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  • Then you must explain how non-Carmelite Fr. Stretenovic can make her a Carmelite.  You must quote a valid priest or Carmelite.

    You and Cera need to go back to first grade and learn to read.

    No one said Fr. Sretenovic made sister a carmelite. 

    I said: "Fr. Sretenovic witnessed her final vows."

    For you to continue to insist she was not a real nun is not only detraction about her but also about fr. Sretenovic.

    Sister lived and died a carmelite life, thanks in part to many at OLHC who did not help her with even the basic necessities of life (food, water and shelter) and actively persecuted her, including Fr. Starbuck who told her the police would be called if she set foot on OHLC property.  You should all hang your heads in shame.

    God rest her soul.

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  • When a priest witnesses final vows - isn't that "making her a Carmelite'?  If not, then what makes a Carmelite?  What does 'final vows' mean to you?  What Carmelite welcomed Debbie into the Carmelites?  A Mother Superior of the Carmelites had to be there as well to witness this.  Otherwise there is no order - anyone can be a Carmelite just by wishing - in your mind.  Can't you see, can't you fathom, what chaos this would cause as ANYONE- worthy or not - could be a "Carmelite'.

    Suppose I go over to your house & welcomed all the homeless in.  Would they now have your name & be your responsibility?  Can't you see what chaos this would cause?  Are you really this dense or just stubborn to face facts?
    You & only you can welcome people in.  A Carmelite & only a Carmelite can welcome someone into the Order.  Face REALITY, epiphany.
    I'm done with you & your delusions.  If you can't see this, then you're HOPELESS.
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  • When a priest witnesses final vows - isn't that "making her a Carmelite'?  If not, then what makes a Carmelite?  What does 'final vows' mean to you?  What Carmelite welcomed Debbie into the Carmelites?  A Mother Superior of the Carmelites had to be there as well to witness this.  Otherwise there is no order - anyone can be a Carmelite just by wishing - in your mind.  Can't you see, can't you fathom, what chaos this would cause as ANYONE- worthy or not - could be a "Carmelite'.

    Suppose I go over to your house & welcomed all the homeless in.  Would they now have your name & be your responsibility?  Can't you see what chaos this would cause?  Are you really this dense or just stubborn to face facts?
    You & only you can welcome people in.  A Carmelite & only a Carmelite can welcome someone into the Order.  Face REALITY, epiphany.
    I'm done with you & your delusions.  If you can't see this, then you're HOPELESS.
    Cutting all the emotionalism aside, are we to understand that people walked by this woman every Sunday and ignored her? Did she die on the sidewalk? Unless she was causing a disturbance why was she threatened with arrest? Why accept any guy who showed up claiming to be a priest and come down on this woman? More and more I'm convinced that these independent chapels are bad news and despite really liking Fr. Perez from his interviews it looks like he had terrible judgement. 

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  • You and Cera need to go back to first grade and learn to read.

    No one said Fr. Sretenovic made sister a carmelite. 

    I said: "Fr. Sretenovic witnessed her final vows."

    For you to continue to insist she was not a real nun is not only detraction about her but also about fr. Sretenovic.

    Sister lived and died a carmelite life, thanks in part to many at OLHC who did not help her with even the basic necessities of life (food, water and shelter) and actively persecuted her, including Fr. Starbuck who told her the police would be called if she set foot on OHLC property.  You should all hang your heads in shame.

    God rest her soul.
    If anyone should be hanging her head in shame, it is you Epiphany. You are the one engaging in calumny against a good and faithful priest.

    Out of Christian charity I have refrained from speaking the facts. But as you and others have continued to attack a good and holy priest, I must speak out with the facts as personally told to me by Debbie.

    Debbie, God rest her soul, was a laywoman for the first 60 years of her life, when she decided she wanted to be a nun and sewed a her own habit. She personally told me that she had a "high-power career in New York" and "shopped only at the most expensive department stores" and bought "only the most expensive designer suits".

    She also told me she had two grown sons. Where were they and why did they not help out their aging mother?

    Debbie was troubled,had mental and emotional problems, and repeatedly changed her name. I forget her other names prior to Sister Anastasia, but one was Sister Maria de Torres.

    She left OLHC numerous times for greener pastures. Once I remember she told me she was going to France to join an order. Six or so months later she returned and said it did not work out. Several years later she left for South America for a different religious order and told me if I wrote to her to use invisible ink because the police would be watching her. Once again she returned and said it did not work out.

    Several different families took her in for periods of time and once again, it did not work out. One person who took her in told me she expected to be waited on. More details are known about this problem, but let us let the dead rest in peace. For a couple of years she lived in a homeless shelter in Long Beach.

    May she rest in peace. May Father Perez rest in peace. Let us pray.

    Father Perez had complaints from chapel members about her constant begging before and after Mass. It is my understanding that he repeatedly asked her to stop doing so,, but she persisted. Eventually Father Perez instructed Father Starbuck to tell her to leave.
    (This was his M.O., as when he told Father Starbuck to deal with the school board to find out why they refused to vet Wiest)
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    Debbie was attending the Indult at the San Juan Capistrano Mission when she passed away. If you continue to have questions, please contact Father John who says the Indult Mass there.


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  • despite really liking Fr. Perez from his interviews it looks like he had terrible judgement.

    Nearly every one of these lay-controlled independent chapels has gone down the same path to destruction after the original founding priest passed away.


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  • Father Perez had complaints from chapel members about her constant begging before and after Mass. It is my understanding that he repeatedly asked her to stop doing so,, but she persisted. Eventually Father Perez instructed Father Starbuck to tell her to leave.
    (This was his M.O., as when he told Father Starbuck to deal with the school board to find out why they refused to vet Wiest)
    )
    Debbie was attending the Indult at the San Juan Capistrano Mission when she passed away. If you continue to have questions, please contact Father John who says the Indult Mass there.



    Okay, now this makes sense. 

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  • When a priest witnesses final vows - isn't that "making her a Carmelite'?  If not, then what makes a Carmelite?  What does 'final vows' mean to you?  What Carmelite welcomed Debbie into the Carmelites?  A Mother Superior of the Carmelites had to be there as well to witness this.  Otherwise there is no order - anyone can be a Carmelite just by wishing - in your mind.  Can't you see, can't you fathom, what chaos this would cause as ANYONE- worthy or not - could be a "Carmelite'.

    Suppose I go over to your house & welcomed all the homeless in.  Would they now have your name & be your responsibility?  Can't you see what chaos this would cause?  Are you really this dense or just stubborn to face facts?
    You & only you can welcome people in.  A Carmelite & only a Carmelite can welcome someone into the Order.  Face REALITY, epiphany.
    I'm done with you & your delusions.  If you can't see this, then you're HOPELESS.
    If I am walking and witness an accident, I was not the cause of the accident, I was not party to the accident, I just witnessed it.  I saw it.

    Fr. Sretenovic witnessed her final vows.

    End of story. 

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  • Cutting all the emotionalism aside, are we to understand that people walked by this woman every Sunday and ignored her? Did she die on the sidewalk? Unless she was causing a disturbance why was she threatened with arrest? Why accept any guy who showed up claiming to be a priest and come down on this woman? More and more I'm convinced that these independent chapels are bad news and despite really liking Fr. Perez from his interviews it looks like he had terrible judgement.
    She caused no disturbances.
    Fr. Perez did not like her complaining to people about his decisions so Fr. Starbuck told her the police would be called if she entered OLHC property.

    As for accepting any guy who showed up aiming to be a priest, Fr. Perez believed if he walks like a priest and talks like a priest then treat him as a priest until proven otherwise.  It is the same judgement Tradition has.  It is not what ABL taught.

    Fr. Perez was a very good priest, as is Fr. Starbuck, but we all have our faults and mistakes.  I hope Fr. Starbuck and all of OLHC now realize their mistake in not helping poor sister, God rest her soul.


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  • Nearly every one of these lay-controlled independent chapels has gone down the same path to destruction after the original founding priest passed away.
    I sure miss Fr. Schell, to this day.

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  • If anyone should be hanging her head in shame, it is you Epiphany. You are the one engaging in calumny against a good and faithful priest.

    Out of Christian charity I have refrained from speaking the facts. But as you and others have continued to attack a good and holy priest, I must speak out with the facts as personally told to me by Debbie.

    Debbie, God rest her soul, was a laywoman for the first 60 years of her life, when she decided she wanted to be a nun and sewed a her own habit. She personally told me that she had a "high-power career in New York" and "shopped only at the most expensive department stores" and bought "only the most expensive designer suits".

    She also told me she had two grown sons. Where were they and why did they not help out their aging mother?

    Debbie was troubled,had mental and emotional problems, and repeatedly changed her name. I forget her other names prior to Sister Anastasia, but one was Sister Maria de Torres.

    She left OLHC numerous times for greener pastures. Once I remember she told me she was going to France to join an order. Six or so months later she returned and said it did not work out. Several years later she left for South America for a different religious order and told me if I wrote to her to use invisible ink because the police would be watching her. Once again she returned and said it did not work out.

    Several different families took her in for periods of time and once again, it did not work out. One person who took her in told me she expected to be waited on. More details are known about this problem, but let us let the dead rest in peace. For a couple of years she lived in a homeless shelter in Long Beach.

    May she rest in peace. May Father Perez rest in peace. Let us pray.

    Father Perez had complaints from chapel members about her constant begging before and after Mass. It is my understanding that he repeatedly asked her to stop doing so,, but she persisted. Eventually Father Perez instructed Father Starbuck to tell her to leave.
    (This was his M.O., as when he told Father Starbuck to deal with the school board to find out why they refused to vet Wiest)
    )
    Debbie was attending the Indult at the San Juan Capistrano Mission when she passed away. If you continue to have questions, please contact Father John who says the Indult Mass there.
    What you say sister told you is very different than what she and Fr. Perez told me.

    Let us let the dead nun rest in peace.