Fr. Adam Purdy of the SSPX, who tells traditionalists they should say "Our Lady of Buen Suceso" instead of "Our Lady of Good Success", and who publicly appears to be an "expert" on the devotion, does not speak Spanish...It fits right in with the whole "buen suceso" Spanglish translation. Thanks for the great article.
So then, we have a decision issued in Spanish by nuns who do not know English on the best and most authentic way a Spanish title should be translated into English; this decision is being spread in English as being the best translation from that Spanish title by a priest who does not know Spanish.
Doesn’t it look like blind men making decisions about color hues?
Human nature will argue about anything. What a waste of time!I agree. "Buen Suceso, Good Event, Good Success", whatever you choose to say, I'mm sure Our Lady will know that you are addressing her under this specific apparition. With the massive crisis going on in the Church, this argument is so petty,
The point is that this new Spanglish translation is being foisted on Catholic faithful from the top-down. The Church does not impose upon the faithful docuмents and memoranda about the "proper" invocations to use in devotions.Marcus, you are correct the the name
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At the near approach of the Advent of Our Lord in Bethlehem, even in the womb before He was born, Our Lady, the Ark of the New Covenant, took Him to St. Elizabeth as she carried St. John the Baptist to commission him to be the voice crying out in the wilderness "prepare the way of the Lord." St. John spent his life announcing the coming of the Messias for the benefit of those of good will who awaited Him. In our days, in the early 21st century, I believe we can look back at the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother over the past 500 years and say that she has been fulfilling the role of St. John, preparing us for the second coming of Christ, not as a Babe in a manger, but as the Terrible Judge. And yet, even in His role as Just Judge, He proves that His mercy still burns in His Sacred Heart by sending His Holy Mother to warn us of His coming. The historical events involved in Her apparitions are well known; however, I believe that the circuмstances of the apparitions can be just as helpful in revealing Her purpose as the messages that She brings. Some examples follow. (http://www.dailycatholic.org/13feasts/olgrteve.jpg)This title, by which Our Lady describes Herself to Mother Mariana de Jesús Torres, in Spanish is Nuestra Señora del Buen Suceso. This is commonly, almost universally, mistranslated as Our Lady of Good Success. However, the Spanish word suceso does not mean success. It means an event, an occurrence. So the correct translation of Our Lady's title is not Our Lady of Good Success but rather Our Lady of the Good or Great Event/Occurrence. This is extremely significant. It refers to the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary! The culmination of all the events symbolized in the life of Mother Mariana is that when all seems to be lost, at that moment our Lady will intervene and the Church will be restored - the Triumph of Her Immaculate Heart - the Great Event! This is also the message of Our Lady of Fatima: "In the end My Immaculate Heart will triumph!" The events in the life of Mother Mariana of the Conceptionist sisters in the convent of the Immaculate Conception in Quito are so symbolic that if they had not occurred so long ago, one would think it was an allegory written by a Traditionalist Catholic in the 21st century. Our Lady repeatedly warns Mother Mariana that in the middle of the 20th century, a horrible chastisement would befall the Church (cf. Her warning at La Salette and Fatima's Third Secret). She explains in some detail the things that the Church would suffer, saying that the Sacraments would be difficult to find, that there would be the lack of a shepherd to guide the flock, etc. In addition to the direct communication of these warnings in words, the events which Mother Mariana endured and witnessed are equally prophetic. The books I have read discuss the words but I believe the meaning of the sufferings is even stronger. Mother Mariana wanted to live her Franciscan vocation by following perfectly the Rule of the Franciscans given by Pope Julian II. That is, she wanted to hold on to the traditions, and not innovate in any way, no matter how insignificant it may appear to be, just as Catholics who want to keep the Faith have always done. There were many in the convent who did not want to follow the rule [keep the Faith] and they conspired to make false reports to the bishop which led to her being put into the convent prison. This worked due to the weakness of the prioress who knew it was wrong but passed on the calumnies anyway. Eventually, all of the nuns who wanted to keep the rule were put into the prison, underground, and unable to assist at the Mass and Divine Office. The convent is symbolic of the Church in the mid-20th century. It is taken over by rebellious people, enemies of the rule, who don't want to keep the rule and those who hold on to tradition are placed in an underground prison and denied access to the Sacraments. All of this was done at the command of weak prioress and a bad bishop. The bishop's soul was only saved by the sacrifices of Mother Mariana on his behalf. This happens repeatedly; Mother Mariana and sometimes the other obedient nuns are thrown in prison, then they are released, only to be thrown back in again. Mother Mariana actually died more than once and came back after having been shown visions of the horrible times that would come upon the Church in the mid-20th century. One thing she saw was the extinguishing of the sanctuary light in the convent chapel and nobody was able to re-ignite it. Our Lady explains many meanings to Mariana but the most obvious is that the Blessed Sacrament, i.e. the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, would seem to be all but abolished. It is even the same symbolism that Pope Pius XII used when he warned: Our Lord promised to be with us always, so there will always be a true Mass somewhere, but it won't be continuous, from the rising of the sun to the setting thereof. The other symbolism that Our Lady does describe of the sanctuary lamp going out is that the Church will be without a pope: As always, however, Our Lady gave us a remedy to the evils that would befall the Church, and from our perspective, what has already happened. After St. Gabriel the Archangel appeared to her, Mother Mariana says:
This has been taken from the introduction to my book about the TRUE name Our Lady chose at Quito in Ecuador when she spoke to Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres and warned her of the coming apostasy in the 20th Century that would last into the 21st Century. In my next installment I shall show how this great event coincides with the Triumph of the Catholic Church. The above is from the introduction to my book about the TRUE name Our Lady chose at Quito, Ecuador when she spoke to Mother Mariana de Jesús Torres and warned her about the apostasy of the 20th century. I encourage all to pray the Little Office and want to inform you that, for less than a cup of coffee and a morning roll, you can obtain the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary (http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/karlkeller). In these times it is so important to turn to Mary for through her, Christ will triumph! Karl D. Keller (kdkeller0815@gmail.com) |
But ultimately, it doesn't matter. What are we going to argue about next? How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?Waiting for the thread to be started. . .
Nuestra Señora del Buen Suceso came from the top down. Our Lady chose this name herself in 1610.What a mess, they can't decide what they want to translate it to. Fr. Purdy's translation is Our Lady of Buen Suceso of the Purification, while the writer above does not mention the Purification and translates it like three other ways that are also different from Fr. Purdy, yet Cera posts it as proof for Fr. Purdy.
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….in Spanish is Nuestra Señora del Buen Suceso. ..So the correct translation of Our Lady's title is not Our Lady of Good Success but rather Our Lady of the Good or Great Event/Occurrence.
They have a darn good excuse on this one: the original translation was awful. But it gets Trads warmed up for A) obeying/following the SSPX, B) changing something they are very used to, etc.The translation "Good Success" is bad, you are saying?
The point is that this new Spanglish translation is being foisted on Catholic faithful from the top-down. The Church does not impose upon the faithful docuмents and memoranda about the "proper" invocations to use in devotions.The Church established by Jesus Christ is a hierarchy. Only a Protestant or a member of an anti-Catholic, anti-clerical, heretical cult like TFP/TIA would fail to understand that.
You are very rich in personal attacks and personal offenses, and always avoid the subject of the discussion. There is no "hierarchy" here, priests and nuns are part of the faithful (the learning church), not the teaching church.I believe Cera is the user TradGranny on the Suscipe Domine forum. "TradGranny", aka Cera or a friend of Cera, is doing the same exact copy-and-paste hatchet job...
Since this took place in Quito I think we should reference from the original docuмents.What original docuмents are you referring to? If you are talking about the docuмent released by the convent, it is not credible.
The translation "Good Success" is bad, you are saying?
It's not the best translation, and apt to cause confusion. When translating from one language into another, you must not only consider the source language, but the meaning(s) in the target language as well.Matthew, are you fluent in Spanish? Normally one does not make authoritative statements - like saying that "Our Lady of Good Success is not the best translation" - unless that person is an expert on the topic. Are you in fact an expert in Spanish?
Matthew, are you fluent in Spanish? Normally one does not make authoritative statements - like saying that "Our Lady of Good Success is not the best translation" - unless that person is an expert on the topic. Are you in fact an expert in Spanish?Certainly the translation is a topic that is up for discussion. I'm sure there have been other Marian apparitions with similar issues. However, I think you're right when you say that since the norm has been established (that of "Our Lady of Good Success"), it seems it's the case to keep with the norm rather than try to break the norm and start a new "custom" let's say. That would kind of be inorganic and artificial to say the least.
Since this took place in Quito I think we should reference from the original docuмents.
"All change, except away from evil, is the most dangerous of all things". (Plato)I wanted to clarify that Fr. Purdy of course knew that the apparition was not about worldly success, and that it is the Filipinos people, his congregation, that has it all wrong, they prayed to Our Lady of Good Success for worldly success and knew nothing about he message at Quito. Fr. Purdy made it his mission to teach them the real apparition. This is why he wants to change the name. These errors is very common in South America, the Philippines, and Africa and even in Europe among Catholic cultures, where Catholicism is just part of the culture, and the people really know nothing about the faith. However, Fr. Purdy is dead wrong about the USA, where the few devotees to Our Lady of Good Success very much know what the apparition was about, it is about the message of the future.
This name change idea will never get anywhere, the few people proposing it, Fr. Purdy and like two Philippino woman, are just three nobodies who think they discovered something they can make a "mission" of, it is rooted in ignorance and pride. Likely because they previously thought that the apparition was about worldly success. That their mission is misdirected from the get go, clearly shows that it is wrong. That they chose the Spanglish title of Our Lady of "Buen Suceso" of the Purification says it all, they are misdirected at their first baby step. It'll never get anywhere, Catholics seeking truth do not follow the blind, they follow the voice of Our Lord.
Here is what they should have done: teach to the few simple minded people like them, that the English title of "Good Success" does not mean success in the sense of worldly gain. That is all.
My wife has a big devotion to our Lady of Good Success and has read the books in English, the thought that Our Lady of Good Success has to do with worldly success has never entered her mind. I read the books too, and the thought never entered my mind. The attraction to me has always been the message about the future, which in every way appears to describe our times. I first learned about Our Lady of Good Success in Catholic Family News, I think in the late 1990's, they referenced the books by Tradition in Action. The articles were all about the message about the future.
Why is it that Guimaraes and TIA/Plinio followers think that they are the sole and absolute authority in determining what Our Lady's title in Quito really is? Where does that sole and absolute authority come from? Do they believe that it comes from their prophet Plinio?If the writer's mind did not lack a memory card, she would have remembered that the title of Our Lady Of Good Success is over 30 years old and was first coined by Msgr. Cadena y Almeida, the Postulator for the Cause of Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres.The article explaining that has been posted in two different threads on CI in the last thtree weeks, here is the most recent one: https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/our-lady-of-good-success-or-our-lady-of-buen-suceso/#msg649485 (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/our-lady-of-good-success-or-our-lady-of-buen-suceso/#msg649485)
I believe Cera is the user TradGranny on the Suscipe Domine forum. "TradGranny", aka Cera or a friend of Cera, is doing the same exact copy-and-paste hatchet job...
Why is it that Guimaraes and TIA/Plinio followers think that they are the sole and absolute authority in determining what Our Lady's title in Quito really is? Where does that sole and absolute authority come from? Do they believe that it comes from their prophet Plinio?We meet again, Meg. It seems that, since you couldn't find a good answer to our questions on the other thread ("titled Atila and the TFP"), you ran away to this thread to post more of the same garbage - insults and baseless personal attacks, which is equivalent to throwing sand in the eyes to have time to flee. Hardly becoming for a "noble defender of the truth" that you like to present yourself as.
Can those that know how, please post that article here too.With pleasure, Last Tradhican. I think Meg needs a refresher. It can be found here (https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B999_M120_OLGS.html).
The Church established by Jesus Christ is a hierarchy. Only a Protestant or a member of an anti-Catholic, anti-clerical, heretical cult like TFP/TIA would fail to understand that.
I don't believe TIA is trying to establish themselves as the "sole and absolute authorities" on the matter, but if anything they are simply following a linguistic precedent that was set before they even published their books on Our Lady of Good Success. How do I know this? As I mentioned in another thread, Msgr. Luis Cadena y Almeida (a very educated priest, director of the Archiespiscopal Archive of the Curia of Quito, and the postulator for the cause of beatification for Mother Mariana) approved the English title of Our Lady of Good Success in the book titled "A Spanish Mystic in Quito", which was published in 1990 - almost ten years before TIA published their first book on Our Lady of Good Success (first edition was 1999).
If anyone is trying to set themselves up as the "absolute authorities", it is Fr. Purdy and the SSPX by trying to discredit all of the good faith research of TIA by imposing a new arbitrary "translation", Our Lady of Buen Suceso, which again, is not a translation, but Spanglish.
Cera,I agree Incredulous. I mentioned this in another post, but Cera and Meg seem to be full of personal attacks and insults. This is characteristic of people who are not only intellectually deficient, but also belong to a cult. Anyone that doesn't follow their "cult" gets insulted and intimidated, since they don't really have any other arguments based on reason and logic to back up their cult leaders/cult beliefs. Curious how Cera and Meg suddenly appeared on this forum with a barrage of anti-TIA/Atila/Plinio garbage only days after Atila published an article exposing the frauds of Fr. Purdy/SSPX.
I'm sorry to point out that you're avatar's Fatima invocation reeks of hypocrisy.
You defame Prof Plineo, while refusing to read or comprehend his docuмented VII Fatima history:
Bio excerpt:
In 1959, John XXIII announced his intention to convene a Council. Prof. Plinio warned Archbishop Sigaud and Bishop Mayer that they should study and prepare themselves intensively or they would be defeated by the progressivists at the Council. Unfortunately, they did not heed his advice.
Notwithstanding, Prof. Plinio, along with about 20 laymen, accompanied the Bishops to Rome for the First Session with the hope that they would have a positive influence. With these laymen he organized two petitions, signed by hundreds of Bishops: one asking the Council to condemn Communism; the other asking the Pope to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary as commanded in Fatima.
He sought out the Bishops of Communism-dominated countries asking them to affirm that the Church-Communism coexistence is against Catholic doctrine. Ukrainian Archbishop Ivan Bucko agreed to state this at the Council. Prof. Plinio wrote an intervention for him, but Msgr. Bucko changed his mind and did not address the topic in the Council. In May 1964, Prof. Plinio published that study: The Church and the Communist State: The Impossible Coexistence.
If Guimaraes doesn't consider himself the sole authority on the matter, then why are you so upset that I will not consider his view of the matter?More diversions, Meg. Is that all you have? Did you even read what I posted? You know, it is classical cult behavior when a person blocks out anything that can even slightly contradict his cult beliefs/cult leader.
Why did you go ballistic if you yourself don't consider him to be the sole authority on the issue of the name of Our Lady at the shrine in Quito?
More diversions, Meg. Is that all you have? Did you even read what I posted? You know, it is classical cult behavior when a person blocks out anything that can even slightly contradict his cult beliefs/cult leader.
I'm not upset that you don't consider his view on the matter - I just think it's interesting that you not only won't consider Guimaraes' view (a well established scholar in the Catholic world), but you also won't even consider the view of Msgr. Cadena y Almeida, which, as I said before above, is the authority in the cause of Mother Mariana and approved the English title Our Lady of Good Success almost 10 years before TIA ever started using it publicly. Cadena y Almeida has absolutely nothing to do with TIA, in fact I think he died already. You also don't consider the view of Dom Gueranger, who is widely considered the foremost expert on liturgy, and proves that the docuмent put out by Fr. Purdy contradicts the tradition of the Church. Again, Dom Gueranger has nothing to do with TIA.
If you don't consider the views of Msgr. Cadena y Almeida or Dom Gueranger, then whose views do you consider? The answer seems to be that you only consider the views of Fr. Purdy/SSPX, and anything that contradicts them you attack with a blood-thirsty vengeance. Now who is part of a cult here?
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(https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/Images/B_999_M120_Book.jpg)The book by Msgr. Cadena y Almeida from where the texts above were taken
Cera,Did he say some things with which Catholics can agree. Yes. That is how cults operate; they present a false front.
I'm sorry to point out that you're avatar's Fatima invocation reeks of hypocrisy.
You defame Prof Plineo, while refusing to read or comprehend his docuмented VII Fatima history:
What I also find interesting is that the publisher of the above book is none other than TFP, through their group "Foundation for a Christian Civilization:"Thank you for pointing that out.
https://www.abebooks.com/9781877905186/Spanish-mystic-Quito-Sor-Mariana-1877905186/plp
What original docuмents are you referring to? If you are talking about the docuмent released by the convent, it is not credible.Why not?
Why not?
There are three articles written by TIA demonstrating that the SSPX put the convent up to it.
The SSPX inserted their "change agent" at the convent for at least four years. She even arranged for the implementation of a website, only to make the name change announcement. Fr. Purdy admits he doesn't know Spanish and the Mother Superior doesn't know English. There is no real scholarship to justify the change. The SSPX colluded with Quito's Novus ordo bishop for Shrine access for the purpose of ousting the TFP. The SSPX made themselves conciliar kosher and they hope to establish dominance at the Shrine.
Why? The SSPX nowadays functions like a pushy corporation that wants world prestige, publicity and more money.
Darn... they're just not getting what we're saying :confused:
Maybe I'll keep it simple and "connect" with Prof Cera using the native language ?
Here goes:
"Ito ay malungkot na ang Ama Purdy lamang ay may Jade, Meg at Cera upang itago sa likod. Nasaan ang mga lalaki ng SSPX?"
Translated:
It is so sad that Father Purdy only has Jade, Meg and Cera to hide behind. Where are the SSPX men?
How do you know that the Mother Superior doesn't know English?How do you know that the Mother Superior knows English?
How do you know that there has been no real scholarship to justify the change?
How do you know that the SSPX colluded with Quito's Novus Ordo bishop for shrine access for the purpose of ousting the TFP?
Is it only by the word of Guimaraes that you believe the above is true?
You believe that both Cera and I are agents of the SSPX?No, not unless the SSPX is trying to all destroy devotion to Our Lady of Good Success. You two could destroy the optimism of an ice lemonade salesman in the desert.
How do you know that the Mother Superior knows English?
How do you know that there is any scholarship to justify the change to Our Lady of Buen Suceso of the Purification?
How do you know that the SSPX did not colluded with Quito's Novus Ordo bishop for shrine access?
Is it only by the word of (? Cera? a little voice in your ear?) that you believe whatever you believe (of course no one has a clue what you believer because you are all over the place)(https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/olgs-'expert'-fr-purdy-doesn't-speak-spanish!/47/?action=reporttm;msg=649633)
Yeah, don't answer the questions, just respond with questions. How typical.As a Catholic woman, when you talk to men, you need to learn to talk with humility, ask questions when you want to learn something and do not attempt to teach men. I hope that at least for Holy Week you will abandon CI, though you really should abandon it altogether, for you spend far too much time writing nothing of value to you or anyone else.
. Guimaraes has written volumes, VOLUMES, in his life and I have never caught him lying,Cult followers are taught not to use their critical thinking skills, which is why cult followers believe that their cult leader never lies.
Judging ones intelligence from their ideas, Guimaraes is one of the smartest trads of my times.
Cult followers are taught not to use their critical thinking skills, which is why cult followers believe that their cult leader never lies.This is all great, Cera. But what are supposed to call Our Lady who appeared in Quito? Can you name another apparition where two languages have been used for Our Lady's title? What is the justification for suddenly changing the name? Have these people been researching this apparition for decades? Or did they hear of Our Lady of Good Success from TIA and decided he wanted to re-brand this apparition for whatever reason?
When a cult leader writes VOLUMES it means they write 99% of truth to suck in their targets, and then they slip in the significant 1% of lies.
The next time Atila writes, perhaps he will respond to the credible, well-docuмented charge that he prayed to Plinio while Plinio was still alive. His prayer was: I am not the one who is alive but it is My Lord [Plinio] that lives in me.
The next time Atila writes, perhaps he will respond to the credible, well-docuмented charge that he prayed --"Hail, Luigi Plinio Elia (official name of Plinio in the Holy Slavery), full of love and hate, the Blessed Virgin is with you. You are blessed among the faithful, and the fruit of your love and your hatred, which is the counterrevolution, is blessed. Oh holy Luigi Plinio Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. "
Perhaps he will respond to the credible, well-docuмented charge that he was a member of a secret society within TFP. Slave # 11 to the "prophet" Plinio. He can explain why he laid, prostrate upon the ground in front of Dr. Plinio.
For those who are not cult members, here is the docuмent.
Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG
The following declaration was registered at the Public Archives (August 24, 1984) and published on March 14 1985 in the newspaper La Folha de Manha.
I, the undersigned, Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG (General Registry) 3706587, SP, marital status - unmarried, living in Curitiba (Brazil), Manoel C. so Ribas, No 418, swear to be true that when I belonged to the TFP, Brazilian Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, in 1967 I entered into a secret society of that association, known as "Sacred Slavery" [Sempre Viva], also known by its members as "Still Living".
The members of this secret society have made a consecration of themselves as slaves of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira in the same sense in which St. Louis de Montfort Grignion recommended it be done for the Madonna. For this consecration, as a slave to Dr. Plinio, was used the same text drawn up by St. Louis for the consecration to Our Lady, with some adaptation. We proceeded in this manner because Dr. Plinio was considered to have the same spirit as the Madonna, because his spirit was one with the Wisdom and Immaculate Heart of Mary. The members of that society prayed every day using the following prayer of "Sacred Slavery", composed by Dr. Plinio himself:
"Immaculate Heart of Mary and Wisdom, in the atmosphere of our days when all men are free, are drunk on freedom, I offer myself to you, a slave, to be like the last of the men referred to by My Lord [Plinio]. I offer myself in the atmosphere of these days in which everything speaks of naturalism, so that my life is entirely supernatural.
I am not the one who is alive but it is My Lord [Plinio] that lives in me. From him everything comes to me, his spirit is living in me, and I can imitate in this union of slavery, everything that he is. In the climate of our days, without greatness, without horizons, given over to optimism and mediocrity, time will bring great events to us, with great horizons, in which I will have to live as a hero of the same magnitude as My Lord [Plinio]. Looking inside myself and seeing a lot of smallness, I know that faith requires me to imitate My Lord [Plinio], and I will make of myself a perfect Apostle of the Last Times, according to the prophetic prayer of St. Louis de Montfort Grignion. In all this I ask My Lord [Plinio] to help my unbelief. "
Prayers were also recited to him [Plinio], as a parody of the Ave Maria, which incorporate the prophecies of St. Louis, St. Elias and himself:
"Hail, Luigi Plinio Elia (official name of Plinio in the Holy Slavery), full of love and hate, the Blessed Virgin is with you. You are blessed among the faithful, and the fruit of your love and your hatred, which is the counterrevolution, is blessed. Oh holy Luigi Plinio Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. "
Also recited was the rosary using the adapted 'Ave Maria'. Even the meetings began with the same 'Ave Maria', the official prayer of the Holy Slavery and with the ejaculation: "Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary! Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, the faithful slave, Immaculate Heart of Wisdom and Mary!" There was also a Litany for him, the 'Doctor', and they said that the prayers had been composed by Marcos Ribeiro Dantas (slave Plinio Paul).
In one of these ejaculatory prayers to Dr. Plinio it was prayed: "The forerunner of Elijah, pray for us!"
Dr. Plinio imparted the blessing to his slaves. Sometimes, when they received it, they were stretched out on the floor, face upwards, and then Dr. Plinio laid his right foot on the face and gave his blessing, saying: "Benedictio Matris et Mediatricis descendat super vos et semper maneat ".
The slaves of Dr. Plinio had the habit of confessing to him, confessing their failings and even their sins. After the accusation, if the slave asked for a penance, Dr Plinio had the habit of giving three slaps to the face of the slave. Following this, he would impart the blessing.
The entry into "Sempre Vivente" took place by means of a ceremony that lasted several hours, in Via Alagoas, on the second floor of the house, and sometimes in other places.
Dr. Plinio sat on a small throne with the habit and the mantle of the Third Order. The assistants used a habit without the mantle. The person who was about to be introduced to that company relaxed, as if dead, prostrate upon the ground in front of Dr. Plinio. At this point, from Dr. Plinio, was received the order to stand up to receive a new life and he [Plinio] intoned: "Exsurge." This meant that the person had died and was born a new man, a slave of the prophet, an Apostle of the Last Times.
The person then fulfilled his consecration as a slave and delivered his whole being, material and spiritual, to Dr. Plinio. Symbolic objects were used. Dr. Plinio acquired an absolute right, as with the old slave of the Roman Law, except for the right to life and death. That is why they call it "Dominus Plinius."
The ceremony continued with the feet and hands of the Prophet [Plinio] being kissed by the slave. Then, Dr. Plinio left the throne and there sat his new slave, since he was a new Plinio. Dr. Plinio kissed the feet and hands of his new slave.
So, the effect was of a transforming union that took place between them; one living in the other. The slave was a new Plinio. For this reason was adopted the name of Plinio composed with that of another, of a patron and a title of Our Lady. For example, I chose to become Plinio Bernardo Dimas Longinos of Our Lady, Queen of the Holy Apostles of the Last Times. I was known as Plinio Dimas.
We could not communicate with other members of TFP the existence of "Sacred Slavery," because - of course - of the nature of this secret society.
The twelve first slaves were:
1) Caio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Mário.
2) Eduardo Barros Brotero - Plinio Eduardo.
3) Luiz Nazareno of Assunpção Filho - Plinio Luiz.
4) João Clá Dias Scognamiglio - Plinio Fernando.
5) Humberto Braccesi - Plinio Cirineu.
6) Fernando Siqueira - Plinio Bernardo.
7) Carlos Espírito Hofmeister Poly - Plinio Jose.
Marcos Ribeiro Dantes - Plinio Paulo.
9) Mário Navarro da Costa - Plinio Elias.
10) Dom Bertrand de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio Miguel.
11) Atila Sinke Guimarães - Plinio Márcio.
12) Becca Cosme Varella Hijo - Plinio Lázaro.
Over time other people entered the "Still Living". They are:
13) Plinio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Elizeu.
14) Paulo Corrêa de Brito Filho - Plinio Jeremias.
15) Luiz Filipe Ablas - Plinio Dimas.
16) "X" - Plinio Inácio.
17) Dom Luiz de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio da Cruz.
18) Marcelino Antônio Pereira de Almeida - Plinio Francisco.
19) Edson Neves da Silva - Plinio Batista.
20) Fernando Antunes Aldunate - Plinio Longinos.
21) Leo Nino Doscolo Daniele - Plinio Tobias.
22) Fernando Furquin de Almeida Filho - Plinio Amen.
23) Martim Afonso Xavier da Silveira Jr. - Plinio Pedro.
24) Sergio Bidueira - Plinio Hildebrando.
25) Jose Lucio de Araújo Correia - Plinio Ezquiel.
26) Julio Ubeold - Plinio Tomaz.
27) Fernado Teles - Plinio Leofredo.
28) Roberto Guerreiro - Plinio Agostinho.
29) Afonso Becar Verella - Plinio Ambros.
30) Miguel Becar Verella - Plinio Domingos.
31) Carlos Viano - Plinio Godofredo.
32) The Argentine, Escurra - Plinio Leon.
33) Carlos Antunez Aldunate - Plinio Emanuel.
34) Jaime Antunez Aldunate - Plinio Gregório.
35) Gonzalo Larrain - slave Plinio Caetano.
36) Patricio Larrain - Plinio João.
37) Patrício Amunategui - Plinio Santiago.
38) Casté - Plinio Joaquim.
39) Pedro Paulo Figueiredo - Plinio Jacó.
40) Carlos Alberto Soares Correia - Plinio Athens.
41) Aloisio Torres - Plinio Macabeu.
42) Roberto Esper Kalás - Plinio Bento.
43) Paulo Roberto Rosa - Plinio Tiago.
44) Paulo Cesar Nascimento - Plinio Henoch.
45) Lúcio Montes - Plinio Estevão.
46) "Y" - Plinio Afonso.
47) João Carlos Leal da Costa - Plinio Matatias.
48) Francisco Xavier Tosto - Plinio Isaias.
49) José Antônio Tosto - Plinio Sebastian.
50) "Z" - Plinio Clovis.
51) Guerreiro Dantas - Plinio Davi.
52) Rivoira - Plinio Hermenegildo.
53) Alejandro Bravo - Plinio Samuel.
54) Carlos Ybarguren - Plinio Antonio.
55) Nelsie Fragelli - Plinio Tomé.
56) Fernado Larrain - Plinio ?.
There were others who, at the time, were not received in "Still Life", but were still slaves of Dr. Plinio. For example: Antonio Candido Lara Ducci - slave Ducci and Carlos Eduardo Schafer - slave Schafer.
Speaking of his power and his slaves, Dr. Plinio asked: "What is the power of the pope in comparison to everything?"
It was said amongst the slaves that the "Secret of Mary", of St. Louis de Montfort, is probably the establishment of the "Sacred Slavery" in respect to Dr Plinio.
Dr. Plinio was then designated by the nickname of "Mary", because the slave of Mary was the slave of Plinio.
The slaves used to ask for the granting of petitions, kneeling in front of Dr. Plinio. For example, Cosme Becca Varella Hijo, in his consecration, urged "My Lord" the grace to become a widower.
I would also like to declare that I, myself, was consecrated to the son of Dona Lucilia [mother of Plinio], kneeling on her grave, in the presence of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira and his personal guards.
Curitiba, 24 August 1984
Luiz Filipe de Freitas Guimaraes Abias
Witnesses to the deposition:
Orlando Fedeli 1,433,401, RG
Giulio Folen 2,481,149, RG.
Cartorio Ramos, Second Office of Civil Status Registration, Securities and Docuмents, Via Mal. Floriano Peixoto, 986 - Tel.224-2444.
Statement made on this day. Written and recorded on microfilm (No. 544948). File Number: 330009.
I don’t understand it. They can be so supportive of Fr. Purdy yet have such vitriol for Atila.
Cera & Meg, the two "PPC's"
(Purdy Philippino Cheerleaders)
In Cera's case, she seems so "wired" to dump calumnies, ishe must have broken into her Easter basket early and ate all the chocolate bunnies?
I don’t understand it. They can be so supportive of Fr. Purdy yet have such vitriol for Atila.Those who love the Truth are often misunderstood by those who do not.
Those who love the Truth are often misunderstood by those who do not.Great! Since you love the truth, please answer my question. After all, that is what this thread is about.
Facts are not vitriol.
Facts are not support.
That is well understood by those of us who love the truth.
Those who love the Truth are often misunderstood by those who do not.
Facts are not vitriol.
Facts are not support.
That is well understood by those of us who love the truth.
True. Facts are not vitriol. If there's any vitriol, it is seen in the supporters of Guimaraes against anyone who questions him and says that he is wrong. It has caused them fits of hysteria at times. Not a good sign.
As an aside, I, for one, do question the merit of an SSPX presence at the shrine. After all, the shrine is under the authority of the conciliar church. The only reason why there may be something positive about it is in the fact that the shrine represents Our Lady, and what she foretold for these perilous times. But if the SSPX really does have a permanent presence there (and it's not just some sort of fiction made up by Guimaraes), then I have to wonder if they will be allowed, by the bishop, to speak out against Modernism, Vatican ll, etc.
Has anyone seen any communication from the SSPX that shows that the SSPX are now active at the shrine?
Meg,
Please contact the "semi-holy religious", Ms. Jade Liboro for the SSPX's latest Shrine schedule.
Note: And in case you haven't noticed, the SSPX doesn't speak out against Vatican II and Modernism anymore.
This change occurred around the time the SSPX was caught in online public records with the Jєω, Max Krah.
They were setting-up shell corporations in Europe to shelter the $100 million given to the Society by Krah affiliates.
Krah even admitted to the whole thing in an interview in the Remnant.
Great! Since you love the truth, please answer my question. After all, that is what this thread is about.Our Lady of the Good Event of the Purification
What is the correct English translation?
Meg,You read the The Remnant? So do I, cover to cover. I never saw the issue to which you are referring. The date of the issue?
Please contact the "semi-holy religious", Ms. Jade Liboro for the SSPX's latest Shrine schedule.
Note: And in case you haven't noticed, the SSPX doesn't speak out against Vatican II and Modernism anymore.
This change occurred around the time the SSPX was caught in online public records with the Jєω, Max Krah.
They were setting-up shell corporations in Europe to shelter the $100 million given to the Society by Krah affiliates.
Krah even admitted to the whole thing in an interview in the Remnant.
. Didn't Guimaraes have an ax to grind against the SSPX long before the problems began with the SSPX around the year 2012?The venomous hatred of TFP and TIA against the SSPX began in 1983 when Angelus magazine published an expose of TFP by a former member of the TFP cult, John Armour.
You read the The Remnant? So do I, cover to cover. I never saw the issue to which you are referring. The date of the issue?
Krahgate An Interview with Maximilian Krah |
| By Robert J. Siscoe | POSTED: 10/27/12 |
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Maximilian Krah (www.RemnantNewspaper.com (http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/)) Several years ago, internet rumors began to circulate about a scandal brewing inside the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX). According to these rumors, in early 2009, a Jєωιѕн Freemason named Maximilian Krah was appointed to the board of a newly founded corporation. This corporation was to serve as the financial vehicle for the investments of the SSPX. The board included the Superior General of the SSPX, Bishop Fellay, his first assistant, Fr. Nicholas Pfluger, the SSPX Bursar General, Fr. Emeric Baudot, and the purported Jєωιѕн Freemason, Maximilian Krah, who had a general power of attorney and hence access to the funds. As coincidence would have it, the founding of this corporation coincided with the airing of the now famous interview with Bishop Williamson, in which he provided his personal opinion regarding certain aspects of the h0Ɩ0cαųst. The interview was subsequently aired on television in Germany, a country that requires an absolute unthinking adherence to the purported facts associated with the h0Ɩ0cαųst, the questioning or denial of which constitutes “h0Ɩ0cαųst denial” – a crime punishable by fines and up to five years in prison. When Bishop Williamson dared to question several of the purported facts, during a television interview, quite literally all hell broke loose. Dr. Krah, himself a lawyer, was entrusted with the task of locating a criminal attorney to defend Bishop Williamson. Additional rumors began to circulate over Dr. Krah’s choice of an attorney to represent Bishop Williamson, and increased when Bishop Williamson decided to hire a different lawyer to defend himself. More rumors concerning Dr. Krah have continued to spread across the internet ever since. Message forums are filled with speculation, and websites and blogs have been set up in multiple languages to cover the latest events in what has come to be known as “Krahgate”. But interestingly, as I performed an internet search of the rumors in order to prepare this opening commentary, I realized that the rumors, while heavy on speculation and insinuation, are light on specifics, and even lighter on evidence. There is a lot of name-calling, but very little in the way of substantive accusations. One recent rumor, which seems to be based on a picture that has surfaced, is that Dr. Krah is a Zionist and might even be a secret Mossad agent. Although I did not follow the events of “Krahgate” very closely myself, I am aware that Dr. Krah’s reputation is less than revered among many SSPX faithful, and within certain circles ranks somewhere between that of Lucifer and Beelzebub. With this brief background in mind, let us fast forward to The Angelus Press Conference, which was held at the Marriot Hotel in Kansas City, Missouri, during the weekend of October 19th through the 21st – a conference that I happened to attend. On the first evening of the event, while on my way to cocktail hour, I struck up a conversation with a man in the elevator. We continued our conversation as we made our way to the Pavilion, which was set up on the water behind the hotel, for the Conference attendees. The gentleman and I continued our discussion as we proceeded to the bar for a glass of wine. At some point, we realized that we had not formally introduced ourselves. It was then that I learned the identity of the man I was speaking with, and it was none other than Maximilian Krah himself! As he stated his now famous, or should we say infamous name, one could almost hear the screeching noise from the Psycho shower scene sounding in the background. I spent the remainder of the evening, and indeed the entire weekend, getting to know Dr. Krah. We discussed the Faith, the situation in the Church, the current events within the Society, and even our personal opinions on the best way of dealing with the present crisis of Faith that we are living through. Of course, we also discussed the many rumors circulating on the internet about him. Needless to say, he was well aware of them. He was more than happy to discuss them, and even seemed somewhat relieved to be able to finally give his side of the story. Dr. Krah, was baptized Catholic as a baby and raised in the Faith, and his parents were married by his uncle, who was a Catholic Priest. Dr. Krah, who is now 35 years old, found his way to Tradition in his early to mid- 20’s; and, after a brief pass through the Indult, has been a regular attendee of a Society chapel ever since. Over the weekend I got to know Dr. Krah fairly well. We ate together, spent the evenings socializing, and he rode with me to the Pontifical High Mass at St. Vincent’s Church, which was celebrated by Bishop Fellay. During the course of the weekend, as he would meet new people, I would observe their reaction as he told them his name, and then the conversation would usually turn to the rumors. Seeing how interested people were to hear his side of the story, which, I must say, differs dramatically from the internet rumors, I asked if he would allow me to interview him. I then asked Michael Matt (also at the conference) if he would be interested in running the interview of Dr. Krah in The Remnant, and he said yes. I purchased a tape recorder from the local Wal-Mart, did a quick internet search to familiarize myself with the rumors and get the latest news, and we made our way to the hotel’s “Nebraska Room” for the interview. The following is a transcript of the interview. The Interview Siscoe: First off Dr. Krah, I would like to thank you for agreeing to this interview. There is a lot of internet controversy surrounding you and your affiliation with the SSPX. Since some of the controversy deals with your faith and ethnicity, would you begin by telling us about your personal background? Krah: Yes, of course, thank you for the opportunity to answer these questions. I am German by nationality. I was born and raised Catholic in the then-East Germany. My parents were married by my uncle who was a priest. East Germany had a Communist government until 1989, so we had the experience of living our Faith under an atheist regime. This may explain the reason for my positions on some points we will talk about later, because I know what it means to have an atheist government, an atheist state. I would not say that the East German government in the late 1980’s made a strong persecution of Christians but it was officially atheist. Sometimes I smile a little bit when I hear from other faithful that they feel persecuted by the government, because they have never experienced it. I think we should always see things in a very rational way, and we should not exaggerate our own feelings. This is why I am always an advocate of being moderate and very focused and detailed, even if we think things are worse. We should just be balanced. Later on in 1990, Germany was re-unificated, and it was the Catholics who came into charge because they were completely trustworthy since they were not linked to the Communist government. So my father, who was an engineer by training, became a senior servant of the state government and then my mother, who is a teacher by training, became a vice-principal of her school. I have 2 siblings. The oldest is my sister who is a dentist. My brother is a doctor. I later studied law in Germany and made my MBA in London and New York. I did some research and received a doctorate in law. My wife and I married with the Latin Mass on the High Altar, in Dresden Cathedral, shortly before we went to the SSPX. We have four children who we are raising Catholic, and we attend the chapel of the SSPX. There is absolutely nothing that should be considered suspicious to other people. We try to live a clean and successful life. Siscoe: So you’re not Jєωιѕн? No Jєωιѕн background? You were baptized a Catholic as a child? Krah: Of course, I am a Catholic. That’s it. About these accusations of being Jєωιѕн, I´d like to tell a story about when Charles Chaplin came to Germany in the early 1930’s. A lot of people from Berlin came to see him, and Hitler was jealous. The nαzι newspapers wrote an article criticizing and shaming so many Germans for applauding a Jєω. When Chaplin came back to Hollywood, he was asked why he had not declared that he is not Jєωιѕн. His answer was: if I would have denied it officially, I would have felt as if I was agreeing that there was something bad about being Jєωιѕн. Given the mentality of the people at the time, he said it would have only contributed to the work of the nαzι’s, and this is why he didn’t say “I am not Jєωιѕн”. I had a quite similar reaction when I first read these accusations about myself. I sent an email to a US priest of the SSPX and asked him what I should do, and he advised me to keep silent because there is definitely nothing bad about being of the same people as Jesus and Mary. Moreover, in the early times of Christianity, the front rows in churches were reserved to the Christians with Jєωιѕн roots. That said, I do not think there is anything bad about people having Jєωιѕн roots. I simply do not have it. Siscoe: Are you a Freemason? Krah: No I am not a Freemason, and never have been. Siscoe: How did you find tradition? Krah: I think part of it has to do with my personal background. Remember, I came from a country that was only 5% Catholic. We were a minority. It was considered brave to go to Mass every Sunday, and it was clear that Catholics had to stick together in opposition to the Communist government. When the re-unification came, I very quickly joined the Young Christian Democrats, and the first action I took part in was in printing posters against a Communist radio channel. And I was very proud of being a part of this; I was fourteen at the time. We took part in this action, and then I came to Mass one Sunday, I noticed the chairman of the parish youth organization, who was the son of the pastoral assistant, and he was wearing a button in favor of this Communist channel. And he wore it on his Yasser Arafat scarf. This was at Mass. [Chuckle] When I saw this, I realized we live on different planets. And for me I always asked myself, “is it possible, that with the things they teach and they do in the local parish, we could have built up Christendom, with its major impressive cathedrals?” The answer was definitely “NO”! During my military time I began to think about and to read more about my own faith. I eventually came across the website of the SSPX and I found the Catechism of Fr. Gaudron. I then sought out a traditional Mass in my area, and found there was one 120 kilometers away. It was an Indult but all the ministers were trained by the SSPX. Siscoe: What year was this? Krah: It was about 2003…. Siscoe: Okay, so after a brief pass through the Indult, you came to be affiliated with the Society. Can you tell us how that came about? Krah: Even when I attended the Indult, I considered myself an SSPX man. I had found the SSPX homepage. I knew about Archbishop Lefebvre. It was a very short next step to contact the SSPX directly, and I met the then District Superior Fr. Heggenberger. At this time I was becoming more zealous in my faith, and because of my political activities and the status of my family, who was quite well linked to the diocese, I had considered trying to arrange a new Motu Proprio Chapel. Or, I could go the harder way and try to organize an SSPX Chapel. After a talk I had with Fr. Heggenberger, I decided doing it the hard way was the right way. It was clear that if you are interested in traditional Catholicism, the Latin Mass, etc. then there is one big player and it is the SSPX. I have realized that not everyone who agrees with the SSPX attends the SSPX chapels. I attended the Indult primarily because it was closer to where I live. It wasn’t until later than I found out about the disagreements within the Traditional movement; between the different camps. I think the agreement between the various camps is very great; and the disagreements are… I think … there is a Latin phrase “viribusunitis”, we are all Catholics and we have to try to fight together, as far as possible. Of course, the SSPX is the anchor of the whole Traditional movement. And the intellectual influence goes far, even into the Novus Ordo… even within the Novus Ordo people look at what the SSPX is doing. They have them in their periphery. So for me it was clear, if I go this step out of the diocese, there is only one place. Siscoe: Do you have a favorite saint or a patron saint? Krah: Yes, I have… Maybe it is because I am thought of as quite an intellectual that I like the saints who are gifted intellectually; those who combine Faith and reason. I very much like St. Robert Bellarmine who is quite close to the ideal of a balanced intellectual, combined with a strong faith. What I am fascinated by is the historical meeting of St. Ambrose and St. Augustine. I guess there are some such handshakes in history which change the world. I consider this meeting of St. Ambrose and St. Augustine to be such an encounter. It might be a little too simplistic to say but they met and they opened a new perspective for religion, for the whole world. For me, this is a very impressive moment in history. I guess you get an idea of what types of Saints impress me. My 2nd son is named Pius because of Pius XII. I consider Pius XII in some ways comparable to St. Robert Bellarmine … there is a balance. I am very attracted to the intellectual side of the Faith. This is something I very much appreciate about my Catholic Faith. Siscoe: Let’s discuss some of the internet rumors. Can you tell us about the company, DelloSarto AG? What was your affiliation with that company, and the status of that company today? Krah: Yes, the first thing to realize is that a corporation prevents liability. This is something that is widely known and is a common practice for the SSPX, especially in the US. DelloSarto was established to receive a large inheritance, which was expected to come but never did. So now we have a completely empty corporation that we will shut down. The rumors were complete nonsense. But maybe what are important to address are the rumors concerning my power of attorney. They say I have too much power but lawyers always have a very wide power of attorney. He can only use it if the client accepts it, but formally there is always a wide power of attorney. This is absolutely business as usual, so all the rumors concerning DelloSarto show that those who are spreading this campaign on the internet have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Siscoe: And what was your affiliation with the company. You were on the board? … Krah: With DelloSarto, I handled the incorporation, and I was the representative… you could say my position would be similar to a COO [Chief Operations Officer]. Siscoe: So the company was set up in anticipation of receiving a large inheritance?... Krah: Exactly, which didn’t come. The heritage didn’t come. Siscoe: There is another company that is mentioned as well, Laetitia AG. Can you tell us about… Krah: This company has nothing to do with the SSPX or DelloSarto. It is just part of my own… it is part of my attorney work, my judicial work. I have more clients than the SSPX. This is a completely unrelated client. Siscoe: Another company name that is mentioned is Jaidhofer Foundation. Can you discuss this company? Krah: Yes, this is linked with the SSPX, and it is absolutely no secret. There is a family in Austria which wanted to donate to the SSPX, but did not want to donate directly. They wanted to establish a foundation that would support the SSPX. And in every foundation you need some trustees. It’s a kind of trust, and I am one of the trustees. I was chosen by the family who established the foundation, firstly because I am a Traditional Catholic attorney with links to the SSPX, and secondly because of my professional record. This foundation is supporting the SSPX and using the money which was donated by this family. As an example, it is supporting the new Seminary project in Virginia. It has nothing to do with individual donations people give to the SSPX. Everything we do is completely transparent. We are supervised both by the General House of the SSPX, and by the Austrian tax authority, because we are philanthropic, and that means we are tax free. We must always open our books to the public authorities. So we have two supervisors, so to say, and everything we do is completely transparent and clean. Siscoe: So, the inheritance was received into the trust, to be distributed, and no other funds go into it… Krah: Nothing. Siscoe: Okay… Krah: …Except, if someone would like to do it. For example, if they were to request that money be placed into the foundation. And if someone did request that, the SSPX would have to agree. That means, the donor would have to agree, and the SSPX would have to agree. But we have had no case yet in which this has happened. Siscoe: So Sunday donations don’t go into it… Krah: Nothing. Siscoe: Okay… Krah: …The Sunday donations are not our business, and I don’t want to make it our business. It is completely foreign to anything we are interested in. Siscoe: Alright, moving on to another rumor, are you connected in any way with the Society’s School St. Theresa… Krah: The German district started a foundation to support this boarding school in Germany, and I am on the board of the supporting foundation. But the only task we have is to collect money for the school, and that’s about it. It is important to mention that the school is now constructing a new building. Siscoe: You say collecting funds… Krah: …Only from the outside. Not the Sunday donations. Siscoe: It is said that you are ‘a prominent political activist and officer in Dresden, Germany, and member of the ‘liberal, pro-abortion, pro-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, Christian Democratic Union, led by Angela Merkel’. How would you respond to this accusation? Krah: [chuckle] Yes, of course. I even ran for office this past summer. I ran in the primary for the national parliament. And I was quite successful too, although I lost at the end, 45 to 55 [chuckle], but this was quite okay for a newcomer challenging an incuмbent. But I disagree with the characterization. Like in every country, in Germany you have two big parties. In the US, you have the Democrats and the Republicans. In Germany, you have the Social Democrats and the Christian Democrats. The CDU [Christian Democrats], you could say is the party of the Republicans, which is center right. Siscoe: So, the party you ran under, they would be considered the right in Germany? Krah: Yes, they would be considered the right. And indeed, during my law studies I was employed by the then-member of parliament, Christa Reichard, who, for instance, is very strongly pro-life. And she would be very angry if she heard a rumor that she is a member of a leftist party. To make it understandable, when the unification came, the Catholics, and even the conservative Protestants, and anti-communists, joined the Christian Democrats. And even now, all positions in the State of Saxony and in the City are held by Christian Democrats, so that the mayor of the city, and the governor and all local congressman on the State and national level, are from the Christian Democrats. It is just the ruling party, and it is the party of the center right people. And as a citizen of my city, since I am not a left-winger and have never been, it is clear that the Christian Democrat is my political home. Siscoe: So, the Christian Democrats would be comparable to the Republicans in America? Krah: Yes generally, but in Europe the political scene is a little more left wing than in America. The left-wing Democrats in America are comparable to the Social Democrats in Germany, while the right wing Democrats and the moderate Republicans in America are comparable to the Christian Democrats in Germany. Siscoe: So everything is a little farther to the left. The left is farther to the left, and the right is closer to the center? Krah: Yes, exactly. And it is especially where I live and in my group, in my suburb. It is comparable to, I would say, East Coast Republicans. Siscoe: It is said that you were charged with the responsibility of finding an attorney for Bishop Williamson in his h0Ɩ0cαųst trial, and you chose Matthias Lossmann, a member of the extreme left wing Die Grünen party [Green Party], a radical leftist party that favors everything from abortion to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. Can you comment on this? Krah: First, regarding the Williamson case. It is obvious to me that the statement he made concerning the h0Ɩ0cαųst is historically wrong, and he is not open to arguments of historical facts. But, as a lawyer, it was clear to me that he did not violate the German law because, in the moment he made his statement, his wrong statement, he had no idea that the interview would be broadcasted in Germany. This is the whole reason why I believe he is not guilty of having violated the German law. I am not a criminal lawyer, so I had to find one for him. And in such a case I would always highly recommend to take a criminal lawyer, who was under no circuмstances linked with, in any way, pro-nαzι movements. To explain, the neo-nαzι movement in Germany is extremely small. It is maybe 1% of the population. It is absolutely small, and you usually don’t want to be linked with those persons, because they are exactly the persons you don’t want your kids to play with. And so, to make his defense as successful as possible, I highly recommended him to choose an attorney which was more to the left side so that he can focus on the legal aspects, and was completely free of any political implications in his case. I explained it to him and I introduced Lossmann to him. Lossmann is a widely accepted criminal lawyer, who publishes in research journals on criminal law. He is not as left as the rumors have presented him, because even the Greens [the Green Party], has two wings. And he is definitely not from the left wing of the party. He is, I would say, comparable to an East Coast Liberal. That means he is definitely not a Communist or anything like that. He is just a liberal citizen, interested in the fine arts, and maybe in the fine wine. I introduced both to each other. I explained the reason why I think we needed a more liberal person, than I am myself, and most of my colleagues, with whom I usually cooperate. The Bishop absolutely was fine. Lossmann was doing a great job, and then Bishop Williamson decided, without any explanation, to choose a different attorney… Siscoe: …So when you initially presented Bishop Williamson with your recommendation, and the reasoning for your recommendation, he agreed? Krah: I explained everything and made it transparent. And he understood and agreed. Siscoe: And then he at some point changed attorneys? Krah: Yes, and he changed to a completely unacceptable person, and he got a warning from the General House [of the SSPX] and changed lawyers once again. Now he has chosen, once again, a completely un-political lawyer, who by the way is the president of the Association for Pop Music. He is doing a brilliant job, just as Lossmann did. They argue exactly the same way. They don’t argue in any way politically or historically. They say “look this is the law. This is what he has done. He had no idea at the time he gave the interview that it could be broadcasted in Germany, so the case will not have a successful prosecution”. And it is the same argumentation, and the same style of defending. It is a deduction to the legal problems, and does not involve bringing the historical and political matters into the court room. And this is the only chance he has. This is what Lossmann did, and this is what Edgar Weiler is now doing. And in the middle, he had, for I guess one week, another approach, and I’m sure this other approach would have led to a catastrophe. Siscoe: Can you explain your involvement with the Society when “the Williamson affair” first broke? What was the Society facing in Germany, and what did you do to assist the SSPX in this matter? Krah: The interview was broadcast at the same time that the Pope lifted the so-called excommunications against the Bishops of the SSPX, including Bishop Williamson. So the headlines in Germany were “Pope rehabilitates h0Ɩ0cαųst-denier”, and the SSPX became seen as a neo-nαzι-group in the masquerade of religion. The Chancellor herself expressed her misunderstanding about the Papal decision in favor of Bishop Williamson. The German District made plenty of public declarations, expressing that Bishop Williamson is in no way speaking for the SSPX and pointing out that the SSPX has absolutely no acceptance for anti-Semitism and such wrong ideas on history. But no one believed it, because no one trusted them. Many of the Faithful, and even some priests, began to get nervous, and demanded clear action against Bishop Williamson. Some even began attending the Fraternity of Saint Peter or Motu Proprio masses. In this serious situation, I was asked if I could help quiet things down by using my network of associates, and especially my connection into the media. Like in all countries, only a few media outlets have national impact. The Church’s correspondent scene is very small, about 10 journalists for the whole of Germany. Most of them are aligned with the Novus Ordo, which means they are incurably hostile against the SSPX. One of the rare exceptions is Peter Wensierski of Der Spiegel – The Mirror – who is really independent, which also means he is equally distant, some say equally hostile, to everybody. But as he is equal toward everyone, he was honest enough to state that the SSPX might be ultra-conservative, old-fashioned, etc., but they are certainly not nαzιs. He is tough, but he is fair. Whatever one thinks of the SSPX, they are not even close to fascism or the nαzιs. And since Der Spiegel is the “must-read” of the whole German elite, within two weeks the other media accepted the distinction of: the position of the SSPX, and the opinion of the one bishop. It could be seen in the wording of the headlines: Whilst before there was written about “these h0Ɩ0cαųst-deniers”, then it was distinguished between the “conservative group SSPX” and “the h0Ɩ0cαųst-denying Bishop Williamson”. We had just one shot, and it hit. Clearly a sign of grace. I sometimes wonder myself how we succeeded. Siscoe: But this wasn´t the end of it. Krah: No, it was just a step. But it brought us back on track. It gave us credibility. We then communicated that the Superior General has given Bishop Williamson one year to study the facts and ordered him to read a book on the issue, written by Jean-Claude Pressac, who himself had doubts about the existence of gas chambers in Auschwitz and later changed his mind after he started to look into the facts. This gave us a one year respite, and the media stopped it´s attacks, waiting for the year to pass by. Bishop Williamson did not read the book. So when the year was over, we had to explain it. We just chose to be honest and transparent. We showed the efforts taken by the SSPX, but we also conceded that there was no influence on the Bishop, who has started to go his own way, unfortunately. In the end, we were able to successfully communicate that the SSPX in no way shared these views of Bishop Williamson. Siscoe: How were you able to influence the media? Krah: By plenty of behind-the-scene talks. I went to many distinguished journalists and explained to them the SSPX, its mission, its history. Most of them were completely unaware. Look, for us all of these issues are very present; we live them, and are familiar with them. But for outsiders, the SSPX is something unknown; at least it was so in 2009. For a liberal journalist, who is not practicing religion at all, the idea of saying Mass in an ancient language like Latin is somehow curious. You have to explain it to him in a way he can understand. You have to convince, instead of judge. This is what I did and what I still do. And as I am far away from every kind of political extremism, and always have been, they considered me to be trustworthy, which allowed me to influence them in favor of the SSPX. This is something I would like to point out in general; we should always take in consideration the background and the thinking of our counterparts. Most people are not hostile. They are just uninformed. Instead of judging them, we should explain our views. In most cases we will see an acceptance, and in some cases, even support. Siscoe: If you don’t mind my asking, what impact did “the Williamson affair” have on the current developments concerning Bishop Williamson? Krah: I am not involved in these current events. As far as I know, the 2009 affair is unrelated to the current threat of expulsion. Look, the affair of 2009 was settled with the final article in “Der Spiegel” early in 2010. Since that time, the public has distinguished between the official position of the SSPX and the private opinion of Bishop Williamson. What has happened since then is that Bishop Williamson has openly undermined authority and hierarchy, which has caused division within the SSPX. This is an internal affair, for which my advice is neither required nor requested. This is the core business of the superiors. I am used to mediate between the SSPX and different sorts of secular players: judges, journalists, politicians, state officials, bankers. But I have no share in internal affairs. Here I am an ordinary faithful like all others. And I´m happy with that. Siscoe: There is another rumor claiming that you were fundraising for Tel Aviv University. Can you fill us in on that? Krah: Yes, of course. I have a lot of friends, including many who are not Catholic. And I have Jєωιѕн friends, which I appreciate very much. They are wonderful people, and there is absolutely no reason for me to hide them, or to take their friendship into question. So, with that said, I have no understanding for these accusations or insinuations. They are my friends, and they can trust me as I trust them. I was in New York one evening when I received a phone call asking if I had plans for the night, which I hadn’t. But my friend had one, and we went to a reception in a gallery in Chelsea, and there were plenty of people, both Jєωιѕн and non-Jєωιѕн, from different countries, and it was hosted by the American Friends of Tel Aviv University, and of course they took pictures [chuckle], and they posted them on the internet, and this gave those people reason enough to attack me without asking me what happened. It was just a nice evening, a gathering, in New York City. I´d attend it again, even if I knew about the rumors it caused. Siscoe: To clarify, you are not a member of The American Friends of Tel Aviv University, and you did not organize this event? Krah: No, to both questions. Siscoe: There is another picture online as well that has caused some controversy. It shows you attending an IDF military camp recruitment event. Can you explain? Krah: Yes, it was not a recruitment event. One of my friends got married in the Negev Desert, and he invited friends from all over the world, including my wife and me. He generously arranged a tour, which included both the Via Dolorosa in Jerusalem and a visit into a military camp, so we could have a personal impression of what the Israeli army is doing. It was, you could say, a tourist tour, on the way from Jerusalem to the Negev Desert, and included a luncheon. We were able to visit them and talk to them, in order to get a personal impression of the military. And as far as I know, it is widely common for groups that visit the State of Israel to arrange these kinds of tours. I received an e-mail from a member of the city council in Dresden, who told me that he himself had taken part in similar events. So, for me it was an interesting invitation. And as I was a German soldier for one year after High School, I enjoyed the opportunity to see how things are done in the IDF. Maybe a word about… it is common to read things on the internet about the State of Israel. Let’s bring it back to history. In the middle ages, Christianity made several Crusades to the Holy Land for one reason: to get the holy places open so we would have access to them for Pilgrimages. We have, currently, more Pilgrimages to the Holy Land than ever in the past. We had more in 2012 than in 2011, and more in 2011 than in 2010, and in 2010 we had more than ever since. That means, the holy places are open; they get protected. They are safe, and there is money invested. And the Catholic Church gets tax benefits by the Israeli government in that country. I don’t know anybody who believes that, if this country was under Islamic rule, we would have nearly as many Pilgrims there, and free access. And even the Pilgrim groups from the SSPX Germany, that go from Jerusalem and Nazareth to Bethlehem, always stay in a hotel on the other side of the wall – the Israeli side. If you just see facts and reality, than we have to say it is hard to attack those authorities that provide open access to those holy places. This is what I say: just calm down and judge by facts. We have to see the facts as they are, and we have to see that there are plenty of people living there. They have police, everything is organized, and they do not harm the Christians there. And there is also a rising group of so-called Hebrew Catholics, who are converted Israeli Citizens. We have none of those in the Islamic countries. I only can warn all those Christians who are so opposite, or hostile against the Israeli State, what would happen if that State would disappear. We would have a lot of problems with our holy places. And what would happen to the Christians in that country if we had a change on the political landscape? And so I have absolutely no problem to say that I have a positive attitude towards the state of Israel. The world is not perfect. It never has been. There are wars always. There is a state of imperfection. And if we see this, if we see the reality, we can say it could be much worse. And this should lead us to a more distinguished position towards the political situation in the Holy Land. Siscoe: Another rumor is that the Society paid for your MBA program. Is there any truth to that? Krah: Absolutely not! I paid on my own. Siscoe: Okay… Krah: …I paid the fees on my own, the flights on my own and the hotel on my own. The problem that lawyers usually have is that they are too nationally trained. And especially in Europe, we see the world changing and a changing economic landscape, and only national training brings us very quickly to limits, and that is why I invested into further education, and spent my savings including some help from my parents for this MBA, and enjoyed it and benefited from it very much. Siscoe: So the Society didn’t pay for any of your education. Krah: No. Siscoe: Has it been difficult to deal with the rumors and accusations made against you? Krah: It is never a pleasure to be the victim of a stalking campaign. But these attacks on me were used as an indirect attack against the Superior General and other Superiors like Fr. Rostand. In 2010, when the attacks against me began, the stalkers were still too scrupulous to attack Bishop Fellay directly. Since then, they have lost all inhibitions. And the more open they attacked the hierarchy itself, the less they focused on me – which reveals their true intention. When I see all the hate and malice against such a noble and decent prelate as Bishop Fellay, I can hardly think that those attacks against me are very serious. I try not to take myself as being too important, and so I don´t care too much about these attacks. Most people don´t take this nonsense seriously, and once people meet me and hear my side of the story they realize that the rumors are nonsense. This gives me an inner peace. And, not to forget: Faith helps, especially in such situations of unjust attacks. We shall not fear the evil, as we can be sure to win at the end. Siscoe: Is there something you have learned thru these attacks? Krah: I learned a lot about how people act, but also about myself. What seems to me worth mentioning is that the most serious attacks against the SSPX are coming from inside. The self-declared “truest Catholics” slander, slur, and defame in a way which is intolerable and beyond everything we see even in the secular world. Without any respect for dignity and sacrality… even the Superior General is the victim of odious attacks. The forces of darkness are no longer restricted to external weapons, but have found their instruments in some weak and unbalanced persons within. It seems to me that we are not yet fully aware of this new danger. Siscoe: Is there anything else you would like to add before we conclude? Krah: Yes, I´d like very much to advocate a more optimistic world view. If you read those internet sites that attack me, usually they expect the Armageddon within the next two years, if not sooner. Even if I expected the Armageddon tomorrow, I´d still plant my apple tree today. If we look at how things are happening, we can see that the Conciliar epoch will come to an end. The Conciliarists don’t have young people. Young priests today tend to classical Traditional Catholicism, and those young people who still go to Mass, are usually not the left wingers. It is just a matter of time before the Traditional liturgy and theology will get back its place. And the same for society; of course we have a lot of developments in the wrong direction, but we also have developments in the right direction. We have both at the same time, but 10 years ago, 20 years ago, things were only moving in the wrong direction. We did not have these newly conservative and Traditional movements. Today we have a new fresh conservative spirit and conservative thinking which is growing, which is becoming strong and stronger. And I just recommend to be optimistic, and to look for allies under those newly conservative movements; because together we are strong, and we can stop this left-wing chaos, and against it we might set a positive attitude and a positive development towards a rebirth of Western civilization and Christianity. So stay optimistic! What can happen to a movement that knows the Almighty is on its side? Doesn´t it shows a lack of trust in God to be always that pessimistic and depressed? And don’t believe in such rumors and stalking campaigns. There is no reason for it, and you can be sure that the Society would not trust me if just one of those accusations were even half true. Sure, I sometime err. But I am completely supervised. Siscoe: Thank you very much for your time, and for answering these questions. Krah: Thank you… and maybe… We both know what is likely to happen next. The Maximilian Krah stalking community will take every word I said in this interview and try to turn it in it´s opposite. Just to remember: I am not an English native speaker. English is a second language for me. But I think everyone who has a sense of fairness will be able to understand what I have tried to express. I am simply a Catholic husband and father who is trying live his Faith and to do the best he can. |
Who is the prior at the Shrine in Quito, does anyone know? I couldn't find it with a google search.
I'm pretty sure it's not Fr. Purdy, ....
How can Fr Purdy be a prior at a novus ordo convent, or any convent for that matter? Convents for nuns have prioresses, not priors.
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Anyway this is on the SSPX website:
Rev. Adam Purdy, Chaplain
SSPX Third Order
Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God Priory
2656 Warners Road Warners, NY 13164
315-422-8127 | email (third-order@sspx.org?subject=SSPX%20Third%20Order)