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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: CM on June 26, 2009, 01:15:23 AM

Title: NWO and John Paul II
Post by: CM on June 26, 2009, 01:15:23 AM
I forget who posted the link to this video series, but in this particular video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx6aJO6O_mg&feature=channel_page) @ 6:42, we have a very telling statement from Antipope John Paul II.
Title: NWO and John Paul II
Post by: Prodinoscopus on June 26, 2009, 11:25:45 AM
Yes, it's disturbing and disgusting.

However, it's not proof that JP2 was an antipope, if the standard of proof is incontrovertible evidence of manifest and pertinacious heresy, and explicit apostasy according to the exact meaning of that term.

Here's a question. Is there the possibility of a lower standard of proof that JP2 was an antipope? In other words, it is incontrovertible that JP2 enticed and poisoned the minds of countless Catholics with all of this new age garbage. It's not manifest and pertinacious heresy (he does not explicitly reject any Catholic dogma), nor is it apostasy (he does not explicitly profess faith in a false god), yet it is clearly an act of doctrinal poisoning. He is poisoning the mind of anyone who listens to this speech. That is incontrovertible. Is that sufficient to mark him as an anti-pope?
Title: NWO and John Paul II
Post by: parentsfortruth on June 26, 2009, 12:57:59 PM
Aha, good that someone's watching this. This video produced by the Greek Orthodox is a smorgasbord of false ecuŠ¼enism ON VIDEO by JPII.

Stuff that we only saw in pictures, captured on video. I hope more people will take the time to watch it.
Title: NWO and John Paul II
Post by: Elizabeth on June 26, 2009, 12:58:44 PM
I couldn't manage to get to the next part (3) of this video.  It seems very well done.  I can never navigate YouTube easily.

I wanted to show my son JP2 with my personal favorite, the VooDoo priest.

As weird as the "may Ghandi live forever" bit is, there have been far worse.  His old Wednesday Audiences were full of stuff SO BAD I blocked it out.  He was a big fan of NWO, to put it mildly.

Title: NWO and John Paul II
Post by: Prodinoscopus on June 26, 2009, 01:57:17 PM
At 7:08, John Paul II says:

"May Ghandi live forever!"

Incredible. There is no excusing this.

I'm still not ready to say the John Paul II was an anti-pope, because there is still no evidence that he formally rejected any specific dogmas of the Catholic Faith, nor that he formally embraced a false religion in place of the Catholic Faith.

I am, however, prepared to say that his actions in the realm of "interreligious dialogue", as demonstrated in this video, were manifestly evil.
Title: NWO and John Paul II
Post by: CM on July 21, 2009, 09:29:41 AM
I've been wondering... Where does this formal heresy argument come from?  Public heresy and manifest heresy are not enough for you?  You have to know that the man is aware of the dogmas that he continually denies before you can reject him as a non-Catholic?  It just doesn't make sense.
Title: NWO and John Paul II
Post by: Elizabeth on July 21, 2009, 11:02:16 PM
Quote from: Prodinoscopus
At 7:08, John Paul II says:

"May Ghandi live forever!"

Incredible. There is no excusing this.

I'm still not ready to say the John Paul II was an anti-pope, because there is still no evidence that he formally rejected any specific dogmas of the Catholic Faith, nor that he formally embraced a false religion in place of the Catholic Faith.

I am, however, prepared to say that his actions in the realm of "interreligious dialogue", as demonstrated in this video, were manifestly evil.


Praying with the VooDoo priests was so satanic that what I actually think about it is not ok for a public forum.  A hint might be the distorted face and shaking and running off the group of 300 exorcists coming for an glimpse of JP2.