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Author Topic: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism  (Read 6165 times)

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Re: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism
« Reply #175 on: Yesterday at 02:52:02 PM »
Your quotes did not teach dogmatic sedeism. Your quotes had zero to do with your sedeism. Pope Paul IV gives us crystal clear instruction on what to do about heretical popes, he teaches R&R. Read it again and again, until you understand what he taught. 

Do not abandon the meaning of his teaching under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding ever again - for your own good.

Understand that there is no pope who teaches dogmatic sedeism, or even plain old ordinary every day type of sedeism for that matter.

Yet here's you falsely claiming that "Pelagius I, St Pius X, and others" contradict the teaching of the Church as taught by Pope Paul IV. Try hard to avoid doing that from now on.
Paul IV's quote applies to Popes, not to anti-Popes.

You suppose that Vatican II Popes are Popes then you apply that Paul IV quote to them.

That's called petition of principle, that is a logical fallacy.

Are you aware that you are trapped in circular reasoning?





Re: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism
« Reply #176 on: Yesterday at 10:56:44 PM »
It's not the duty of the laymen to scour through 2000 years of Papal docuмents and writings to interpret or guage against our current situation.  We as Catholics have been taught in our catechism all that we need to know and believe to save our souls.  We have been taught there are four marks of the true Church.  We are taught that the Pope is the teacher and defender of the faith and that for a sacrament to be valid there must be proper matter and form. We are commanded to not pray with heretics and Saint Paul warns that "if we or an angel of light preach a gospel other than what was given, let him be anathema." The catechism teaches us that the Church is the mystical body of Christ and that faith is the bond of unity.  Point being is that adhering to the basic Catholic teachings that we learn by the time we make our confirmation is enough for us to discern and identify the Catholic Church.
The only thing that is Catholic in Rome are the buildings.  That Church and its adherants belong to religion directly opposed to Catholicsm.  There can not be a contradiction.  The Church of Christ can not be at the same time the Church of Satan.


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Paul IV's quote applies to Popes, not to anti-Popes.

You suppose that Vatican II Popes are Popes then you apply that Paul IV quote to them.

That's called petition of principle, that is a logical fallacy.

Are you aware that you are trapped in circular reasoning?
Pope Paul IV's quote was the Church teaching, as he said, "to the flock of our Lord," that means, to all Catholics. You need to stop changing the meaning of the teaching of the Church. I just told you, "Do not abandon the meaning of his teaching under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding ever again - for your own good," and you just go on as if it is your duty to ignore the Church's teaching. You must accept that your opinion here is contrary to the Church's teaching, otherwise you will never rid yourself of your dogmatic sedeism, which is your goal here.  

You need to realize that you've given your opinion authority over teachings of the Church - and that you must correct yourself.  A pathway to making this easier on yourself is to adhere to the highest principle in the Church - see my sig.   

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It's not the duty of the laymen to scour through 2000 years of Papal docuмents and writings to interpret or guage against our current situation.  We as Catholics have been taught in our catechism all that we need to know and believe to save our souls.  We have been taught there are four marks of the true Church.  We are taught that the Pope is the teacher and defender of the faith and that for a sacrament to be valid there must be proper matter and form. We are commanded to not pray with heretics and Saint Paul warns that "if we or an angel of light preach a gospel other than what was given, let him be anathema." The catechism teaches us that the Church is the mystical body of Christ and that faith is the bond of unity.  Point being is that adhering to the basic Catholic teachings that we learn by the time we make our confirmation is enough for us to discern and identify the Catholic Church.
The only thing that is Catholic in Rome are the buildings.  That Church and its adherants belong to religion directly opposed to Catholicsm.  There can not be a contradiction.  The Church of Christ can not be at the same time the Church of Satan.
Yes, great post! You described how the pioneering trads, who knew nothing but the true faith, kept the faith when the revolution of V2 hit. 

An old poster had a great analogy for those days, the pioneering trads spotted the forgery instantly knowing only basic Catholicism. No internet, no forums, no formal theology or papal teachings - only knowing truth is why they knew the lie when they saw it.   

"U.S. Treasury agents who specialize in forgery detection, when they are being trained, are never shown any forgeries, they are strictly immersed in learning every minute detail of the real thing. That way, they can spot the forgery instantly..."




Pope Paul IV's quote was the Church teaching, as he said, "to the flock of our Lord," that means, to all Catholics. You need to stop changing the meaning of the teaching of the Church. I just told you, "Do not abandon the meaning of his teaching under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding ever again - for your own good," and you just go on as if it is your duty to ignore the Church's teaching. You must accept that your opinion here is contrary to the Church's teaching, otherwise you will never rid yourself of your dogmatic sedeism, which is your goal here. 

You need to realize that you've given your opinion authority over teachings of the Church - and that you must correct yourself.  A pathway to making this easier on yourself is to adhere to the highest principle in the Church - see my sig. 
I studied philosophy and theology, I am not an average layman like you. 

God doesn't expect the same from me and from yourself. 

You do not need to worry. Do your best for the Catholic faith at your level.