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Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
« Reply #330 on: January 26, 2022, 09:39:55 PM »
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    Point well taken (regarding repetition) .  However, we're dealing with a grave injustice here!  My last post dealt with NEW rumors/news related to this issue that there is some sort of "Letter" available with the OLHC "School Board."  My valid NEW post/commentary is relevant & appropriate to the topic of this thread and these new rumors.  What is your detached "anonymous/we" pompous investment in this matter?  Rather than supercilious acting like the thread police and monitoring people's comments, what relevant & intelligent commentary have you contributed while posting here "anonymously?"

    The following commentary IS relevant to the matter at hand.  "Judging by the conscienceless, cruel, base, unjust, and what I believe evil behavior of "The School Board" and their un-Catholic, uncharitable treatment of Fr. Starbuck , I do not trust nor do I believe in some dubious "hand-written" note purportedly written by Father Perez!  All of a sudden, we're supposed to believe that there is suddenly this magical "proof" letter  and that Father Perez turned his back and betrayed Fr. Starbuck's 15 years service at OLHC. I don't believe that Fr. Perez would have done such an injustice to Father Starbuck.

    SO, I SAY -- PROVE IT BY SHOWING THE LETTER!!

    1)  By immediately publicly publishing the letter and fixing a hard copy to each OLHC bulletin for all the OLHC faithful to have in their possession!

    2) By hiring an impartial, unbiased, legally notarized handwriting expert!  He should be given access to this purportedly "hand-written letter" and compare it to other established past known hand written examples of Fr. Perez's handwriting!

    Like St. Thomas - I DON'T BELIEVE IT until I see it!  Judging by the school boards conscienceless, cruel & base behavior, why should I trust them? I believe they have broken "Trust" with the OLHC faithful!"

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #331 on: January 26, 2022, 11:08:27 PM »
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  • Father's Starbuck Revised Mass Schedule


    Due to a scheduling conflict, I am unable to have the 8:30 a.m. Mass on Saturday morning in my chapel. I am terribly sorry about this. However, I will have Mass on Friday morning, as scheduled, and I am able to offer a first Friday Mass (the following week) in the afternoon at 4:00 PM. The following is my schedule for the coming week. After this, things should hopefully start to get into a more solid pattern.
     
    January 28-30:
    Friday: 8:30 a.m.
    Saturday: No Mass
    Sunday:     7:30 &  9:30 a.m.
     
    First Week of February:
    Wednesday: 8:30 a.m., Candlemas
    Friday: 4:00 p.m., First Friday
    Saturday: 8:30 a.m., First Saturday
    Sunday: 7:30 &  9:30 a.m.





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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #332 on: January 27, 2022, 11:57:39 AM »
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  • To the anonymous "We"

    Point well taken (regarding repetition) .  However, we're dealing with a grave injustice here!  My last post dealt with NEW rumors/news related to this issue that there is some sort of "Letter" available with the OLHC "School Board."  My valid NEW post/commentary is relevant & appropriate to the topic of this thread and these new rumors.  What is your detached "anonymous/we" pompous investment in this matter?  Rather than supercilious acting like the thread police and monitoring people's comments, what relevant & intelligent commentary have you contributed while posting here "anonymously?"


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #333 on: January 27, 2022, 07:12:47 PM »
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  • Thank you to all who joined together in praying the 54-day Novena Rosary to Our Lady of the Rosary for the rot to be rooted out of the chapel and for protection and guidance for Father Starbuck.

    Today is day 27 of our prayers of petition, and tomorrow we continue our novena of Rosaries in thanksgiving to Our Lady and Our Lord.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #334 on: January 28, 2022, 02:21:08 PM »
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  • OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

    It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

    Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

    Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

    Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

    And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

    At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

    P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

    For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
    https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #335 on: January 28, 2022, 03:24:50 PM »
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  • OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

    It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

    Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

    Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

    Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

    And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

    At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

    P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

    For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
    https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
    So Wiest is not a Catholic priest.
    get him out of there  people....

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #336 on: January 28, 2022, 06:46:28 PM »
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  • Yeah, right.  He can't find his license!

    Should be "Red Flag"the  suspicious behavior that the meeting was abruptly ended with the turning out the lights and told the meeting is over obviously some people had questions?  Also wasn't it suspicious that was there was only 6 hours notice of a upcoming meeting at 7:00 p.m. of such a very serious matter involving ALL THE FAITHFUL OF OLHC?

    IF we indeed find out that this man is not a priest, shouldn't those of us who trusted in the leadership of OLHC ("The Board) be angry, outraged and horrified to think that we the faithful were unknowingly suckered into this lie? 

    What about those of us who went to confession to this individual and to think of the  possibility that this individual might not be a priest?


    Shouldn't there be some serious consequences paid by  the ("School Board") and this "Fr." Michael Wiest?  To think that we went to confession to him and it was all a lie!  What about being suckered into believing he was a priest and actually we did not receive the Body and Blood of Christ  (IF TRUE) because he is not a validly ordained priest!  Isn't this in some way criminal and at least grounds for a class action suit from the faithful of OLHC against ("The Board") and Wiest?  Any lawyers here??

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #337 on: January 30, 2022, 08:37:45 PM »
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  • Father Perez’s death was totally unexpected, and at the time of the writing of this purported letter he would not know if his sister would pre-decease him or not. It makes no sense whatsoever that he would supposedly give only one copy to one person.

    If any such letter actually existed, Father Perez would have given a copy to Father Starbuck and  several key members of the parish, but not to the four school board members because that would appear to be an obvious conflict of interest. (Look we found this letter which gives us total control!)

    The following have yet to be verified:
    Whether this purported "letter" actually exists or not,
    whether this purported "letter" was actually written by Father Perez or not,
    whether this purported "letter" was ever in the hands of Father Perez's sister or not.
    Given the earlier versions of the school board’s stories, strong reasons exist to doubt their veracity.

    Cogent arguments, Cera! Thank you.

    The "School Board" should be asked to make a copies of this "handwritten letter" and attach it to every OLHC Sunday bulletin to be handed out after Mass to ALL the faithful at the chapel!

    THE only way to really find out if this "letter" was actually written by Fr. Perez is to have a forensic handwriting expert analyze it and compare it to ANY previous handwritten examples from Fr. Perez that have nothing to do with "The Board."  Judging by their ongoing and past behavior, there are indeed "strong reasons [that] exist to doubt their veracity."

    If "The Board" has indeed nothing to hide, then they should prove that they indeed... have NOTHING TO HIDE!

    BTW, it is a "red flag" (IF TRUE) that "The Board" had refused to take questions after the meeting (WHY?). This after the lights were turned out, and the faithful were abruptly told that the meeting had ended!!  If anyone who is reading this and was present at the meeting, please verify that this indeed was what happened?



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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #338 on: January 30, 2022, 09:32:05 PM »
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  • Grace-filled beautiful blessings from God to  Fr. Starbuck today!  A magnificent successful day at Fr. Starbuck's St, Dominic's Chapel.  There were 50 souls at the 7:30 Mass and 65 souls at the 9:30 a.m. Mass.  Almost standing room only!  Father was so pleased.

    In addition, today was the first day of the live "feed" on UTube of the Mass entitled "St. Dominic's Chapel (Fr. Cedrik Starbuck). It can be seen anytime now.  As of now, there are 307 views today! A wonderfully successful day for God's servant Fr. Starbuck!

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #339 on: February 02, 2022, 08:33:19 PM »
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  • are you sure it was Daniel Croisette who was in a suit and tie at Fr Starbuck's mass?
    Given that his recent “Masses” can be viewed on 10 Year Old Girl Productions’ YouTube channel, I don’t see how that would be possible.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #340 on: February 02, 2022, 10:46:46 PM »
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  • So Wiest is not a Catholic priest.
    get him out of there  people....
    So he's not a Catholic priest, he is in a cult, and he is mentally ill because he is not only pretending to be a priest, but lying about this, that, and the other thing, and refuses to provide proper ID because he obviously is hiding one or more things? (And may also be a pedo TBD). YIKES.

    "Mars?" LOL.

    And people here on the forums have told me that I need new Priests? BWAHAHA, LOL. RTFL.

    (Psst...one of my Priests can directly trace his ordination to Pope Saint Pius X--He's a wonderful Priest! We were blessed to be able to get to a beautiful High Mass today for the Feast of the Presentation of Our Lady, with the choir and church procession, blessing of the candles, all of it--One of my favourite feast days--the end of Christmas, and time to take down the Nativity scenes tomorrow--about all the energy I have at the moment, but at least the snow held off long enough to get there and get home--Thanks, God--We said our Rosary on the way home, and I included all those people that couldn't get to Mass today).

    Anyway, this Wiest guy is committing fraud and/or impersonation of a religious figure at least.

    Someone needs to contact the SSPX US headquarters in KC  AT ONCE and *inform them* that this man is a priest, and is sharing the same altar as Father Alphonsus. Go right to the top, and see what they do about it, even though it's not an SSPX Chapel, SSPX Priests have said Mass there.

    If the incompetent "board" at OLHC won't get rid of this man, then put pressure on someone else to do it. BUT just make sure he doesn't run off with all the money/bank information/land/etc. first!

    Hire a private investigator to keep tabs on him 24/7, and hire a lawyer to sue him, the school board, etc. There is a crime if you write a bad cheque and well, there's a crime if you commit fraud in other ways, too.

    Pull your kids out of the school, and DON'T GIVE ONE DIME for tuition or collections, or anything else. Hit them in the wallet.

    *****And if you "went to Mass and/or confession to this Weist?" GO FIND A GOOD PRIEST, tell him what happened, and make arrangements for a GENERAL CONFESSION!!*****

    Talk to Father Alphonsus or go up to Los Gatos, SSPX Retreat Centre if need be. A general confession will not only cleanse the soul, but bring peace of mind in more ways than one. They are not hard to do, but the Priest needs the courtesy of time for them--don't just spring it on him.

    God bless, Anne
    P.S. Docuмent EVERYTHING and provide valid proof, otherwise, all you have is nothing. You need evidence to hold up in a court if you want to sue this person or anyone else. 
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #341 on: February 03, 2022, 07:28:49 PM »
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  • So he's not a Catholic priest, he is in a cult, and he is mentally ill because he is not only pretending to be a priest, but lying about this, that, and the other thing, and refuses to provide proper ID because he obviously is hiding one or more things? (And may also be a pedo TBD). YIKES.

    "Mars?" LOL.

    And people here on the forums have told me that I need new Priests? BWAHAHA, LOL. RTFL.

    (Psst...one of my Priests can directly trace his ordination to Pope Saint Pius X--He's a wonderful Priest! We were blessed to be able to get to a beautiful High Mass today for the Feast of the Presentation of Our Lady, with the choir and church procession, blessing of the candles, all of it--One of my favourite feast days--the end of Christmas, and time to take down the Nativity scenes tomorrow--about all the energy I have at the moment, but at least the snow held off long enough to get there and get home--Thanks, God--We said our Rosary on the way home, and I included all those people that couldn't get to Mass today).

    Anyway, this Wiest guy is committing fraud and/or impersonation of a religious figure at least.

    Someone needs to contact the SSPX US headquarters in KC  AT ONCE and *inform them* that this man is a priest, and is sharing the same altar as Father Alphonsus. Go right to the top, and see what they do about it, even though it's not an SSPX Chapel, SSPX Priests have said Mass there.

    If the incompetent "board" at OLHC won't get rid of this man, then put pressure on someone else to do it. BUT just make sure he doesn't run off with all the money/bank information/land/etc. first!

    Hire a private investigator to keep tabs on him 24/7, and hire a lawyer to sue him, the school board, etc. There is a crime if you write a bad cheque and well, there's a crime if you commit fraud in other ways, too.

    Pull your kids out of the school, and DON'T GIVE ONE DIME for tuition or collections, or anything else. Hit them in the wallet.

    *****And if you "went to Mass and/or confession to this Weist?" GO FIND A GOOD PRIEST, tell him what happened, and make arrangements for a GENERAL CONFESSION!!*****

    Talk to Father Alphonsus or go up to Los Gatos, SSPX Retreat Centre if need be. A general confession will not only cleanse the soul, but bring peace of mind in more ways than one. They are not hard to do, but the Priest needs the courtesy of time for them--don't just spring it on him.

    God bless, Anne
    P.S. Docuмent EVERYTHING and provide valid proof, otherwise, all you have is nothing. You need evidence to hold up in a court if you want to sue this person or anyone 
    VERY good suggestion.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #342 on: February 03, 2022, 08:28:07 PM »
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  • I took the advice of the good and holy people on these threads and obtained my Sherlock Holmes On-Line Private Eye Detective Diploma and did a whole bunch of cool research. I have it on good evidence that the "BOARD" was on the Grassy Knoll in Dallas on November 22nd, 1963. Also, it is only on circuмstantial evidence, but still strong evidence from a bunch of old women who have too much time on their hands and love to gossip about things that they made up, know nothing about or just plain love to calumniate, that the "BOARD'S" "MONEY-GRUBBING" and "POWER-GRABBING" or was that "MONEY-GRABBING" and "POWER-GRUBBING?" (I forget) resulted in the 2008 Subprime Mortgage Crisis. It is also possible that "WEIRDNESS OF WIEST" led to various tsunamis around the world and, quite possibly, a heat wave in Greenland.

    I wonder when it is all said and done the people that wrote so much about what they don't know about will apologize and rush to the confessional and try to amend for the evil they have done. Reading this group, probably not.

    However, one thing is for sure, it has been good for a laugh or two except for the people that they have harmed.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #343 on: February 03, 2022, 08:48:07 PM »
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  • Also, it is only on circuмstantial evidence, but still strong evidence from a bunch of old women who have too much time on their hands and love to gossip about things that they made up, know nothing about or just plain love to calumniate, that the "BOARD'S" "MONEY-GRUBBING" and "POWER-GRABBING" or was that "MONEY-GRABBING" and "POWER-GRUBBING?"
    I wonder when it is all said and done the people that wrote so much about what they don't know about will apologize and rush to the confessional and try to amend for the evil they have done. Reading this group, probably not.

    [. . .]

    However, one thing is for sure, it has been good for a laugh or two except for the people that they have harmed.


    I agree that individuals should not be eager to throw dirt on the good name of others, lest they sin by calumny or detraction.

    Nevertheless, I think it's highly probable that Wiest's orders through Rematt are invalid, and that he is actually a layman.

    Consequently, there is a real possibility that those who confessed their sins to him actually need to confess those sins, again, to a real priest in order to receive absolution, and also probable that parishioners were actually not participating at Mass, but only at an event they thought was Mass.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #344 on: February 05, 2022, 01:04:08 PM »
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  • I agree that individuals should not be eager to throw dirt on the good name of others, lest they sin by calumny or detraction.

    Nevertheless, I think it's highly probable that Wiest's orders through Rematt are invalid, and that he is actually a layman.

    Consequently, there is a real possibility that those who confessed their sins to him actually need to confess those sins, again, to a real priest in order to receive absolution, and also probable that parishioners were actually not participating at Mass, but only at an event they thought was Mass.
    What makes it worse is that this is the second time we've been in this predicament. The admitted child-molester Colletti had been laicized and in order to receive his pension, and he had agreed to never present himself as a Catholic priest and to never say a public Mass. So for a year he heard our confessions and said Mass. And when the truth finally came out, the only priest who spoke the truth was Father Starbuck. Our other priest covered up for Colletti by saying "He was called back to his diocese." So if you went to one Mass you heard the truth; if you went to another Mass you were deceived. This explains why some people continue to support Colletti.

    Fool me once, shame on you.
    Fool me twice, shame on me.
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