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Author Topic: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism  (Read 14682 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism
« Reply #80 on: May 26, 2026, 05:46:40 AM »
Quote from: St Giles on May 25, 2026, 07:59:17 PM
Me: Have humility; you don't know.
Good post, and this ^^ is key, yet the default position is that the conciliar popes have been popes. Because we can do nothing about it, there is no reason to be dogmatic about it otherwise.  

 But when you have this dogmatic sede believing crap like: "Church doctors also confirm that being a "dogmatic sedevacantist" is superior to not being one", his resolve is comparable to militant jihadists.  
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Offline forlorn

Re: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism
« Reply #81 on: May 26, 2026, 06:20:01 AM »
Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on May 22, 2026, 03:46:46 AM
Common sense prudence tells us we stay away from things that don't look Catholic. So that means the novus ordo, liberal clergy etc. etc.
To what extent is this common sense? If Vatican 2 is Catholic, then all this stuff is Catholic. The Novus Ordo Mass has been celebrated by 99.99% of Catholic priests for longer than most of us have been alive. It's not at all common sense for a Catholic to wake up one day and just reject all that.

R&Rs have this hypocrisy where they simultaneously expect everyone to use their judgement to dismiss Vatican 2, NO, 99.99% of the clergy, and everything the Pope actually does or says, but the when it comes to the identity of the Pope itself - suddenly it's just "if he's recognised as the Pope, then we just have to assume he is".

The logical conclusion of R&R arguments is NO conservatism. It's totally incoherent otherwise.
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Re: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism
« Reply #82 on: May 26, 2026, 06:21:44 AM »
Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on May 25, 2026, 05:17:16 PM
The novus ordo has no official condemnation yet from the Papacy.You cant pretend like it does.
Then why flirt with schism by avoiding NO masses?
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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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« Reply #83 on: May 26, 2026, 06:23:32 AM »
Quote from: forlorn on May 26, 2026, 06:21:44 AM
Then why flirt with schism by avoiding NO masses?
The judgement against the Novus Ordo is more of an internal moral certainty than one as pronounced by the Church.
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Offline Michelle

Re: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism
« Reply #84 on: May 26, 2026, 11:05:16 AM »
Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on May 25, 2026, 05:17:16 PM
The novus ordo has no official condemnation yet from the Papacy.You cant pretend like it does.
Of course it has that is why you do not attend it.  It turns it's back on God and towards man.  It is a Sacrilegious performance. 
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