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Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
« Reply #345 on: February 08, 2022, 01:50:29 AM »
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  • What a sad state of affairs. Another reason I'm very wary about "independent priests" and "independent chapels" that reports to no one.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #346 on: February 08, 2022, 01:25:44 PM »
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  • What a sad state of affairs. Another reason I'm very wary about "independent priests" and "independent chapels" that reports to no one.
    Indeed.
    especially since Canon law says that each priest MUST report to a bishop superior, if only to get new holy oils once a year.


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #347 on: February 13, 2022, 08:34:19 PM »
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  • I am wondering any further news about "Fr." Wiest's presence at OLHC?  It seem that he has been feeling the heat from our efforts here and I heard from a source today that he is staying low key and in a somewhat retreating mode and saying Mass?? only at certain family's homes not at OLHC.  Is that true?

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #348 on: February 14, 2022, 12:38:00 AM »
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  • God's grace has abundantly favored Father Starbuck today!  More and more souls are showing their love, loyalty and devotion to our beloved Father and his beautiful (pre-1962 Missal) Latin Mass.  God is giving the grace of discernment and truth to more and more souls in finding the truth regarding the injustice Father endured when he was forced out of OLHC after 15 years of unwavering faithful loyalty! I believe God will severely punish those individuals who deliberately willed and did hurt Father by their almost assault-like aggression to Father by casting him out with the threat of "having him arrested if he ever set foot on OLHC property again" mere days before Christmas as outlined in the earlier written blogs herein.

    In any event, there were 75 souls at the 7:30 a.m. Mass at St. Dominic's Chapel today (Standing room only). There was 45 souls at the 9:30 a.m. and 45 souls at the 12:00 Masses.  Many confessions... Father is available for confession before all three Masses. A rarity indeed in all of Orange County's Catholic churches. Father is so generous and giving of his time and energy.  In addition, the rosary was recited to Our Blessed Mother before all Masses.

    Anyone... I am wondering if there is any further news about "Fr." Wiest's presence at OLHC?  It seem that he has been feeling the heat from our efforts here at CatholicInfo.com and I heard that he is deliberately staying low key and is in a somewhat retreating mode saying Mass?? only at certain individual's homes but NOT at OLHC!  Is that true? Any news Anyone? 

    IF it turns out to be true, why with all of the what appears to be a Fraud perpetrated by "Fr." Wiest as to his true identification, I don't feel he should be given the opportunity to simply "cut and run" now without seeing to it that there should be consequences if their was indeed any sort of Fraud perpetrated on the faithful of OLHC.  I also believe their should be consequences for "The Board" who (if true) provided "cover" for this man! AFTER ALL I WENT TO CONFESSION TO THIS MAN AND i BELIEVED I RECEIVED THE BODY & BLOOD OF JESUS FROM THIS MAN TO ONLY POSSIBLY MADE A FOOL OF.



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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #349 on: February 15, 2022, 07:52:52 AM »
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  • Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.


    This statement is not true.  While I absolutely do not support these schismatic Old Catholics, we cannot spread falsehoods. 

    This "Abbate" did not ordain nor consecrate Schweikert.  Schweikert was consecrated by Sigismund Vipartas (consecrated by Carfora), thus he would have had valid (but schismatic) orders through the Old Catholics.

    Schweikert did not accept Abbate as having valid orders.  


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #350 on: February 15, 2022, 05:59:07 PM »
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  • This statement is not true.  While I absolutely do not support these schismatic Old Catholics, we cannot spread falsehoods. 

    This "Abbate" did not ordain nor consecrate Schweikert.  Schweikert was consecrated by Sigismund Vipartas (consecrated by Carfora), thus he would have had valid (but schismatic) orders through the Old Catholics.

    Schweikert did not accept Abbate as having valid orders. 
    Schweikert was correct in not accepting Abbate as having valid orders, seeing that Abbate was deluded into believed that he was "ordained" by Jesus after He (Jesus) walked into Abbate's barber shop and sat down in Abbate's barber chair. Abbate had no actual ordination, so of course Schweikert could not accept Abbate as having a valid ordination.

    Schweikert did not allow his doubts regarding whether or not Abbate was a priest or a lunatic interfere with his decision to take over Abbate's cult and the financial control that went with it.

    It is known that Schweikert was ordained several times, leading some to believe that one of those unexplained ordinations was by Abbate when he chose Schweikert to take over control of the cult (who believed that Abbate was told by Jesus that he was first born on Mars, then died and was reincarnated, but continued to travel back to Mars periodically.) Abbate was repeatedly ruled insane and incarcerated, he also repeatedly raped teen-age girls who had joined his order of pseudo-nuns.

    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #351 on: February 25, 2022, 12:54:17 PM »
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  • Don't know if its true or not (correct me if I'm wrong), but the last word I've heard is that Wiest has been asked to leave by the OLHC board and he refuses to do so.  I understands he continues to stay at a place that is funded by OLHC faithful (Our money!). At this point, he is basically a shamed fraud/con man who is hunkered down in a place like a criminal on the run!

    A triumphant victory for our dear Father Starbuck who was a victim and was abused by Wiest with the evil blessings of "the board" at OLHC.  A fraud has been perpetrated and Wiest and "the board" (particularly the individual who banged on the door terrorizing Father while he was in the confessional that Sunday morning should be penalized for their actions!).  There should be just consequences paid by Wiest, the Board and this despicable individual!  Wiest should not be given the chance of simply fleeing!  I believe the fraud he committed was is in some way a criminal act! Does anyone here have any further information or development about Wiest?

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #352 on: February 27, 2022, 03:48:46 AM »
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  • If anyone feels that the Holy Ghost might prompt them accordingly, Father Starbuck is in need of a Baptismal Font!  I found one on Ebay for his new chapel at St. Dominics!   Father has not directed me to do this, but I thought I might try and surprise Father by asking those here who believe in Father's devotion/cause of saying the TLM (pre-1962 Missal) to please contribute in buying this beautiful used traditional Baptismal Font on Ebay!

    As I said before, Father has many new expenses for St. Dominics and Father is struggling to keep up with the many ever-growing financial demands that he is trying to handle all by himself!  So, if you find it in your heart, continue to please generously help Father on Sundays as much as you can .  I will post a photo of the used Baptismal Font tomorrow.  It cost's $1,600 plus shipping and it is beautiful!

    Checks MUST be made out to:
    "Father Cedrik Starbuck"    NOT St. Dominic's Chapel.
    P.O.B. 427
    Tustin, CA 92781

    Let's all (with God's abundant grace on Father) make St. Dominic's Chapel a beautiful example and success for the world to see in which we will be awarded by God for our devotion to Father Starbuck, the TLM (pre-1962 Missal!) and Our Blessed Mother!

    God bless you all


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #353 on: February 27, 2022, 11:38:59 AM »
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  • I'm still troubled by the situation of the old nun who died, presumably of starvation, who had sought help from your chapel. Didn't Fr. Starbuck refuse to let her onto chapel property? I don't think that was ever really explained. Though maybe there's a reasonable explanation. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #354 on: February 27, 2022, 07:50:34 PM »
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  • I'm still troubled by the situation of the old nun who died, presumably of starvation, who had sought help from your chapel. Didn't Fr. Starbuck refuse to let her onto chapel property? I don't think that was ever really explained. Though maybe there's a reasonable explanation.
    I would like to know what happened to the nun's body. Was she decently buried? Is the body still lying unclaimed in the morgue?  Where did she die? 

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #355 on: February 28, 2022, 05:02:02 AM »
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  • I'm still troubled by the situation of the old nun who died, presumably of starvation, who had sought help from your chapel. Didn't Fr. Starbuck refuse to let her onto chapel property? I don't think that was ever really explained. Though maybe there's a reasonable explanation.
    Agreed.

    Fr. Starbuck DID refuse to let her onto chapel property and threatened to call the police on her.

    There is no reasonable explanation.

    Fr. Perez claims she was not a nun but Fr. Sretenovic witnessed her final vows.

    Fr. Perez, God rest his soul, was no Fr. Schell, God rest his soul.  Fr. Perez allowed questionable clerics to say mass and have access to the laity and children without vetting them, but came down on a little, old, sickly, carmelite nun who's vows were witnessed by Fr. Sretenovic. 

    She surely died a Carmelite death, God rest her soul.


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #356 on: February 28, 2022, 05:03:19 AM »
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  • I would like to know what happened to the nun's body. Was she decently buried? Is the body still lying unclaimed in the morgue?  Where did she die?
    Fr. Sretenovic buried her.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #357 on: February 28, 2022, 05:24:11 AM »
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  • Agreed.

    Fr. Starbuck DID refuse to let her onto chapel property and threatened to call the police on her.

    There is no reasonable explanation.

    Fr. Perez claims she was not a nun but Fr. Sretenovic witnessed her final vows.

    Fr. Perez, God rest his soul, was no Fr. Schell, God rest his soul.  Fr. Perez allowed questionable clerics to say mass and have access to the laity and children without vetting them, but came down on a little, old, sickly, carmelite nun who's vows were witnessed by Fr. Sretenovic. 

    She surely died a Carmelite death, God rest her soul.
    Colletti, Weist, and Croisette. 
    There may have been more.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #358 on: February 28, 2022, 12:44:04 PM »
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  • Two things

    Issue # One:

    1) Upon further visualization/research it appears that this particular baptismal font has some obvious inscription of it belonging in the past to a Luthern Church which might not be appropriate for St. Dominic's Chapel. 

    Issue # Two:

    RE: Postings from "Meg" & " dymphnaw's"

    Let me just say, these "troubled"scurrilous innuendo, defamatorY-ladened macabre suggestions that somehow and in some way... Father Starbuck was responsible for the "starvation" of sister AND that the "old nun's body [was] lying there [being]unclaimed" was also Father's Starbuck's fault is grossly inappropriate and is infuriating!

    Let me first say,

    I know absolutely nothing of the specifics and conditions of sister's death!

    You both obviously do not personally know Father and of his profound charity and his loving Christ-like loving concern for others.  I've personally witnessed this during his 15 years of profound priestly service and have seen hundreds of examples of loving service to OLHC faithful!

    To scurrilously suggest otherwise, is in my opinion a satanic, evil lie!  Were either one of you members of OLHC or did you personally know Father?

    Again, except for some vague rumors, which I can't remember the specifics of, I know nothing of the factual specifics s of sister's death or the conditions thereof.  One thing I do know is that sister suffered years from serious Diabetes.  I think her condition was always serious and her life was always untenable. I do know that Fr. Perez and Fr. Starbuck tried to provide for her loving comfort and friendship at OLHC for years! Which she had!  A place of refuge for her to be at home at and... most importantly - RECEIVE THE SACRAMENTS!


    "epiphany!"

    Do you or did you know Father Starbuck?  Were you or are you a member of OLHC? "THE BOARD?" If you were/are a member, did you ever try and help sister in any way?  I did!!




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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #359 on: February 28, 2022, 02:19:15 PM »
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  • Colletti, Weist, and Croisette. 
    There may have been more.
    The correct spelling is "Wiest".

    By the way, two questions: Is he still at OLHC...and if not, who are the priests currently saying Mass there? 

    If anyone on this forum is a parishioner there, perhaps they'd care to give us a quick summary of the state of the chapel. Thanks in advance.