Author Topic: Oath Against Modernism (Read 578 times)

St Magnus · « **on:** November 05, 2013, 03:45:13 PM »

I don't think I've ever seen a thread discussing the issue of those who took the Oath and VII.

Obviously, the liberals and modernists at VII broke their Oath. This included the pope, Paul VI.

To me, that fact they took the Oath and then broke it is the most appalling thing about VII. Doesn't this imply apostasy ? I just can't understand why this matter isn't discussed among trads.

Thoughts ?

Frances · « **Reply #1 on:** November 05, 2013, 04:15:27 PM »

After VII, the Oath was reinterpreted according to the "hermeneutic of continuity," meaning, according to liberal ideas. For the liberal, words no longer have absolute meaning, only relative to something else. The Oath was not broken in the mind of Paul VI, because it meant whatever he wished it to mean. # all the others who took it. This is how Bishop Fellay pleads his innocence when accused of contradicting himself. True, we don't know, "what is in [his] head." For a liberal, whatever is in his head IS true-- until he changes his mind!

StCeciliasGirl · « **Reply #2 on:** November 05, 2013, 09:09:55 PM »

They broke the oath first, an oath they swore to when becoming priests in the 1920s (and earlier for some). They were Modernists long before Vatican II. Imagine Montini in 1922, before there were even cars or the Depression, living in the shadow of St. Pope Pius X, having sworn against Modernism. Imagine what must have invaded his soul in the next forty years to turn him against the Church and TO modernism. And then a few years later, to drag Bugnini (who'd been fired by Roncalli — there's your sign!) into V2 "council" and use his demonic writings to re-word the entire nineteen-hundred-plus years of Catholic Faith. And then a few years into his anti-pontificate, he merely "got rid of" the vow against Modernism like yesterday's garbage.

Oh yeah they were ALL under that oath. You can't blast back in time to an oath YOU swore to God's face, and oath you broke for decades, and then say, "Doosie-over!"

Oh no. ESPECIALLY not when the Vicar who instituted the oath is a SAINT watching over their sorry ***es from above.

They took the oath. They broke the oath. They separated themselves from the Church and made God's job real easy.

Emitte Lucem Tuam · « **Reply #3 on:** November 06, 2013, 05:19:38 PM »

Quote from: StCeciliasGirl

They broke the oath first, an oath they swore to when becoming priests in the 1920s (and earlier for some). They were Modernists long before Vatican II. Imagine Montini in 1922, before there were even cars or the Depression, living in the shadow of St. Pope Pius X, having sworn against Modernism. Imagine what must have invaded his soul in the next forty years to turn him against the Church and TO modernism. And then a few years later, to drag Bugnini (who'd been fired by Roncalli — there's your sign!) into V2 "council" and use his demonic writings to re-word the entire nineteen-hundred-plus years of Catholic Faith. And then a few years into his anti-pontificate, he merely "got rid of" the vow against Modernism like yesterday's garbage.

Oh yeah they were ALL under that oath. You can't blast back in time to an oath YOU swore to God's face, and oath you broke for decades, and then say, "Doosie-over!"

Oh no. ESPECIALLY not when the Vicar who instituted the oath is a SAINT watching over their sorry ***es from above.

They took the oath. They broke the oath. They separated themselves from the Church and made God's job real easy.

:applause:

Thank you for a real eye-opener. We need more traditionalists like you who say it the way it REALLY is, with no pulling back. God bless, StCeciliasGirl.