of course the blowhards had all of the "facts" (until they were proven wrong).  Deja Vu all over again.  

    Merry Christmas - and don't forget that the Confessionals will be open.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #84 on: December 23, 2021, 07:18:59 PM »
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  • for it to be an assault he wouldve had to threaten to harm him, which doesnt seem to be the case here? or do some overt act such as raising a fist to them in a threatening manner. making the other party believe an attack would be imminent with the reasonable ability to carry it out in the moment.

    even saying something like "the next time I see you im going to beat you up.."  doesnt rise to the level of assault.
    It generally comes down to reasonableness... would a reasonable person believe that joel was about to physically assault Fr. Starbuck?

    not trying to take sides on this, but thats typically the standard for assault.
    You need to read again the post you are commenting on.

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    The "Layperson" who violently banged on the door of the confessional while Father was hearing confessions is none other than the usher at the 7:30 a.m. named "Joel."  I don't remember his last name. After interrupting Father DURING CONFESSION, "Joel" fiercely told Father words to the effect of "YOU ARE NOT TO GIVE THAT SERMON AT THE NEXT MASS!  I know that Father was terrorized by this psychological "assault."*  Father actually felt threatened and extremely fearful by this individual's brutal aggression against him.  "Joel" also ripped the mike out of its stand on the pulpit before the 10:00 a.m. Mass so Father would not be able to give this sermon (contained within).  Bravely, Father gave it anyway.

    Note the word psychological.

    So you don't take sides when a priest is disturbed by violent action while dispensing a Sacrament of the Church?
    When a person "ripped the mike out of its stand on the pulpit"?
    When this terrorist demands what a priest can or can't say from the pulpit. 

    I wouldn't make light of such behaviour against the person of a priest. I'd be inclined to call such behaviour sacrilegeous.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #85 on: December 23, 2021, 08:51:35 PM »
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  • Indeed Nadir well said:

    "So you don't take sides when a priest is disturbed by violent action while dispensing a Sacrament of the Church?
    When a person "ripped the mike out of its stand on the pulpit"?
    When this terrorist demands what a priest can or can't say from the pulpit."

    This name of the "usher" who brutally confronted Father at the 7:30 a.m. Mass last Sunday is "JOEL IDDINGS!"

    Sources in the parish have now informed me that this individual has now ordered Father Starbuck to not come on church property attempting to say the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass at all this Christmas weekend!  In addition, if Father were to come on the property of OLHC, Father is warned that he would then be arrested for trespassing!

    This after this great priest has given his heart & soul to this parish for 15 years!  Am I the only one who believes that there is something seriously wrong here?


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #86 on: December 23, 2021, 09:27:38 PM »
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  • Why is everyone posting that Fr. Starbuck has given 15 years to OLHC?  What was he doing for the first 10 years or so?  He just started saying Mass a few years ago.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #87 on: December 23, 2021, 11:44:34 PM »
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  • Reply to "Thorn"

    You wrote:

    "Why is everyone posting that Fr. Starbuck has given 15 years to OLHC?  What was he doing for the first 10 years or so?  He just started saying Mass a few years ago."

    You are not telling the truth!  You lie! Have YOU been here for 15 years?  You wrote:  "He started saying the Mass a few years ago."  This is an Absolute Lie!  Apart from the time that Father was indeed periodically ill for a couple of years the most, Father has been saying Mass, hearing confessions and serving OLHC for 15 years!!

    I know!  I actually have been a member of OLHC for 15 years not the 10 years I originally posted.  I invite any other long time member of OLHC to corroborate my statement of Father's presence here for 15 years!




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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #88 on: December 24, 2021, 05:14:54 AM »
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  • Just wondering how independent chapels generally operate, since it's probably different than the SSPX or Resistance or any chapel overseen by a group of priests.

    Do independent chapels generally have laymen choose their priests who will serve the chapel? I'm thinking that this must be the case, unless said chapel is owned by a priest. I'm not against independent chapels at all (I would probably attend an independent chapel if there were one near me). Just wondering how it works.
    Yes, laymen choose the priests.  Sometimes they make very unholy choices. 
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #89 on: December 24, 2021, 10:30:19 AM »
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  • SupportFrStarbuck -  I actually support Fr. Starbuck, but the truth is when he came he had health problems that kept him incapacitated - that wasn't his fault.  He's only started saying Mass recently.  Why are you so nasty about this?  It's the truth.  
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14