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  • What original docuмents are you referring to? If you are talking about the docuмent released by the convent, it is not credible.
    Why not?

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  • Why not?

    There are three articles written by TIA demonstrating that the SSPX put the convent up to it.
    The SSPX inserted their "change agent" at the convent for at least four years. She even arranged for the implementation of a website, only to make the name change announcement.  Fr. Purdy admits he doesn't know Spanish and the Mother Superior doesn't know English.   There is no real scholarship to justify the change.  The SSPX colluded with Quito's Novus ordo bishop for Shrine access for the purpose of ousting the TFP.   The SSPX made themselves conciliar kosher and they hope to establish dominance at the Shrine.
    Why?  The SSPX nowadays functions like a pushy corporation that wants world prestige, publicity and more money.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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  • There are three articles written by TIA demonstrating that the SSPX put the convent up to it.
    The SSPX inserted their "change agent" at the convent for at least four years. She even arranged for the implementation of a website, only to make the name change announcement.  Fr. Purdy admits he doesn't know Spanish and the Mother Superior doesn't know English.   There is no real scholarship to justify the change.  The SSPX colluded with Quito's Novus ordo bishop for Shrine access for the purpose of ousting the TFP.   The SSPX made themselves conciliar kosher and they hope to establish dominance at the Shrine.
    Why?  The SSPX nowadays functions like a pushy corporation that wants world prestige, publicity and more money.

    How do you know that the Mother Superior doesn't know English?

    How do you know that there has been no real scholarship to justify the change?

    How do you know that the SSPX colluded with Quito's Novus Ordo bishop for shrine access for the purpose of ousting the TFP?

    Is it only by the word of Guimaraes that you believe the above is true?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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  • Darn... they're just not getting what we're saying :confused:

    Maybe I'll keep it simple and "connect" with Prof Cera using the native language ?

    Here goes:

    "Ito ay malungkot na ang Ama Purdy lamang ay may Jade, Meg at Cera upang itago sa likod. Nasaan ang mga lalaki ng SSPX?"

    Translated:
    It is so sad that Father Purdy only has Jade, Meg and Cera to hide behind.  Where are the SSPX men?

    You believe that both Cera and I are agents of the SSPX?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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  • How do you know that the Mother Superior doesn't know English?

    How do you know that there has been no real scholarship to justify the change?

    How do you know that the SSPX colluded with Quito's Novus Ordo bishop for shrine access for the purpose of ousting the TFP?

    Is it only by the word of Guimaraes that you believe the above is true?
    How do you know that the Mother Superior knows English?

    How do you know that there is any scholarship to justify the change to Our Lady of Buen Suceso of the Purification?

    How do you know that the SSPX did not colluded with Quito's Novus Ordo bishop for shrine access?

    Is it only by the word of (? Cera? a little voice in your ear?)  that you believe whatever you believe (of course no one has a clue what you believer because you are all over the place)






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  • You believe that both Cera and I are agents of the SSPX?
    No, not unless the SSPX is trying to all destroy devotion to Our Lady of Good Success. You two could destroy the optimism of an ice lemonade salesman in the desert.  

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  • How do you know that the Mother Superior knows English?

    How do you know that there is any scholarship to justify the change to Our Lady of Buen Suceso of the Purification?

    How do you know that the SSPX did not colluded with Quito's Novus Ordo bishop for shrine access?

    Is it only by the word of (? Cera? a little voice in your ear?)  that you believe whatever you believe (of course no one has a clue what you believer because you are all over the place)




    Yeah, don't answer the questions, just respond with questions. How typical.

    Guimaraes has made certain claims, and I am asking how any of his followers know these claims to be true. If you can't verify any of his claims, then just say so. But of course you won't do that. We don't even know that anything he has written regarding the Shrine is true. 

    I haven't written any articles that make claims about the Shrine in Quito.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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  • Meg,

    Through this series of posts,  I think we've determined your SSPX impartiality has been a coy act.


     To Fr. Purdy:

     Please ask your superior if you may come on this forum to explain your position about the SSPX's Quito activities.
     Tradition In Action has made serious accusations concerning you and your Order's purpose in Quito.
     It is fitting that the SSPX make a statement on the matter.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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  • Yeah, don't answer the questions, just respond with questions. How typical.
    As a Catholic woman, when you talk to men, you need to learn to talk with humility, ask questions when you want to learn something and do not attempt to teach men. I hope that at least for Holy Week you will abandon CI, though you really should abandon it altogether, for you spend far too much time writing nothing of value to you or anyone else. 


    Instructions to Women
    In like manner women also in decent apparel: adorning themselves with modesty and sobriety, not with plaited hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly attire, But as it becometh women professing godliness, with good works. Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection.  But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.  For Adam was first formed; then Eve.  And Adam was not seduced; but the woman being seduced, was in the transgression.  Yet she shall be saved through childbearing; if she continue in faith, and love, and sanctification, with sobriety. 1Tim 2:9-15
     




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  • My only issue is really with the absurdity of the title change of Our Lady of Good Success to the title of Our Lady of Buen Suceso of the Purification, a Spanglish title and obviously not thought out in the least. It will be an impossible mission to even think of changing the title to a complete English translation (which Fr. Purdy has not even suggested) , but to even come up with the idea to change it to Spanglish, is moronic.

    As far as the rest of the rumblings, removing the TIA people, doing a procession every day, the mother superior and Fr. Purdy do not speak English...…….. it is of no cocern to me for It does not affect me. However, one way I discern truth is to study the history of the person. Guimaraes has written volumes, VOLUMES, in his life and I have never caught him lying, while the neo-SSPX is to say the least, not very transparent. Judging ones intelligence from their ideas, Guimaraes is one of the smartest trads of my times. While Fr. Purdy with this "idea" of changing the name to Spanglish, my first and only experience listening to him, has made himself appear a moron. By their deeds you shall know them.

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  • . Guimaraes has written volumes, VOLUMES, in his life and I have never caught him lying,
    Cult followers are taught not to use their critical thinking skills, which is why cult followers believe that their cult leader never lies.

    When a cult leader writes VOLUMES it means they write 99% of truth to suck in their targets, and then they slip in the significant 1% of lies.

    The next time Atila writes, perhaps he will respond to the credible, well-docuмented charge that he prayed to Plinio while Plinio was still alive. His prayer was: I am not the one who is alive but it is My Lord [Plinio] that lives in me.

    The next time Atila writes, perhaps he will respond to the credible, well-docuмented charge that he prayed --"Hail, Luigi Plinio Elia (official name of Plinio in the Holy Slavery), full of love and hate, the Blessed Virgin is with you. You are blessed among the faithful, and the fruit of your love and your hatred, which is the counterrevolution, is blessed. Oh holy Luigi Plinio Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. "

    Perhaps he will respond to the credible, well-docuмented charge that he was a member of a secret society within TFP. Slave # 11 to the "prophet" Plinio. He can explain why he laid, prostrate upon the ground in front of Dr. Plinio.

    For those who are not cult members, here is the docuмent.


    Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG

    The following declaration was registered at the Public Archives (August 24, 1984) and published on March 14 1985 in the newspaper La Folha de Manha.

    I, the undersigned, Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG (General Registry) 3706587, SP, marital status - unmarried, living in Curitiba (Brazil), Manoel C. so Ribas, No 418, swear to be true that when I belonged to the TFP, Brazilian Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, in 1967 I entered into a secret society of that association, known as "Sacred Slavery" [Sempre Viva], also known by its members as "Still Living".

    The members of this secret society have made a consecration of themselves as slaves of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira in the same sense in which St. Louis de Montfort Grignion recommended it be done for the Madonna. For this consecration, as a slave to Dr. Plinio, was used the same text drawn up by St. Louis for the consecration to Our Lady, with some adaptation. We proceeded in this manner because Dr. Plinio was considered to have the same spirit as the Madonna, because his spirit was one with the Wisdom and Immaculate Heart of Mary. The members of that society prayed every day using the following prayer of "Sacred Slavery", composed by Dr. Plinio himself:

    "Immaculate Heart of Mary and Wisdom, in the atmosphere of our days when all men are free, are drunk on freedom, I offer myself to you, a slave, to be like the last of the men referred to by My Lord [Plinio]. I offer myself in the atmosphere of these days in which everything speaks of naturalism, so that my life is entirely supernatural.

    I am not the one who is alive but it is My Lord [Plinio] that lives in me. From him everything comes to me, his spirit is living in me, and I can imitate in this union of  slavery, everything that he is. In the climate of our days, without greatness, without horizons, given over to optimism and mediocrity, time will bring great events to us, with great horizons, in which I will have to live as a hero of the same magnitude as My Lord [Plinio]. Looking inside myself and seeing a lot of smallness, I know that faith requires me to imitate My Lord [Plinio], and I will make of myself a perfect Apostle of the Last Times, according to the prophetic prayer of St. Louis de Montfort Grignion. In all this I ask My Lord [Plinio] to help my unbelief. "

    Prayers were also recited to him [Plinio], as a parody of the Ave Maria, which incorporate the prophecies of St. Louis, St. Elias and himself:

    "Hail, Luigi Plinio Elia (official name of Plinio in the Holy Slavery), full of love and hate, the Blessed Virgin is with you. You are blessed among the faithful, and the fruit of your love and your hatred, which is the counterrevolution, is blessed. Oh holy Luigi Plinio Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. "

    Also recited was the rosary using the adapted 'Ave Maria'. Even the meetings began with the same 'Ave Maria', the official prayer of the Holy Slavery and with the ejaculation: "Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary! Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, the faithful slave, Immaculate Heart of Wisdom and Mary!" There was also a Litany for him, the 'Doctor', and they said that the prayers had been composed by Marcos Ribeiro Dantas (slave Plinio Paul).

    In one of these ejaculatory prayers to Dr. Plinio it was prayed: "The forerunner of Elijah, pray for us!"

    Dr. Plinio imparted the blessing to his slaves. Sometimes, when they received it, they were stretched out on the floor, face upwards, and then Dr. Plinio laid his right foot on the face and gave his blessing, saying: "Benedictio Matris et Mediatricis descendat super vos et semper maneat ".

    The slaves of Dr. Plinio had the habit of confessing to him, confessing their failings and even their sins. After the accusation, if the slave asked for a penance, Dr Plinio had the habit of giving three slaps to the face of the slave. Following this, he would impart the blessing.

    The entry into "Sempre Vivente" took place by means of a ceremony that lasted several hours, in Via Alagoas, on the second floor of the house, and sometimes in other places.

    Dr. Plinio sat on a small throne with the habit and the mantle of the Third Order. The assistants used a habit without the mantle. The person who was about to be introduced to that company relaxed, as if dead, prostrate upon the ground in front of Dr. Plinio. At this point, from Dr. Plinio, was received the order to stand up to receive a new life and he [Plinio] intoned: "Exsurge." This meant that the person had died and was born a new man, a slave of the prophet, an Apostle of the Last Times.

    The person then fulfilled his consecration as a slave and delivered his whole being, material and spiritual, to Dr. Plinio. Symbolic objects were used. Dr. Plinio acquired an absolute right, as with the old slave of the Roman Law, except for the right to life and death. That is why they call it "Dominus Plinius."

    The ceremony continued with the feet and hands of the Prophet [Plinio] being kissed by the slave. Then, Dr. Plinio left the throne and there sat his new slave, since he was a new Plinio. Dr. Plinio kissed the feet and hands of his new slave.

    So, the effect was of a transforming union that took place between them; one living in the other. The slave was a new Plinio. For this reason was adopted the name of Plinio composed with that of another, of a patron and a title of Our Lady. For example, I chose to become Plinio Bernardo Dimas Longinos of Our Lady, Queen of the Holy Apostles of the Last Times. I was known as Plinio Dimas.

    We could not communicate with other members of TFP the existence of "Sacred Slavery," because - of course - of the nature of this secret society.

    The twelve first slaves were:

    1) Caio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Mário.
    2) Eduardo Barros Brotero - Plinio Eduardo.
    3) Luiz Nazareno of Assunpção Filho - Plinio Luiz.
    4) João Clá Dias Scognamiglio - Plinio Fernando.
    5) Humberto Braccesi - Plinio Cirineu.
    6) Fernando Siqueira - Plinio Bernardo.
    7) Carlos Espírito Hofmeister Poly - Plinio Jose.
     Marcos Ribeiro Dantes - Plinio Paulo.
    9) Mário Navarro da Costa - Plinio Elias.
    10) Dom Bertrand de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio Miguel.
    11) Atila Sinke Guimarães - Plinio Márcio.
    12) Becca Cosme Varella Hijo - Plinio Lázaro.

    Over time other people entered the "Still Living". They are:

    13) Plinio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Elizeu.
    14) Paulo Corrêa de Brito Filho - Plinio Jeremias.
    15) Luiz Filipe Ablas - Plinio Dimas.
    16) "X" - Plinio Inácio.
    17) Dom Luiz de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio da Cruz.
    18) Marcelino Antônio Pereira de Almeida - Plinio Francisco.
    19) Edson Neves da Silva - Plinio Batista.
    20) Fernando Antunes Aldunate - Plinio Longinos.
    21) Leo Nino Doscolo Daniele - Plinio Tobias.
    22) Fernando Furquin de Almeida Filho - Plinio Amen.
    23) Martim Afonso Xavier da Silveira Jr. - Plinio Pedro.
    24) Sergio Bidueira - Plinio Hildebrando.
    25) Jose Lucio de Araújo Correia - Plinio Ezquiel.
    26) Julio Ubeold - Plinio Tomaz.
    27) Fernado Teles - Plinio Leofredo.
    28) Roberto Guerreiro - Plinio Agostinho.
    29) Afonso Becar Verella - Plinio Ambros.
    30) Miguel Becar Verella - Plinio Domingos.
    31) Carlos Viano - Plinio Godofredo.
    32) The Argentine, Escurra - Plinio Leon.
    33) Carlos Antunez Aldunate - Plinio Emanuel.
    34) Jaime Antunez Aldunate - Plinio Gregório.
    35) Gonzalo Larrain - slave Plinio Caetano.
    36) Patricio Larrain - Plinio João.
    37) Patrício Amunategui - Plinio Santiago.
    38) Casté  - Plinio Joaquim.
    39) Pedro Paulo Figueiredo - Plinio Jacó.
    40) Carlos Alberto Soares Correia - Plinio Athens.
    41) Aloisio Torres - Plinio Macabeu.
    42) Roberto Esper Kalás - Plinio Bento.
    43) Paulo Roberto Rosa - Plinio Tiago.
    44) Paulo Cesar Nascimento - Plinio Henoch.
    45) Lúcio Montes - Plinio Estevão.
    46) "Y" - Plinio Afonso.
    47) João Carlos Leal da Costa - Plinio Matatias.
    48) Francisco Xavier Tosto - Plinio Isaias.
    49) José Antônio Tosto - Plinio Sebastian.
    50) "Z" - Plinio Clovis.
    51) Guerreiro Dantas - Plinio Davi.
    52) Rivoira - Plinio Hermenegildo.
    53) Alejandro Bravo - Plinio Samuel.
    54) Carlos Ybarguren - Plinio Antonio.
    55) Nelsie Fragelli - Plinio Tomé.
    56) Fernado Larrain - Plinio ?.

    There were others who, at the time, were not received in "Still Life", but were still slaves of Dr. Plinio. For example: Antonio Candido Lara Ducci - slave Ducci and Carlos Eduardo Schafer - slave Schafer.

    Speaking of his power and his slaves, Dr. Plinio asked: "What is the power of the pope in comparison to everything?"

    It was said amongst the slaves that the "Secret of Mary", of St. Louis de Montfort, is probably the establishment of the "Sacred Slavery" in respect to Dr Plinio.

    Dr. Plinio was then designated by the nickname of "Mary", because the slave of Mary was the slave of Plinio.

    The slaves used to ask for the granting of petitions, kneeling in front of Dr. Plinio. For example, Cosme Becca Varella Hijo, in his consecration, urged "My Lord" the grace to become a widower.

    I would also like to declare that I, myself, was consecrated to the son of Dona Lucilia [mother of Plinio], kneeling on her grave, in the presence of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira and his personal guards.


    Curitiba, 24 August 1984
    Luiz Filipe de Freitas Guimaraes Abias


    Witnesses to the deposition:
    Orlando Fedeli 1,433,401, RG
    Giulio Folen 2,481,149, RG.

    Cartorio Ramos, Second Office of Civil Status Registration, Securities and Docuмents, Via Mal. Floriano Peixoto, 986 - Tel.224-2444.

    Statement made on this day. Written and recorded on microfilm (No. 544948). File Number: 330009.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary


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  • Judging ones intelligence from their ideas, Guimaraes is one of the smartest trads of my times.

    How intelligent can Guimaraes really be, since there is good evidence that he did consecrate himself as a slave to another man - Plinio de Oliveira. You don't find that just a little bit troubling? If Guimaraes had renounced his former actions, that might help.

    Guimaraes is reported to have said: "I am not the one who is alive but it is my Lord [Plinio] who lives in me." And that's only one part of that bizarre situation.

    You may trust that Guimaraes is never wrong, but the rest of us don't have to agree with that. I've not seen anything that corroborates Guimaraes' accusations regarding the shrine at Quito. For all I know, he could have made it all up.

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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  • Cult followers are taught not to use their critical thinking skills, which is why cult followers believe that their cult leader never lies.

    When a cult leader writes VOLUMES it means they write 99% of truth to suck in their targets, and then they slip in the significant 1% of lies.

    The next time Atila writes, perhaps he will respond to the credible, well-docuмented charge that he prayed to Plinio while Plinio was still alive. His prayer was: I am not the one who is alive but it is My Lord [Plinio] that lives in me.

    The next time Atila writes, perhaps he will respond to the credible, well-docuмented charge that he prayed --"Hail, Luigi Plinio Elia (official name of Plinio in the Holy Slavery), full of love and hate, the Blessed Virgin is with you. You are blessed among the faithful, and the fruit of your love and your hatred, which is the counterrevolution, is blessed. Oh holy Luigi Plinio Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. "

    Perhaps he will respond to the credible, well-docuмented charge that he was a member of a secret society within TFP. Slave # 11 to the "prophet" Plinio. He can explain why he laid, prostrate upon the ground in front of Dr. Plinio.

    For those who are not cult members, here is the docuмent.


    Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG

    The following declaration was registered at the Public Archives (August 24, 1984) and published on March 14 1985 in the newspaper La Folha de Manha.

    I, the undersigned, Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG (General Registry) 3706587, SP, marital status - unmarried, living in Curitiba (Brazil), Manoel C. so Ribas, No 418, swear to be true that when I belonged to the TFP, Brazilian Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, in 1967 I entered into a secret society of that association, known as "Sacred Slavery" [Sempre Viva], also known by its members as "Still Living".

    The members of this secret society have made a consecration of themselves as slaves of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira in the same sense in which St. Louis de Montfort Grignion recommended it be done for the Madonna. For this consecration, as a slave to Dr. Plinio, was used the same text drawn up by St. Louis for the consecration to Our Lady, with some adaptation. We proceeded in this manner because Dr. Plinio was considered to have the same spirit as the Madonna, because his spirit was one with the Wisdom and Immaculate Heart of Mary. The members of that society prayed every day using the following prayer of "Sacred Slavery", composed by Dr. Plinio himself:

    "Immaculate Heart of Mary and Wisdom, in the atmosphere of our days when all men are free, are drunk on freedom, I offer myself to you, a slave, to be like the last of the men referred to by My Lord [Plinio]. I offer myself in the atmosphere of these days in which everything speaks of naturalism, so that my life is entirely supernatural.

    I am not the one who is alive but it is My Lord [Plinio] that lives in me. From him everything comes to me, his spirit is living in me, and I can imitate in this union of  slavery, everything that he is. In the climate of our days, without greatness, without horizons, given over to optimism and mediocrity, time will bring great events to us, with great horizons, in which I will have to live as a hero of the same magnitude as My Lord [Plinio]. Looking inside myself and seeing a lot of smallness, I know that faith requires me to imitate My Lord [Plinio], and I will make of myself a perfect Apostle of the Last Times, according to the prophetic prayer of St. Louis de Montfort Grignion. In all this I ask My Lord [Plinio] to help my unbelief. "

    Prayers were also recited to him [Plinio], as a parody of the Ave Maria, which incorporate the prophecies of St. Louis, St. Elias and himself:

    "Hail, Luigi Plinio Elia (official name of Plinio in the Holy Slavery), full of love and hate, the Blessed Virgin is with you. You are blessed among the faithful, and the fruit of your love and your hatred, which is the counterrevolution, is blessed. Oh holy Luigi Plinio Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. "

    Also recited was the rosary using the adapted 'Ave Maria'. Even the meetings began with the same 'Ave Maria', the official prayer of the Holy Slavery and with the ejaculation: "Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary! Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, the faithful slave, Immaculate Heart of Wisdom and Mary!" There was also a Litany for him, the 'Doctor', and they said that the prayers had been composed by Marcos Ribeiro Dantas (slave Plinio Paul).

    In one of these ejaculatory prayers to Dr. Plinio it was prayed: "The forerunner of Elijah, pray for us!"

    Dr. Plinio imparted the blessing to his slaves. Sometimes, when they received it, they were stretched out on the floor, face upwards, and then Dr. Plinio laid his right foot on the face and gave his blessing, saying: "Benedictio Matris et Mediatricis descendat super vos et semper maneat ".

    The slaves of Dr. Plinio had the habit of confessing to him, confessing their failings and even their sins. After the accusation, if the slave asked for a penance, Dr Plinio had the habit of giving three slaps to the face of the slave. Following this, he would impart the blessing.

    The entry into "Sempre Vivente" took place by means of a ceremony that lasted several hours, in Via Alagoas, on the second floor of the house, and sometimes in other places.

    Dr. Plinio sat on a small throne with the habit and the mantle of the Third Order. The assistants used a habit without the mantle. The person who was about to be introduced to that company relaxed, as if dead, prostrate upon the ground in front of Dr. Plinio. At this point, from Dr. Plinio, was received the order to stand up to receive a new life and he [Plinio] intoned: "Exsurge." This meant that the person had died and was born a new man, a slave of the prophet, an Apostle of the Last Times.

    The person then fulfilled his consecration as a slave and delivered his whole being, material and spiritual, to Dr. Plinio. Symbolic objects were used. Dr. Plinio acquired an absolute right, as with the old slave of the Roman Law, except for the right to life and death. That is why they call it "Dominus Plinius."

    The ceremony continued with the feet and hands of the Prophet [Plinio] being kissed by the slave. Then, Dr. Plinio left the throne and there sat his new slave, since he was a new Plinio. Dr. Plinio kissed the feet and hands of his new slave.

    So, the effect was of a transforming union that took place between them; one living in the other. The slave was a new Plinio. For this reason was adopted the name of Plinio composed with that of another, of a patron and a title of Our Lady. For example, I chose to become Plinio Bernardo Dimas Longinos of Our Lady, Queen of the Holy Apostles of the Last Times. I was known as Plinio Dimas.

    We could not communicate with other members of TFP the existence of "Sacred Slavery," because - of course - of the nature of this secret society.

    The twelve first slaves were:

    1) Caio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Mário.
    2) Eduardo Barros Brotero - Plinio Eduardo.
    3) Luiz Nazareno of Assunpção Filho - Plinio Luiz.
    4) João Clá Dias Scognamiglio - Plinio Fernando.
    5) Humberto Braccesi - Plinio Cirineu.
    6) Fernando Siqueira - Plinio Bernardo.
    7) Carlos Espírito Hofmeister Poly - Plinio Jose.
     Marcos Ribeiro Dantes - Plinio Paulo.
    9) Mário Navarro da Costa - Plinio Elias.
    10) Dom Bertrand de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio Miguel.
    11) Atila Sinke Guimarães - Plinio Márcio.
    12) Becca Cosme Varella Hijo - Plinio Lázaro.

    Over time other people entered the "Still Living". They are:

    13) Plinio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Elizeu.
    14) Paulo Corrêa de Brito Filho - Plinio Jeremias.
    15) Luiz Filipe Ablas - Plinio Dimas.
    16) "X" - Plinio Inácio.
    17) Dom Luiz de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio da Cruz.
    18) Marcelino Antônio Pereira de Almeida - Plinio Francisco.
    19) Edson Neves da Silva - Plinio Batista.
    20) Fernando Antunes Aldunate - Plinio Longinos.
    21) Leo Nino Doscolo Daniele - Plinio Tobias.
    22) Fernando Furquin de Almeida Filho - Plinio Amen.
    23) Martim Afonso Xavier da Silveira Jr. - Plinio Pedro.
    24) Sergio Bidueira - Plinio Hildebrando.
    25) Jose Lucio de Araújo Correia - Plinio Ezquiel.
    26) Julio Ubeold - Plinio Tomaz.
    27) Fernado Teles - Plinio Leofredo.
    28) Roberto Guerreiro - Plinio Agostinho.
    29) Afonso Becar Verella - Plinio Ambros.
    30) Miguel Becar Verella - Plinio Domingos.
    31) Carlos Viano - Plinio Godofredo.
    32) The Argentine, Escurra - Plinio Leon.
    33) Carlos Antunez Aldunate - Plinio Emanuel.
    34) Jaime Antunez Aldunate - Plinio Gregório.
    35) Gonzalo Larrain - slave Plinio Caetano.
    36) Patricio Larrain - Plinio João.
    37) Patrício Amunategui - Plinio Santiago.
    38) Casté  - Plinio Joaquim.
    39) Pedro Paulo Figueiredo - Plinio Jacó.
    40) Carlos Alberto Soares Correia - Plinio Athens.
    41) Aloisio Torres - Plinio Macabeu.
    42) Roberto Esper Kalás - Plinio Bento.
    43) Paulo Roberto Rosa - Plinio Tiago.
    44) Paulo Cesar Nascimento - Plinio Henoch.
    45) Lúcio Montes - Plinio Estevão.
    46) "Y" - Plinio Afonso.
    47) João Carlos Leal da Costa - Plinio Matatias.
    48) Francisco Xavier Tosto - Plinio Isaias.
    49) José Antônio Tosto - Plinio Sebastian.
    50) "Z" - Plinio Clovis.
    51) Guerreiro Dantas - Plinio Davi.
    52) Rivoira - Plinio Hermenegildo.
    53) Alejandro Bravo - Plinio Samuel.
    54) Carlos Ybarguren - Plinio Antonio.
    55) Nelsie Fragelli - Plinio Tomé.
    56) Fernado Larrain - Plinio ?.

    There were others who, at the time, were not received in "Still Life", but were still slaves of Dr. Plinio. For example: Antonio Candido Lara Ducci - slave Ducci and Carlos Eduardo Schafer - slave Schafer.

    Speaking of his power and his slaves, Dr. Plinio asked: "What is the power of the pope in comparison to everything?"

    It was said amongst the slaves that the "Secret of Mary", of St. Louis de Montfort, is probably the establishment of the "Sacred Slavery" in respect to Dr Plinio.

    Dr. Plinio was then designated by the nickname of "Mary", because the slave of Mary was the slave of Plinio.

    The slaves used to ask for the granting of petitions, kneeling in front of Dr. Plinio. For example, Cosme Becca Varella Hijo, in his consecration, urged "My Lord" the grace to become a widower.

    I would also like to declare that I, myself, was consecrated to the son of Dona Lucilia [mother of Plinio], kneeling on her grave, in the presence of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira and his personal guards.


    Curitiba, 24 August 1984
    Luiz Filipe de Freitas Guimaraes Abias


    Witnesses to the deposition:
    Orlando Fedeli 1,433,401, RG
    Giulio Folen 2,481,149, RG.

    Cartorio Ramos, Second Office of Civil Status Registration, Securities and Docuмents, Via Mal. Floriano Peixoto, 986 - Tel.224-2444.

    Statement made on this day. Written and recorded on microfilm (No. 544948). File Number: 330009.
    This is all great, Cera. But what are supposed to call Our Lady who appeared in Quito? Can you name another apparition where two languages have been used for Our Lady's title? What is the justification for suddenly changing the name? Have these people been researching this apparition for decades? Or did they hear of Our Lady of Good Success from TIA and decided he wanted to re-brand this apparition for whatever reason?
    Again, the question is: What is the appropriate title in English?

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    In Cera's case, she seems so "wired" to dump calumnies, ishe must have broken into her Easter basket early and ate all the chocolate bunnies?
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  • Cera & Meg, the two "PPC's"
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    In Cera's case, she seems so "wired" to dump calumnies, ishe must have broken into her Easter basket early and ate all the chocolate bunnies?
    I don’t understand it. They can be so supportive of Fr. Purdy yet have such vitriol for Atila.