Author Topic: of souls in heaven (Read 844 times)

Geremia · « **on:** October 17, 2013, 01:05:56 PM »

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86QFWTQV__8[/youtube]
I think Voris is wrong in saying hoping all go to heaven isn't logical and is a vain hope.
What about the Fatima prayer? "Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy?"

Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** October 17, 2013, 01:32:36 PM »

Didn't Jesus already say that most go on the wide path to perdition and few will find the straight and narrow way to heaven? It is a fact that less than half the people on earth are baptized, so we know that many will be damned unless you believe that the Church is meaningless and everybody gets baptism of desire.

Geremia · « **Reply #2 on:** October 17, 2013, 01:51:34 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Didn't Jesus already say that most go on the wide path to perdition and few will find the straight and narrow way to heaven? It is a fact that less than half the people on earth are baptized, so we know that many will be damned unless you believe that the Church is meaningless and everybody gets baptism of desire.

Yes, but my point is that it's never vain or illogical to hope for the salvation of everyone, even if the reality is that very few make it through the eye of the needle.

Memento · « **Reply #3 on:** October 17, 2013, 07:53:39 PM »

Quote from: Geremia

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86QFWTQV__8[/youtube]
I think Voris is wrong in saying hoping all go to heaven isn't logical and is a vain hope.
What about the Fatima prayer? "Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy?"

I believe Pope Pius IX answers your question in #17 from the Syllabus of Errors:

III. INDIFFERENTISM, LATITUDINARIANISM

15. Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. -- Allocution "Maxima quidem," June 9, 1862; Damnatio "Multiplices inter," June 10, 1851.

16. Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation. -- Encyclical "Qui pluribus," Nov. 9, 1846.

17. Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ. -- Encyclical "Quanto conficiamur," Aug. 10, 1863, etc.

18. Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion, in which form it is given to please God equally as in the Catholic Church. -- Encyclical "Noscitis," Dec. 8, 1849."

Since we cannot know the future, we can and should pray for the conversion of sinners.