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Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
« Reply #240 on: January 10, 2022, 07:49:47 AM »
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  • Liers!!  The OLHC website said "“Father had obviously decided to go his own way,” What!! Dispicable Liers!!  The regular usher at the 7:30 a.m. Mass on Sundays was JOEL IDDINGS.  He is the one who called Father Starbuck before Christmas and told Father he was not to say any further Masses Christmas weekend.  He further threatened Father that if Father showed up on OLHC grounds he would personally see to it that Father be arrested for trespassing!!!
    Same thing happened to Sister A, but it was Fr. Starbuck who told her not to come back or she would be arrested for trespassing.

    Regardless, I pray for Fr. Starbuck and am grateful God has blessed him with perseverance in his vocation and diligence to the Faithful.  Fr. Starbuck has been good to my family.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #241 on: January 10, 2022, 09:53:50 AM »
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  • Is this unusual?
    EVERY time I have asked an SSPX priest to hear my confession when it is not "confession time"  I have been refused.  Didn't matter which priest.  They all refused.  Same thing about blessing articles.  If they're not "on the table" so the priest can do many items at one time at his leisure, you're out of luck.

    It seems to me that Fr. Starbuck, doing the work of 3 priests when Fr. Perez had just died, was blessed by God with fortitude and perseverance for the faithful.  It seems he was blessed with humility, too.
    You need to get to confession on time. 


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #242 on: January 10, 2022, 10:24:56 AM »
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  • I see that the beat goes on and the cowards that write this nonsense will still not show their names or just name. They like to mention names of OLHC but their own names, why not?

    I remember the Monsignor doing the work of 3 priests for many a year. I remember Fr. Sretenovic doing much work at OLHC including the St. Philomena devotions and the various other masses outside the normal schedule. I remember Fr. Starbuck doing a 6:15 am Sunday mass for a short time and also being going for a long time on medical issues. However, Fr. Starbuck stating or his allies stating that he did the work of 3 priests after the Monsignor died is utter and complete nonsense. He shut down the chapel, he did not have any sacraments to do or give. Mass was not started up until 2-3 weeks after the Monsignor died. I will gladly admit that when it did start up Fr. Starbuck started showing up at 6:30 like the other priests had (for the 7:30 Mass) for confessions which was a nice surprise and gave us time to go to confession.

    I was there at the 7:30 Mass on December 19 and to state he did not criticize any priest is an outright lie as he mentioned Fr. Wiest by name and said he had a private investigator check him out. I wonder where the funds came to be had to have a private investigator look into Fr. Wiest. As over the 15 years of Fr. Starbuck's residency he was the only priest that ever talked about money as in not having any health insurance or regarding car repairs or something else. Fr. Starbuck directly mentioned Fr. Wiest by name and, unless, he wants to play philosophical word games and say Fr. Wiest is not a priest and, thereby, he did not speak of any priest, then he did speak of Fr. Wiest.

    I would appeal to Father Starbuck to remember he is a priest and stop these one-sided verbal "ventings" that he and his followers are conducting. One day you will regret the things you have said and the blackening of good peoples' names. Again, by your fruits you will know them. If the demons have entered OLHC like some of the more disturbed writers stated then OLHC will collapse and if the Holy Ghost is with St. Dominic's Chapel then it will thrive. It is as simple as that and the continual ravings will do nothing but diminish your work. Have you noticed that I appear to be the only one from the OLHC parish that responds to the ravings? The majority of the people there are much more charitable than I am.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #243 on: January 10, 2022, 11:02:55 AM »
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  • cera - as powerful as the rosary is, that place still needs an exorcism.  It's that bad.
    100% agree.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #244 on: January 10, 2022, 02:26:06 PM »
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  • So, Michael Yoder, you think that Wiest is a real priest?  How do you know this?
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #245 on: January 10, 2022, 03:32:58 PM »
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  • The thread on Fr. Wiest and the Buddha altar went up on CI months ago. I think a background on just about anyone could be conducted fairly easily with the proper authorities, and then the information released to the public. This should only take a few days, why is this taking so long? Either Wiest is a priest, or he is not. This question should already be answered by now. 

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #246 on: January 10, 2022, 04:36:48 PM »
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  • The thread on Fr. Wiest and the Buddha altar went up on CI months ago. I think a background on just about anyone could be conducted fairly easily with the proper authorities, and then the information released to the public. This should only take a few days, why is this taking so long? Either Wiest is a priest, or he is not. This question should already be answered by now.
    To answer your question, it was difficult to do a background check because Wiest (although he wanted to work alone with altar boys and by CA state law was required to have a background check) repeatedly refused to show his drivers’ license and also repeatedly refused to show his ordination papers.

    For unknown reasons, the school board has continually assisted his stonewalling. When Father Perez directed Father Starbuck to follow up with the school board on the background check, all hell broke lose. The venom of three of the four school board members was directed at Father Starbuck for carrying out the request of Father Perez.

    It does not make any sense at all unless something evil is involved.

    Eventually a background check was done (this was mentioned by Father Starbuck in his recent response to the school board’s latest attack on him). As Father Starbuck pointed out, the investigation revealed that no such person as Father Michael Wiest has ever existed.

    However a photo of the person who calls himself Father Michael Wiest was published in a newspaper (available here on Cath Info) presenting himself as a layman who owned an antique store. The news item showed his photo, a photo of an antique Buddha, an antique Chinese table and an antique Chinese screen. These were similar to, but not the exact Buddah, antique Chinese table and antique Chinese screen in the photo of his Buddhist altar.

    It is clear that it is an altar for pagan worship due to the items that typically are on such an altar, the white candles, the fresh flower and the antique mirror for communicating with the dead. These items put to be the lie that his Buddha was a ”family heirloom” or “museum piece”.

    You say
    Either Wiest is a priest, or he is not.

    The possibilities include:
    1. He is not a priest, which explains all the problems above. But this option fails to explain how well he knows his way around the altar.

    2. He is a priest, but he was ordained under another name which he wants to keep hidden.
    Under this option is the possibility that he is Bishop Fulham who supposedly died in November 18, 2017 or November 19, 2017. He looks like Fulham (photos of Fulham are on CathInfo) and this explains why he knows he way so well around the altar. At the time he “died” Fulham was dealing with scandal of being known to have married a nun and fathered children with her. He had also been criticized for harboring known pederast Father Marshall Roberts.

    For more info on pederast Marshall Robers and the SSJ see this link:  https://www.theinquiry.ca/wordpress/rc-scandal/other-countries/u-s-a/background-article-on-the-society-of-st-john/
    Father Marshall Roberts, a founder of the suppressed and scandal-ridden Society of St. John (formerly under the jurisdiction of the Diocese of Scranton, Pa.) is currently the chaplain of St. Michael the Archangel Roman Catholic Church in Jacksonville, Fla.


    St. Michael the Archangel Roman Catholic Church was an independent chapel owned operated by “Bishop” Fulham.

    Also of the interest is a group called “Friends of St. Michael the Archangel Chapel” which did not cash out their large amount of funds until December 2020. This is odd because that’s almost three years after the purported “death” of “Bishop” Fulham, who owned the chapel.

    Working from the news item on Mr. Wiest’s antique store, if you do a reverse phone look-up of the Mr, Wiest’s phone number which is given in the news article, you will find that Mr. Wiest came into a large amount of money at some time prior to January of 2021, when he bought properties in Hawaii, Arizona, Illinois and Michigan.

    January 2021 is also when Mr. Wiest first arrived at OLHC. When he had been at the chapel only 3 weeks, he began spreading lies about Father Starbuck and was telling chapel members “We need to get rid of Father Starbuck.” That’s when some of us asked WTF???

    Again, none of this makes any sense unless something evil is involved.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #247 on: January 10, 2022, 05:35:08 PM »
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  • Hey! Yoder!  "Tough Guy"  a.k.a. Benedict Arnold, Betrayer, Not "Always Faithful"

    I'm so angry with your cunning misrepresentations innuendos and YOUR outright lies!  Despite your self-righteous indignation and judgemental posturing the faithful have a right, when they see injustice done to a Holy Priest, to appropriately express their thoughts & feelings!  Your attempted suppression and shutting down of individuals feelings & opinions (by calling people names) is not what a self-proclaimed upright Catholic man should be doing!  Don't you think?

    You wrote:   "He [Father Starbuck] shut down the chapel, he did not have any sacraments to do or give. Mass was not started up until 2-3 weeks after the Monsignor died."

    Your deliberate choice of innuendo laced words describing Father as "shut[ing] down"and "he did not have any sacraments to do or give"  implies an irresponsible shirking of duty by Father.  Despite your attack here on Father's faithfulness to his  OLHC You know better!  The truth was there was a number Covid infections of people (like Father Perez and "Fr. Weist (who were both hospitalized), the alter boy and others, Father not knowing how pervasive the threat was in the chapel, took the most prudent of precautions to keep the rest of the faithful safe by asking we delay services until we got a grip of what happening at OLHC.  Of course, you knew that this was the real reason didn't you?

    You've also stated that you have been at OLHC since 2006!  Therefore, all these 15 years you have received from  Father Starbuck the Most Holy Body and Blood Of Our Lord and Savior Jesus from his most holy consecrated hands, didn't you?  You sat and received all the graces from Father Starbuck's sermons and sacraments.  You probably also received from Father in confession the forgiveness of your sins, didn't you?  And NOW, you betray Father with your attacks on him and that makes YOU indeed the reprehensible "Coward" for not protecting the priest who gave you the "Living Bread" of our Lord for 15 years!  Shame on you "tough guy."  Because Father served YOU for 15 years you should have been "always faithful" to Father (your priest for 15 years).  Now, sadly, you've failed in that regard!

    Despite what appears to be your devotion, Our Lord and His Blessed Mother sees your hostility to the Truth and your intimidating efforts to shut down free-speech on this thread regarding the questionable status/legitimacy of this Usurper! That will not happen "Tough guy!"


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #248 on: January 10, 2022, 07:35:24 PM »
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  • To answer your question, it was difficult to do a background check because Wiest (although he wanted to work alone with altar boys and by CA state law was required to have a background check) repeatedly refused to show his drivers’ license and also repeatedly refused to show his ordination papers.

    For unknown reasons, the school board has continually assisted his stonewalling. When Father Perez directed Father Starbuck to follow up with the school board on the background check, all hell broke lose. The venom of three of the four school board members was directed at Father Starbuck for carrying out the request of Father Perez.

    It does not make any sense at all unless something evil is involved.

    Eventually a background check was done
    (this was mentioned by Father Starbuck in his recent response to the school board’s latest attack on him). As Father Starbuck pointed out, the investigation revealed that no such person as Father Michael Wiest has ever existed.

    However a photo of the person who calls himself Father Michael Wiest was published in a newspaper (available here on Cath Info) presenting himself as a layman who owned an antique store. The news item showed his photo, a photo of an antique Buddha, an antique Chinese table and an antique Chinese screen. These were similar to, but not the exact Buddah, antique Chinese table and antique Chinese screen in the photo of his Buddhist altar.

    It is clear that it is an altar for pagan worship due to the items that typically are on such an altar, the white candles, the fresh flower and the antique mirror for communicating with the dead. These items put to be the lie that his Buddha was a ”family heirloom” or “museum piece”.

    You say
    Either Wiest is a priest, or he is not.

    The possibilities include:
    1. He is not a priest, which explains all the problems above. But this option fails to explain how well he knows his way around the altar.

    2. He is a priest, but he was ordained under another name which he wants to keep hidden.
    Under this option is the possibility that he is Bishop Fulham who supposedly died in November 18, 2017 or November 19, 2017. He looks like Fulham (photos of Fulham are on CathInfo) and this explains why he knows he way so well around the altar. At the time he “died” Fulham was dealing with scandal of being known to have married a nun and fathered children with her. He had also been criticized for harboring known pederast Father Marshall Roberts.

    For more info on pederast Marshall Robers and the SSJ see this link:  https://www.theinquiry.ca/wordpress/rc-scandal/other-countries/u-s-a/background-article-on-the-society-of-st-john/
    Father Marshall Roberts, a founder of the suppressed and scandal-ridden Society of St. John (formerly under the jurisdiction of the Diocese of Scranton, Pa.) is currently the chaplain of St. Michael the Archangel Roman Catholic Church in Jacksonville, Fla.


    St. Michael the Archangel Roman Catholic Church was an independent chapel owned operated by “Bishop” Fulham.

    Also of the interest is a group called “Friends of St. Michael the Archangel Chapel” which did not cash out their large amount of funds until December 2020. This is odd because that’s almost three years after the purported “death” of “Bishop” Fulham, who owned the chapel.

    Working from the news item on Mr. Wiest’s antique store, if you do a reverse phone look-up of the Mr, Wiest’s phone number which is given in the news article, you will find that Mr. Wiest came into a large amount of money at some time prior to January of 2021, when he bought properties in Hawaii, Arizona, Illinois and Michigan.

    January 2021 is also when Mr. Wiest first arrived at OLHC. When he had been at the chapel only 3 weeks, he began spreading lies about Father Starbuck and was telling chapel members “We need to get rid of Father Starbuck.” That’s when some of us asked WTF???

    Again, none of this makes any sense unless something evil is involved.
    I am in error. No background check was able to be done because Mr. Wiest adamantly refused to submit his drivers license. A background check would also necessitate him giving his fingerprints. That a background check became an impossibility.

    What I intended to say is that Wiest was investigated and it was found that no such person as Father Michael Wiest ever existed.
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #249 on: January 10, 2022, 08:41:04 PM »
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  • To answer your question, it was difficult to do a background check because Wiest (although he wanted to work alone with altar boys and by CA state law was required to have a background check) repeatedly refused to show his drivers’ license and also repeatedly refused to show his ordination papers.

    For unknown reasons, the school board has continually assisted his stonewalling. When Father Perez directed Father Starbuck to follow up with the school board on the background check, all hell broke lose. The venom of three of the four school board members was directed at Father Starbuck for carrying out the request of Father Perez.

    It does not make any sense at all unless something evil is involved.

    Eventually a background check was done (this was mentioned by Father Starbuck in his recent response to the school board’s latest attack on him). As Father Starbuck pointed out, the investigation revealed that no such person as Father Michael Wiest has ever existed.

    However a photo of the person who calls himself Father Michael Wiest was published in a newspaper (available here on Cath Info) presenting himself as a layman who owned an antique store. The news item showed his photo, a photo of an antique Buddha, an antique Chinese table and an antique Chinese screen. These were similar to, but not the exact Buddah, antique Chinese table and antique Chinese screen in the photo of his Buddhist altar.

    It is clear that it is an altar for pagan worship due to the items that typically are on such an altar, the white candles, the fresh flower and the antique mirror for communicating with the dead. These items put to be the lie that his Buddha was a ”family heirloom” or “museum piece”.

    You say
    Either Wiest is a priest, or he is not.

    The possibilities include:
    1. He is not a priest, which explains all the problems above. But this option fails to explain how well he knows his way around the altar.

    2. He is a priest, but he was ordained under another name which he wants to keep hidden.
    Under this option is the possibility that he is Bishop Fulham who supposedly died in November 18, 2017 or November 19, 2017. He looks like Fulham (photos of Fulham are on CathInfo) and this explains why he knows he way so well around the altar. At the time he “died” Fulham was dealing with scandal of being known to have married a nun and fathered children with her. He had also been criticized for harboring known pederast Father Marshall Roberts.

    For more info on pederast Marshall Robers and the SSJ see this link:  https://www.theinquiry.ca/wordpress/rc-scandal/other-countries/u-s-a/background-article-on-the-society-of-st-john/
    Father Marshall Roberts, a founder of the suppressed and scandal-ridden Society of St. John (formerly under the jurisdiction of the Diocese of Scranton, Pa.) is currently the chaplain of St. Michael the Archangel Roman Catholic Church in Jacksonville, Fla.


    St. Michael the Archangel Roman Catholic Church was an independent chapel owned operated by “Bishop” Fulham.

    Also of the interest is a group called “Friends of St. Michael the Archangel Chapel” which did not cash out their large amount of funds until December 2020. This is odd because that’s almost three years after the purported “death” of “Bishop” Fulham, who owned the chapel.

    Working from the news item on Mr. Wiest’s antique store, if you do a reverse phone look-up of the Mr, Wiest’s phone number which is given in the news article, you will find that Mr. Wiest came into a large amount of money at some time prior to January of 2021, when he bought properties in Hawaii, Arizona, Illinois and Michigan.

    January 2021 is also when Mr. Wiest first arrived at OLHC. When he had been at the chapel only 3 weeks, he began spreading lies about Father Starbuck and was telling chapel members “We need to get rid of Father Starbuck.” That’s when some of us asked WTF???

    Again, none of this makes any sense unless something evil is involved.
    Very good post.

    are you sure Marshall Roberts is in Jacksonville FL? 

    I ask because last I read he was in AZ working  at one of Pfeiffer's congregations.

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #250 on: January 10, 2022, 09:12:57 PM »
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  • I am in error. No background check was able to be done because Mr. Wiest adamantly refused to submit his drivers license. A background check would also necessitate him giving his fingerprints. That a background check became an impossibility.

    What I intended to say is that Wiest was investigated and it was found that no such person as Father Michael Wiest ever existed.
    If I was told that my priest did not exist, I would be concerned and look into those claims. Why are some people upset that others are concerned about something this serious? It is baffling.


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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #251 on: January 11, 2022, 01:59:20 PM »
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  • Very good post.

    are you sure Marshall Roberts is in Jacksonville FL? 

    I ask because last I read he was in AZ working  at one of Pfeiffer's congregations.
    You are correct, he is now in AZ and I believe a Florida Bishop is looking for him. The information linked was that at that time he was in the Jacksonville area being hidden by Father "Bishop" Fulham (who may or may not be Mr. Wiest).
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #252 on: January 11, 2022, 02:17:20 PM »
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  • If I was told that my priest did not exist, I would be concerned and look into those claims. Why are some people upset that others are concerned about something this serious? It is baffling.
    Carissima, you are 100% right.
    Father Perez (who had not vetted Wiest himself) asked Father Starbuck to look into why Wiest had not been vetted by the school board.

    When Father Starbuck did so, he was mercilessly attacked by 3 of the 4 school board members. They spread lies about him.

    As you may have read, one member of the school board yanked open the confessional door DURING confessions and yelled at our good and humble priest to NOT repeat the sermon he'd just given at the 7:30 Mass.

    For good measure, the same school board member then unplugged Father's microphone so no one could hear the sermon.

    To top it off, someone stopped the live-streaming of that Mass.

    What was in that sermon? The request for the school board to properly vet Wiest.

    What on earth is going on?
    Why won't Wiest show his drivers' license?
    Why won't Wiest show his papers of ordination?
    Why won't Wiest say when and where he was ordained and by whom and in what rite?

    Upon the untimely death of Father Perez, Father Starbuck had every intention of continuing to serve OLHC faithfully as he has done for 15 years.

    Yet on Dec. 23 he was abruptly told he would no longer be saying Christmas Masses. He was also told that he was on "vacation" and that if he came on the grounds he would be arrested for trespassing.

    To top it off, a person was sent by the school board to ask him to come onto the grounds because he "needed to get something" out of Father Starbuck's office.
    (In other words, he was being set up to go onto the grounds so he could be arrested for trespassing).

    Lovely behavior for devout Catholics, right?

    Through all of this (and much more) Father Starbuck has been of model of humility, charity, patience and good will. He has shown all of us how to deal with unfair attacks, lies and calumny.

    He now has so many former members of OLHC fleeing to his chapel that he is praying about adding a third Mass.

    Please join us in saying a 54-day Rosary to Our Lady of the Rosary for his protection, provision and guidance, and for the rot to be removed from OLHC (of which I've been a supporting member since the 1990s).
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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #253 on: January 11, 2022, 02:58:20 PM »
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  • Just when I thought I had this all figured out, another twist to the story - This "connection" to Fr. Fulham needs to be dug into.  I always thought it strange the Wiest knew the Mass so perfectly when he obviously didn't or couldn't have had much training.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    Re: OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon
    « Reply #254 on: January 11, 2022, 03:00:57 PM »
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  • I don't understand why the controversy still exists?  If the board wants a fake "Fr" Weist, and if they kicked out Fr Starbuck, and he has found a new chapel, then time to move on.  Nothing is going to get reconciled and Fr Starbuck is probably better off independent.  Blessing in disguise.