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Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2021, 04:57:28 PM »
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  • I dont know what the details were in terms of finding a new pastor..
    however I know the letter is real, because FR. Starbuck saw it, and due to that instructed the keys to the website be handed over to the board..
    it wasnt stolen in order to silence him..


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #31 on: December 20, 2021, 05:09:13 PM »
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  • I dont know what the details were in terms of finding a new pastor..
    however I know the letter is real, because FR. Starbuck saw it, and due to that instructed the keys to the website be handed over to the board..
    it wasnt stolen in order to silence him..
    What you say conflicts with what Father Starbuck said in his sermon Sunday (which is posted in the OP of this thread.)
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #32 on: December 20, 2021, 05:11:01 PM »
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  • thats whats so troubling for me about the sermon.. its leaves this out.. but I know first hand this is the truth..

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #33 on: December 20, 2021, 06:06:06 PM »
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  • he admits in a round about way here that the board has the legal authority to appoint the next pastor.. and thats because MSGR. left the NPO OLHC to them.. and instructed them to not make FR Starbuck the pastor.

    "That they may have a legal right is not the same as having a divine right. "

    If MSGR would have given the NPO to FR. Starbuck he would be the pastor.. but it was not his wish..

    I find it odd and a bit bewildering that the board is being called Lutherens for following the dying wishes of their Long time Pastor Msgr Perez.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #34 on: December 20, 2021, 06:26:56 PM »
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  • I see that you (Catholic25) just registered today and this is your very first post. Interesting. Are you an interested insider? An interested outsider? Or perhaps a member of the school board on a fishing expedition?
    Don't mean to derail this thread, but as Catholic25 only has one post with one down thumb, where did he get a reputation of TEN thumbs up?
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #35 on: December 20, 2021, 06:39:26 PM »
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  • Incred, I didn't mean you as what you said is true.
    No problem!
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #36 on: December 20, 2021, 06:55:33 PM »
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  • Cera posted about me:  "I see that you just registered today and this is your very first post. Interesting. Are you an interested insider? An interested outsider? Or perhaps a member of the school board on a fishing expedition?"

    Given that the nature of my comments were "factual" questions and not naked allegations (BTW - in situations like this, I don't ask questions such as the ones I posted unless I know - as a matter of fact - the answers), and the nature of your posts are accusatory, the better question is "who are you and what is your agenda"?  I know the answers to all of the questions I raised.  If anyone wants to do a little internet research, they can also find out some "truth" about OLHC and the property.  If they want to do a little more research, they can find out the truth about the Arcadia situation.  I also know the "true" answer to many of the naked, unsubstantiated allegations you have foisted on this thread.  And no, I did not just register today.  If you click on my "name" and read my profile, you will see that I registered in 2016.   Apparently, my thumbs down is from someone on this thread that doesn't agree with me or the questions I raised.  Perhaps the 10 thumbs up are from posts several years ago when I did participate in this site.  However, I tired of this as a royal waste of time, I am not in the habit of gossiping, and don't find these boards particularly worthy of any serious attention.  General lack of accurate information.  I don't need message boards like these to spew inane thoughts anonymously to an audience trying to convince the "court of public opinion" that things should be viewed my way.  But I also detest misinformation.

    Obviously, the sermon you printed speaks for itself.  It doesn't mean that it is 100% accurate.  In fact, it contains a bit of opinion.  It's certainly short on doctrine or catechesis.

    And no, I am not on the board of PPA or OLHC. 

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #37 on: December 20, 2021, 07:47:10 PM »
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  • I am new to the forum. Although not a parishioner at OLHC, I have attended Mass there several times and knew the late Fr. Perez. God rest his soul. I understand the dire situation in the Church right now and sympathize with the efforts of independent priests to protect their flock from the ravages of Modernism. The things that concern me here are the questions surrounding Fr. Wiest's ordination and his entire history as a priest. There are two other threads here that have discussed this in detail. This topic is not gossip per se. The public history of a priest is a topic that anyone can legitimately inquire about. The where, when, and who of a priest's ordination is public knowledge and in this particular case, from what I've seen, there is little or nothing that is available. 

    Fr. Starbuck discussed this in his sermon printed above. I'm not trying to "pile on" anyone here. Fr. Wiest is recovering from a horrible case of Covid, and prayers are appropriate for his continued healing. There is, however, a growing controversy over the particulars of his priestly history and the need is real for an explanation. There have been men throughout the ages who have pretended to be priests, it's not unheard of. You're either validly ordained, or you're not. If there are so many questions here, they need to be answered. Everything should be "above board" when it comes to the background of a priest. 



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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #38 on: December 20, 2021, 07:51:13 PM »
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  • I am new to the forum. Although not a parishioner at OLHC, I have attended Mass there several times and knew the late Fr. Perez. God rest his soul. I understand the dire situation in the Church right now and sympathize with the efforts of independent priests to protect their flock from the ravages of Modernism. The things that concern me here are the questions surrounding Fr. Wiest's ordination and his entire history as a priest. There are two other threads here that have discussed this in detail. This topic is not gossip per se. The public history of a priest is a topic that anyone can legitimately inquire about. The where, when, and who of a priest's ordination is public knowledge and in this particular case, from what I've seen, there is little or nothing that is available.

    Fr. Starbuck discussed this in his sermon printed above. I'm not trying to "pile on" anyone here. Fr. Wiest is recovering from a horrible case of Covid, and prayers are appropriate for his continued healing. There is, however, a growing controversy over the particulars of his priestly history and the need is real for an explanation. There have been men throughout the ages who have pretended to be priests, it's not unheard of. You're either validly ordained, or you're not. If there are so many questions here, they need to be answered. Everything should be "above board" when it comes to the background of a priest.
    first off I'd just like to say : I feel for Fr. Starbucks position, and think he should have been left as the pastor as well, 15 years is along time, and I cant imagine how much it hurt to be passed over for this position.. I dont know why Msgr decided against this, but I know Fr. Starbuck asked Msgr to be appointed as the head in case of his death or incapacitation a few times while he was alive, and Msgr refused to do it then, and this aligns with the letter.

    And

    I agree with this aspect of Fr. Starbucks sermon along with doing backround checks on all Priests invited to help serve the chapel. I was referring mainly to the contention that the board is protestant usurpers... Perhaps I should have included my agreement with this aspect.. but it seemed like a side point to the main post.


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #39 on: December 20, 2021, 09:01:01 PM »
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  • The things that concern me here are the questions surrounding Fr. Wiest's ordination and his entire history as a priest. There are two other threads here that have discussed this in detail. This topic is not gossip per se. The public history of a priest is a topic that anyone can legitimately inquire about. The where, when, and who of a priest's ordination is public knowledge and in this particular case, from what I've seen, there is little or nothing that is available.
    I agree and the unknowns of Fr. Wiest along with the questions already covered in other threads are the reason I have not gone back to OLHC, except for Fr. Perez's Requiem mass said by Fr. Starbuck.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #40 on: December 21, 2021, 01:36:44 AM »
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  • I've been coming to this Chapel for many years, and have given much in financial support. And I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that this is all about money. Many top contributors have left, therefore, a financial gap has formed. The Chapel has grown very much, ever since Covid, but these new parishioners give very little, when compared to the ones that have left.

    I left for many reasons, but the straw that broke the camels back, was Fr. Perez's death. I asked myself many questions, and this warning given by Fr. Starbuck only solidified my conclusion.

    Fr. Perez not only died of Covid, but also of sadness. He was not a Monsignor, but was in fact cheated, out of a sum of money, for this title, by a fake Bishop. And he had a really hard time admitting this, especially to himself.

    Another thing that gave him grief, was this whole Fr. Wiest scandal. Fr. Wiest claims to have met with Fr. Perez in Italy, but when asked about this, Fr. Perez said, he could not remember. Well this is when some of the top contributors started to leave or withhold their support. And around this time is when the Chapel started to ask for more money.

    See, before Fr. Wiest, there was Fr. Colletti, which ended up burning not only OLHC but Fr. Perez as well. This situation was very embarrassing for the Chapel, due to the fact that the Bishop of Orange, Van, sent a warning letter to one of the parishioners about Colletti, from there word spread throughout the Chapel, but not from Fr. Perez nor OLHC. So what did they do, they lied, and said, that he got called back to the Diocese of Chicago. At the time I reasoned it away by telling myself everyone makes mistakes, as did many families. Still, some families left, and obviously others never forgot. But looking back, that was a very poor decision, not only on OLHC, but Fr. Perez as a Pastor.

    Next, Fr. Sretenovic. This Priest was at OLHC for many years. And one day to the next gone. What were the parishioners told, first, that he went on vacation, and next, that he left for another mission. Well all that was a lie. He had a falling out with Fr. Perez & left, and that was the truth. And I thought to myself, people have disagreements and venture off on their own all the time, but why lie about it? Again I reasoned it away.

    Their was also the fact that Fr. Perez said, that the SSPX was in error, but at the same time, he would send his catechumens for conformation to their Bishops. He also claimed other stuff that was just not true, and all for the sake of not losing anymore contributors to other Latin Masses said in the area, SSPX, S. John Baptist, Our Lady by the Sea, etc. 

    Finally, the death of Fr. Perez. Why did God take Fr. Perez, the way that he did? It's obvious, a chastisement. Fr. Perez was preaching from the pulpit that Covid was no big deal, and that horse dewormer & large doses of ibuprofen could cure you. Mind you weeks before his death, and a few months after a few parishioners died from Covid. I saw God's hand in that.

    Fr. Perez's mission was complete, he showed the authentic Catholic faith to whom he needed to show it to. But as a Pastor, put in charge of a flock, to protect it, he failed; albeit he was guiding it to the right direction.

    So, it's plain to see, that Fr. Starbuck is in fact Ordained by God to lead OLHC. I would say that he is insipid, but Saint Paul says: to put up with it a bit, and to be patient, for it behooves you. Fr. Starbuck is in the right, and he has 100% my support.

    If this Chapel is to survive, then a new group of Elders, needs to be elected by the men of the congregation, who have no ties to the school. They must be kept separate.

    This current “board”, who are they? What are their motivations? Who is the secretary? Who is the treasurer? How much money came into the Chapel? Who knows? All I've been told these past few years was that the original Priest, Fr Schell, gave the land to some families he trusted. And I never questioned it, up until now.

    And to the people saying, Fr. Perez's dying wish was, that Fr. Starbuck never be made the Pastor, as Saint Paul saith, they are full of shit. Even if he did say it, no Pope, nor Bishop, even less a Priest, can order a certain person, not to become  Pope, or Bishop, or Priest. Never been heard of it.


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #41 on: December 21, 2021, 01:55:30 AM »
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  • I share some of these concerns ernie.

    but it seems youre not aware of what the board is or how the board actually functions.

    The school board IS the chapel board, they never were separate. why would they be now?

    The letter is real. Fr. Starbuck acknowledged it himself..

    for whatever reason Msgr. didnt think Fr. Starbuck was right for the position.
    as much as some of us may not agree with it. thats the reality.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #42 on: December 21, 2021, 07:45:25 AM »
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  • Why did God take Fr. Perez, the way that he did? It's obvious, a chastisement. Fr. Perez was preaching from the pulpit that Covid was no big deal, and that horse dewormer & large doses of ibuprofen could cure you. Mind you weeks before his death, and a few months after a few parishioners died from Covid. I saw God's hand in that.

    Turn off CNN. "horse dewormer" or rather Ivermectin is a proven remedy against whatever "COVID" is.

    I suppose you took the clot shot, the Fauci ouchie, and wear a mask as well?


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #43 on: December 21, 2021, 10:41:01 AM »
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  • Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine have been proven to be effective if given early on after symptoms develop, but not so much if the patient goes downhill. Vitamin D, Zinc, and other drugs may help too in preventing serious symptoms. The trouble is, most doctors will not prescribe these therapeutics.

    Dr. Peter McCullough has said there is a concerted effort by the medical establishment and governments worldwide to suppress the use of therapeutics in favor of a dogmatic insistence on universal 'vaccines'. There's something sinister afoot with this relentless push for experimental vaccines, which are really gene treatments using mRNA to generate untold numbers of spike proteins in our bodies. And now thousands of "fully vaccinated" people are coming down with the virus. So, more boosters are needed! And the beat goes on, and on, and on...

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #44 on: December 21, 2021, 11:14:28 AM »
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  • Fr. Starbuck is in the right, and he has 100% my support.

    . . . And to the people saying, Fr. Perez's dying wish was, that Fr. Starbuck never be made the Pastor, as Saint Paul saith, they are full of shit. Even if he did say it, no Pope, nor Bishop, even less a Priest, can order a certain person, not to become  Pope, or Bishop, or Priest. Never been heard of it.
    Thank you Ernie for a truthful post. Several of those weighing in on this issue are brand new posters on CathInfo who sound like they are school board members.

    If they are not school board members (or a certain spouse of a school board member) it's odd that they continue to repeat the lying narrative of the school board (posted on the hijacked OLHC website and re-posted on this thread) about a so-called letter which gives them authority to get rid of our good priest and faithful servant of 15 years, Father Starbuck.

    Those of us who are ordinary chapel members and not part of the school board's grab for money and power are certain Father Perez would have wanted and expected Father Starbuck to take over for him. Since Father Starbuck is older, Father Perez would have no reason to expect to die first and therefore did not put into writing his expectation that Father Starbuck would take over.

    Let us all pray for the truth to come out and their plans against Father Starbuck to fail.
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