Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon  (Read 56818 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Cera

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6570
  • Reputation: +3005/-1579
  • Gender: Female
  • Pray for the consecration of Russia to Mary's I H
Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2021, 11:21:57 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I share some of these concerns ernie.

    but it seems youre not aware of what the board is or how the board actually functions.

    The school board IS the chapel board, they never were separate. why would they be now?

    The letter is real. Fr. Starbuck acknowledged it himself..

    for whatever reason Msgr. didnt think Fr. Starbuck was right for the position.
    as much as some of us may not agree with it. thats the reality.
    It is a lie to conflate the existing school board with a non-existing "chapel board."
    No such board exists.

    It is a lie to say that Father Starbuck acknowledged the letter is real.
    You and the school board are the only one spreading that lie.

    It is a lie to say Father Perez didn't want Father Starbuck to follow him.
    Again, you and the school board are the only one spreading that lie.

    Repeating falsehoods over and over again does not make them come true.

    Calumny against a good priest who has served our chapel faithfully for 15 years is a serious matter.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

    Offline Meg

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6790
    • Reputation: +3467/-2999
    • Gender: Female
    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #46 on: December 21, 2021, 12:01:13 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!1
  • It is a lie to conflate the existing school board with a non-existing "chapel board."
    No such board exists.

    It is a lie to say that Father Starbuck acknowledged the letter is real.
    You and the school board are the only one spreading that lie.

    It is a lie to say Father Perez didn't want Father Starbuck to follow him.
    Again, you and the school board are the only one spreading that lie.

    Repeating falsehoods over and over again does not make them come true.

    Calumny against a good priest who has served our chapel faithfully for 15 years is a serious matter.

    I'm not trying to cause trouble in asking this, and I am not affiliated with the chapel, but do you believe that there was no letter in which it is was stipulated that Fr. Starbuck not take over in the event of Fr. Perez' death? The opposition seem quite adamant that there is a letter. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


    Offline Matthew

    • Mod
    • *****
    • Posts: 32894
    • Reputation: +29167/-594
    • Gender: Male
    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #47 on: December 21, 2021, 12:13:17 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • All I can say is -- what a mess.

    Glad I don't live near that chapel. It sounds like there's more scandal, intrigue, and politics going on at that chapel than prayer!

    Hard pass.
    Want to say "thank you"? 
    You can send me a gift from my Amazon wishlist!
    https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

    My accounts (Paypal, Venmo) have been (((shut down))) PM me for how to donate and keep the forum going.

    Offline nsolcis

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 16
    • Reputation: +8/-18
    • Gender: Male
    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #48 on: December 21, 2021, 01:45:18 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!1
  • cara is passing lies, and putting people off from the chapel.. not sure if shes doing this knowingly or not but its wrong.

    she thinks she knows more then the people who actually put in work there..
    have you even cleaned 1 bathroom at the chapel the whole time youve been attending here cara?

    the board is made of family members who put their blood sweat tears and money into the chapel waaay before Fr. Perez was even there..
    they control the whole property.. the fact that you dont know this should make everyone second guess any of the "facts" youre pushing here.
    I am not on the board, or related to anyone on the board...

    I am the web developer who was posting updates for Fr. Starbuck..  Fr. Starbuck instructed me to turn the website over to the board as they were the rightful owners per the letter...

    its laughable you think you know more then everyone else.. and everyone else who disagrees with you must be a money hungry lutherite...

    your uncharitable gossip isnt a good look for anyone.
    youre scandalizing people. please stop damaging this Chapel with your misinformation.

    thanks.

    Offline Minnesota

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2361
    • Reputation: +1341/-639
    • Gender: Male
    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #49 on: December 21, 2021, 02:08:35 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • It's a mess because dealing with the affairs of someone who has died, and the subsequent hereafter is very messy. I've heard stories from an attorney I knew.
    Christ is Risen! He is risen indeed


    Offline nsolcis

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 16
    • Reputation: +8/-18
    • Gender: Male
    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #50 on: December 21, 2021, 02:10:38 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • yeah its very hard..
    no one asked for this..

    Offline Cera

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6570
    • Reputation: +3005/-1579
    • Gender: Female
    • Pray for the consecration of Russia to Mary's I H
    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #51 on: December 21, 2021, 02:39:31 PM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!0
  • I am the web developer who was posting updates for Fr. Starbuck..
    The name of the web developer is known and what she says is the opposite of what you are saying.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

    Offline nsolcis

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 16
    • Reputation: +8/-18
    • Gender: Male
    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #52 on: December 21, 2021, 02:43:12 PM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!2
  • LOL... wow...

    clearly youre just a liar whos agenda is more important then the truth at this point..

    the web dev who was assisting FR starbuck was a man.. I know because its me..
    I built and ran the website OLHC.us for 10 years..
    everyone whos a real parishioner whos been going there for sometime and is knowledgeable about the community knows who I am.

    the web dev I handed it off too is also a male...

    youre dark.


    Offline Cera

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6570
    • Reputation: +3005/-1579
    • Gender: Female
    • Pray for the consecration of Russia to Mary's I H
    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #53 on: December 21, 2021, 03:01:55 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • I'm not trying to cause trouble in asking this, and I am not affiliated with the chapel, but do you believe that there was no letter in which it is was stipulated that Fr. Starbuck not take over in the event of Fr. Perez' death? The opposition seem quite adamant that there is a letter.
    A docuмent exists. What is in dispute is whether it is legitimate or not.
    Those who knew Father Perez know that he wanted LESS power for the school board.
    It would have been out of character for him to sign any docuмent giving all financial control and the control to select the next priest to the school board.

    It would have been out of character for Fr. Perez to give the school board the power to dispose of Fr. Starbuck. If that had been his intent, he would have done so himself, not do it from the grave.

    The first story that was being peddled (after the untimely death of Fr. Perez) was that Fr. Perez had written such a docuмent in 2014. Most people in the chapel have heard this story.

    The next version was that Fr. Perez had written such a docuмent in 2021, at the time of his surgery.

    No one knows if it is his actual signature or not.
    If it is his actual signature, as an earlier poster asked, was he under duress?
    If it was it signed, was it signed when he was in excruciating pain prior to the surgery?
    If it was signed, was it signed when he came out of surgery and was sedated?
    If it was signed, wouldn't he have given a copy to Father Starbuck?
    Was it actually signed by him at all?

    Motive and opportunity.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

    Offline nsolcis

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 16
    • Reputation: +8/-18
    • Gender: Male
    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #54 on: December 21, 2021, 03:03:58 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!3
  • from day 1 its been known the letter was written before he had his surgery..


    youve been exposed as a liar..

    just stop.




    Offline Thorn

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1197
    • Reputation: +717/-86
    • Gender: Female
    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #55 on: December 21, 2021, 04:00:42 PM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!1
  • Well, once more I'm going to have to come on here & correct a few personal opinions.
    1.  Ernie1965ray - in your post you said they need a 'new group of Elders'.  What religion do you belong to, to refer to the board as Elders? Strange.  Then you post that the men of the congregation need to vote.  Why can't the women vote as well?  The congregation should vote.

    2. Someone posted that Perez died as a chastisement for 'preaching against Covid' or was it the vaccine? I'm too busy to go back & see.  Fr. Perez died as a chastisement but it wasn't about anything as worldly as Covid or the vaccine.  I believe that Fr. Perez grossly neglected his priestly duty by allowing a pedophile who could no longer function even as a NO priest to say Mass on their altar & also allowed another man, Weist, with not an ounce of verification that he was a priest, to also say Mass!  Someone more knowledgeable in theology correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't all these a sacrilege of the highest order?  Then he allowed the Pfeifferville 'priest' to also say Mass there.  GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED.

    3.  Fr. Perez paid money to become a Msgr?!  Then when he found out he really wasn't a Msgr, he continued to use the title!  Some of his followers call him Msgr too.

    4. Fr. Starbuck may have been at OLHC 15 years, but the first 10 + or - years he had health problems & never did any public functions as a priest as far as I know.  There must be a reason why Fr. Perez didn't want him as the pastor.

    5. Fr Stretenovic left as he didn't like the way Fr. Perez treated people & he was asked to take over a Mission in another state.  I never heard of all those other reasons - going on vacation, etc.

    6. As far as I know neither of those priests have been conditionally ordained, have they?

    Yes, indeed, this is a mess.  
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14


    Offline Ernie1969ray

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 5
    • Reputation: +3/-47
    • Gender: Male
    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #56 on: December 21, 2021, 04:21:23 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!1
  • The board can do whatever it wants. It's their land and building. Just don't lie anymore. That's my biggest hang up being lied to my face. Will not be coming back, going to SSPX in Colton. Good luck God bless 

    Offline nsolcis

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 16
    • Reputation: +8/-18
    • Gender: Male
    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #57 on: December 21, 2021, 04:37:16 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!1
  • i feel the same way.. people can disagree, but at least lets be truthful about the facts.
    agendas help no one.

    best of luck to you and God Bless u as well..

    Offline commonSense

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 1
    • Reputation: +2/-0
    • Gender: Male
    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #58 on: December 21, 2021, 05:33:10 PM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!0
  • Hey Thorn,

    I really didn't want to post a reply but you talk like someone who's been at the chapel for a while because most of your posts are right on the money.  I know because I've been there since Fr. Schell said Mass at a middle school auditorium on Dale.  I was there when we purchased the property and worked tirelessly to make it what it is today.  It is sad to me that everyone involved can't see past their own ego that this is the devil's handy work, and that they need to come together to save Fr. Schell's dream.

    I know this much.  Fr. Perez despised Fr. Starbuck, hence the reason why he wasn't put in charge.  God took Fr. Perez for a reason and perhaps it was because OLHC needed a change in directions with Fr. Starbuck leading it.  I don't know for sure.  However, I do believe it was wrong of Fr. Perez to leave this ministry to a board of directors made up of laypeople.  That's what Protestants do.

    I do hope that the board and Fr. Starbuck can find a way forward and keep this parish from falling into pieces.  Let's all pray to God and ask for his mercy and divine grace upon our little chapel.

    Offline dymphnaw

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 415
    • Reputation: +266/-139
    • Gender: Female
    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #59 on: December 21, 2021, 06:01:45 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • This is so crazy. Stay away from these independent chapels.