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Official Vatican Newspaper praises John Calvin
« on: July 05, 2009, 04:02:21 PM »
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    Official Vatican Newspaper praises John Calvin
    « Reply #1 on: July 05, 2009, 04:03:06 PM »
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  • Here was one man's response to it, which is very good:




    It seems that the praising of both Calvin and Rousseau is just another in the long line of heretics praised by those in Rome. For example,

    Pope John Paul II had long admired Martin Luther, the founder of the Lutheran sect. In1983, in a letter to Cardinal Willebrands, the Pope praised Luther for his "deep religiousness." (Pope Praises Luther in an Appeal for Unity on Protestant Anniversary." New York Times, Nov. 6, 1983.) This is a remarkable statement from a Pope since, when speaking about the Mass, Luther said:
    "No sin of immorality, nay not even manslaughter, theft, murder and adultery is so harmful as this abomination of the Popish Mass."

    Luther further said:

    "He would rather have kept a bawdy house or been a robber than to have blasphemed and traduced Christ for fifteen years by saying the Mass." (Hartmann Grisar, Luther, English translation, Herder, vol. 2, p.160, vol. 4. p. 523)

    As another example consider the fllowing:

    Fr. Congar was a priest and Council expert, whom Pope John Paul II so greatly admired that soon after assuming the office of the papacy, he elevated the priest to the rank of cardinal. Concerning Luther, Fr. Congar stated:

    "Luther, is one of the greatest religious geniuses of all history. I would place him on the same plane as St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, or Pascal. In a certain sense, he is even greater." (Peter Lovest Thou Me? By Abbe Daniel Le Roux, p. 105)

    In fact, authorities in the modern conciliar Church have gone out of their way to praise false religions. For example:

    In the United States, a prince of the conciliar Church, Cardinal Law, publicly prayed to Allah, another false god. The event was described in an article in the Boston Globe on Nov. 25, 2002 entitled: "Cardinal Law Shares Prayers, Feast, Hope with Muslims." The opening paragraph read:

    "It was Sunday, and Cardinal Bernard F. Law had come to pray. So, wearing a gold crucifix and a flowing black robe with red trim, Law removed his shoes. Then, as the imam chanted the sunset prayers, the bishop knelt with his forehead just inches from the carpet and offered praise to Allah."

    It is difficult to imagine a more obvious infraction of the First Commandment.

    The worships of false gods is now so well established in the conciliar Church that conciliar Church structures themselves reflect such worship. For example, in St. Ambrose Catholic Church in Buffalo, New York, a stained glass window depicts pagan divinities and offers them as objects of worship for Catholics. One window depicts a scene of Moses as a representative of Judaism and Mohammed as a representative of Islam. Over the turban covered head of Mohammed is the crescent. Also depicted is Horus, a divinity of ancient Egypt together with Shiva a Hindu divinity. Until the advent of the new faith of the conciliar Church, the purpose of stained glass windows in a Catholic Church was to present scenes from the lives of Our Lord, His Blessed Mother and the Saints as well as episodes of the Old and the New testament in order to increase the Faith and devotion of the faithful to the one Triune God. However, since Vatican Council II, it is evident that purpose no longer exists. For reference see (http:www.traditoninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A140rcWidnow_NonChristians.htm) This site also has a photograph of the window.

    The church caption for the window gives a "justification" for the window. The caption reads:

    "On October 28, 1965, Second Vatican Council II issued an official decree on the relation of the Church to non-Christian religions. The Latin designation for the docuмent, "NOSTRA AETATE," is taken from the opening words of the proclamation: "In this age of ours, people are drawing more closely together . The Church examines with greater care the relation she has with non-Christian religions." The docuмent is a masterpiece of understanding. The fathers admit that the Holy Spirit is free to operate and breathe where the Spirit wills. The docuмent regrets past misunderstanding among Jєωs, Hindus, Muslims, and Buddhists and specifically cites the good their followers have accomplished. God the Father and son dominate the window. With outstretched arms in a traditional sign of sending the Spirit, they bless Moses and Mohammed pictured together in the center of the window. The familiar crescent hangs over the head of Mohammed. The falcon-headed character is a remnant of mythological beliefs of ancient Egypt. He is identified as Horus, the son of Isis. The dark and whirling figure to the right is the Hindu God Shiva. The final figure at the bottom center depicts the Prince Siddhartha Gautama, more familiarly known as the "Buddha." (Taken from the website of St. Ambrose Home Community, 65 Ridgewood Road, Buffalo, New York. 14220-2223)

    Note that in the phrase "God the Father and the son", the first letter of the word "son" is not capitalized while the first words of the various prophets and false gods are capitalized. The non-capitalization of the word "son", when it is obvious the word "son" refers to Jesus Christ, is a very devious and sly way of denying the traditional Catholic belief in the existence of a Triune God..

    Another stained glass window in the same church is entitled: "Window of Christian Ecuмenism," The description for the window reads:

    "The window on ecuмenism is a special tribute to Pope John Paul II who was anxious to heal the rift between Protestants and Roman Catholics, a struggle often bitter in nature that has persisted since Reformation time in the 16th century. From the very beginning, Protestant, Anglo-Catholic and Orthodox Catholics were invited to be present at the Council in special seating in the aula of the Basilica. On November 21, 1964 the council Fathers issued a decree on ecuмenism: "UNITAS REDINTEGRATIO." The decree signaled the end of the counter-reformation and the beginning of a fresh attempt to heal the wounds of division. This window is a tribute to a wonderful Spirit with men and women representative of all Christian faiths. At the bottom stand two priests, one Orthodox, the other Roman. The evangelical figure in the center is proclaiming the Word. Surrounding Jesus and the human figures holding hands are the logos of every Protestant and Episcopal Church in South Buffalo. At the bottom center is the seal of Martin Luther. To the left is the logo of the United Methodist church. Rising counterclockwise is the logo of the United Church of Christ. In the upper left center s the seal of the United Presbyterian Church; at the top left is the national symbol of the American Baptist Church, and at the top right is the logo of the Episcopal community."

    The description in the first window asserts the differences between Jєωs, Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists, and by inference, Catholics, is just a "misunderstanding." Thus, Catholics are supposed to believe that the various widely differing beliefs of the aforementioned sects are merely a "misunderstanding." Now Jєωs believe in one God, Hindus and Buddhists believe in several gods, while Muslims believe in the prophet Mohammed and Catholics believe in a triune God. Furthermore, Catholics believe in the divinity of Christ while the other four sects deny His divinity. Given that the author of the description surely knew very well that the four listed sects deny the divinity of Christ and each of the five sects differ on many fundamental tenets, to label their differences a "misunderstanding" is patently misleading. Furthermore, by placing a window in a Catholic Church which honors sects that deny the divinity of Christ can only serve to encourage Catholics to deny the Triune God and thus deny the first commandment.

    The depictions in the second window are also very misleading. It is well known that the various Protestant sects are a consequence of their rejection of the Traditional Catholic Faith. After all, this rejection is the source of the name "Protestant." In addition, it is well known that Martin Luther was the source of most of the rejection of the Catholic Faith and he detested the Traditional Catholic Mass the primary worship service of the Catholic Church. Thus, to label the many significant differences between Catholics and Protestants as just a "rift" is borders on outright dishonesty. This window does not directly encourage the denial of the first commandment. However, the window does encourage the honoring of sects which deny one or more tenets of the Traditional Catholic faith which is the certain and full teaching of Jesus Christ. Now Jesus Christ is God by virtue of being the second person in the Holy Trinity and thus the window implicitly denies the divinity of Christ and hence implicitly denies the first commandment.

    My apologies for the length of my response. The comments are taken from a paper I had written entitled: "The Destruction of the Traditional Catholic Faith."
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    Official Vatican Newspaper praises John Calvin
    « Reply #2 on: July 05, 2009, 04:59:54 PM »
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  • It sounds very LaSallettesque, as in Rome will become the Seat of Antichrist.

    They already have Bernard Card. Law as Archpriest of St. Mary Major.  That's about as high-up as it gets.

    Christ have mercy on us in this crisis.  So, it's Obama going over to Rome this week, isn't it?

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    « Reply #3 on: July 05, 2009, 08:48:42 PM »
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  • I don't want to come across as gloom and doom in saying this, but I feel that 2017 will be a big year. Why? Because it is the 500th anniversary of the Protestant reformation(revolution) and the 100th year for Fatima. If at that time Rome ignores Fatima and praises Protestants and Luther in their anniversary, the time I fear may be short before a serious horrible event.
    Pray for me, always.

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    « Reply #4 on: July 05, 2009, 10:59:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: Caraffa
    I don't want to come across as gloom and doom in saying this, but I feel that 2017 will be a big year. Why? Because it is the 500th anniversary of the Protestant reformation(revolution) and the 100th year for Fatima. If at that time Rome ignores Fatima and praises Protestants and Luther in their anniversary, the time I fear may be short before a serious horrible event.

    Hopefully by 2017 the Great Monarch will be in power and this protestant nonsense will be done for good.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 06, 2009, 02:48:13 AM »
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  • Ah, good to see things taking a turn toward the 'conservative' on BXVI's watch! :rolleyes:
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    « Reply #6 on: July 06, 2009, 12:27:10 PM »
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  • Re: Chant's 2nd post.

    About calling it a rift, the poster guy says it borders on downright dishonest.  To me, describing the Protestant Revolution as a "rift" just sounds all gαy.

    What is it, just repeat the same rubbish over and over and afte 40 years the simple people just believe it?

    I had a friend with a Graduate degree fro U. VA who literally thought (thinks?) Catholics are 'Romans' and not even remotely Christian.  There are lots of Southern Baptists like that.

    Calvin, what a guy, what a movement.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 06, 2009, 01:53:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: TheD
    Quote from: Caraffa
    I don't want to come across as gloom and doom in saying this, but I feel that 2017 will be a big year. Why? Because it is the 500th anniversary of the Protestant reformation(revolution) and the 100th year for Fatima. If at that time Rome ignores Fatima and praises Protestants and Luther in their anniversary, the time I fear may be short before a serious horrible event.

    Hopefully by 2017 the Great Monarch will be in power and this protestant nonsense will be done for good.


    Maybe, maybe not. We will have to trust in Divine Providence. That would mean that he is alive right now though, and fairly old though right?


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    « Reply #8 on: July 06, 2009, 03:33:00 PM »
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  • Calvin(Cohen) believed that the Sun revolved around the Earth.

    The Great Monarch has already been here and his name is Philip IV of France.
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    « Reply #9 on: July 06, 2009, 06:58:35 PM »
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  • Roscoe, maybe you could elaborate?  I am very ignorant about these histories you mention.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 06, 2009, 08:39:06 PM »
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  • We may thank Philip IV for the deposition of the anti-pope Boniface who was protecting the Templar Freemason heretics.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    « Reply #11 on: July 06, 2009, 10:09:06 PM »
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  • OK, I shall gladly thank Philip IV.

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    « Reply #12 on: July 06, 2009, 11:04:07 PM »
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  • And now we need a King to defeat Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ yet again.

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    « Reply #13 on: July 07, 2009, 02:59:24 AM »
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  • Quote from: DeMaistre
    That would mean that he is alive right now though, and fairly old though right?


    He would be at least 30 - as he is to fight until his 40th year, wherein he begins his reign.
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