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Now its, "Concelebration"
« on: July 16, 2017, 05:31:18 PM »
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  • Francis-Bergoglio Aims to Impose "Concelebration"
     In Yet Another Gutting of the Priesthood, Which Does Not Exist in Newchurch
    From: The TRADITIO Fathers
    Francis-Bergoglio Aims to Do Away With Single-presbyter Messes
     And Require Hoards of Presbyters around the Novus Ordo Dinner Table
     Bergoglio Is Working to Impose Condemned "Concelebration"
     Which Is Yet Another Move toward Protestantism
     Promoted by the Vatican II Anti-council
     Novus Ordo Presbyters Are Regarded as Incapable of Simulating Mess on Their Own
     Not Only Do They Need Eucharistic Ministresses and a Cacophony of Lectoresses
     But Also Hoards of Presbyters
    Now coming in: more evidence that Newchurch is worse than Protestant. Already the Vatican II Anti-council (1962-1965) eliminated priests and replaced them with Protestantized presbyters (ministers). Under the 1968 New Ordinal, there is no ordination of valid priests in the Sacrament of Holy Orders to "offer the Sacrifice of the Mass for the living and the dead," but merely the "installation" of unordained and invalid presbyters to "preside over the assembly of the people."
    In line with the elimination of priests in Newchurch, the Anti-council opened up the so-called "concelebration" of the New Mess by hoards of presbybters, as now one presbyter seems incapable of simulating Mess on his own. Not only does he need eucharistic ministresses and a cacophony of lectoresses, but also other presbyters.
    Now Francis-Bergoglio is imposing this condemned "concelebration" in the colleges and seminaries of Newrome. The Congregation for the [New]clergy is working secretly on a document that will impose "concelebration" under the Protestant doctrine that "the celebration in community must always be preferred to individual celebration." Francis-Bergoglio in an April Fools' Day 2017 address, stated the purpose of such an imposition: "to overcome individualism." Tyrant Stalin couldn't have put it better! [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by the Newvatican Press Office.]
    True Catholics, the phony New Order "Mess" isn't even a Mass. Newchurch defines it as an "assembly of the people," like a Mormon meeting. Thus, not even a presbyter is needed. Condemned "concelebration" simply degrades the situation that much more. Presbyters aren't even individuals any longer. Rather, they are a Communist "collective," who can function only with other presbyters and laypeople. That is the pure Protestantism!

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    Re: Now its, "Concelebration"
    « Reply #1 on: July 16, 2017, 09:40:40 PM »
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  • Simply demonic. Period!




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    Re: Now its, "Concelebration"
    « Reply #2 on: July 18, 2017, 07:24:35 PM »
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  • Concelebration has been around for centuries. It used to be used during major feasts and other occasions. Trads still use it during ordination Masses and it's been used occasionally in the NO for the past fifty years. Concelebration has nothing to do with Francis.

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    Re: Now its, "Concelebration"
    « Reply #3 on: July 18, 2017, 07:31:25 PM »
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  • I've never seen or even heard of a traditional Mass being "concelebrated".  Although other priest may be present in the Sanctuary during Mass they fulfill other functions, I have never seen two traditional priests standing side by side consecrating the host.

    Has anyone else seen or heard of this practice at traditional Masses?

    The NO on the other hand has been doing it since the 70's.

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    Re: Now its, "Concelebration"
    « Reply #4 on: July 19, 2017, 04:24:17 AM »
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  • What you are saying is not true. 


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    Re: Now its, "Concelebration"
    « Reply #5 on: July 19, 2017, 12:05:19 PM »
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  • What you are saying is not true.
    What who is saying is not true?

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    Re: Now its, "Concelebration"
    « Reply #6 on: July 20, 2017, 02:22:37 AM »
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  • What who is saying is not true?
    From the Code of Canon Law;
    Can.  900 §1. The minister who is able to confect the sacrament of the Eucharist in the person of Christ is a validly ordained priest alone.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P38.HTM

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    Re: Now its, "Concelebration"
    « Reply #7 on: July 20, 2017, 05:29:09 AM »
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  • From the Code of Canon Law;
    Can.  900 §1. The minister who is able to confect the sacrament of the Eucharist in the person of Christ is a validly ordained priest alone.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P38.HTM
    Do you even read topics before posting completely irrelevant things?


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    Re: Now its, "Concelebration"
    « Reply #8 on: July 20, 2017, 10:46:21 PM »
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  • Francis-Bergoglio Aims to Impose "Concelebration"
     In Yet Another Gutting of the Priesthood, Which Does Not Exist in Newchurch
    From: The TRADITIO Fathers
    Francis-Bergoglio Aims to Do Away With Single-presbyter Messes
     And Require Hoards of Presbyters around the Novus Ordo Dinner Table
     Bergoglio Is Working to Impose Condemned "Concelebration"
     Which Is Yet Another Move toward Protestantism
     Promoted by the Vatican II Anti-council
     Novus Ordo Presbyters Are Regarded as Incapable of Simulating Mess on Their Own
     Not Only Do They Need Eucharistic Ministresses and a Cacophony of Lectoresses
     But Also Hoards of Presbyters
    Now coming in: more evidence that Newchurch is worse than Protestant. Already the Vatican II Anti-council (1962-1965) eliminated priests and replaced them with Protestantized presbyters (ministers). Under the 1968 New Ordinal, there is no ordination of valid priests in the Sacrament of Holy Orders to "offer the Sacrifice of the Mass for the living and the dead," but merely the "installation" of unordained and invalid presbyters to "preside over the assembly of the people."
    In line with the elimination of priests in Newchurch, the Anti-council opened up the so-called "concelebration" of the New Mess by hoards of presbybters, as now one presbyter seems incapable of simulating Mess on his own. Not only does he need eucharistic ministresses and a cacophony of lectoresses, but also other presbyters.
    Now Francis-Bergoglio is imposing this condemned "concelebration" in the colleges and seminaries of Newrome. The Congregation for the [New]clergy is working secretly on a document that will impose "concelebration" under the Protestant doctrine that "the celebration in community must always be preferred to individual celebration." Francis-Bergoglio in an April Fools' Day 2017 address, stated the purpose of such an imposition: "to overcome individualism." Tyrant Stalin couldn't have put it better! [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by the Newvatican Press Office.]
    True Catholics, the phony New Order "Mess" isn't even a Mass. Newchurch defines it as an "assembly of the people," like a Mormon meeting. Thus, not even a presbyter is needed. Condemned "concelebration" simply degrades the situation that much more. Presbyters aren't even individuals any longer. Rather, they are a Communist "collective," who can function only with other presbyters and laypeople. That is the pure Protestantism!
    this is nothing new. It used to be that a priest was forbidden to celebrate the mass alone. He had to have at least one server with him.  

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    Re: Now its, "Concelebration"
    « Reply #9 on: July 21, 2017, 10:47:05 PM »
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  •  the Vatican II Anti-council (1962-1965) eliminated priests and replaced them with Protestantized presbyters (ministers).
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    False. The Second Vatican Council did not eliminate priests, nor did it introduce Protestantized presbyters (ministers).
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    As usual, Traditio posts a litany of lies, spreading slander and misinformation.
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    Under the 1968 New Ordinal, there is no ordination of valid priests in the Sacrament of Holy Orders to "offer the Sacrifice of the Mass for the living and the dead," but merely the "installation" of unordained and invalid presbyters to "preside over the assembly of the people."
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    The 1968 novelties all took place 3 years after Vat.II had closed in 1965. There is nothing whatsoever in Vat.II documents regarding the "New Ordinal" or the change in Holy Orders (for Bishops and priests) that would occur beginning 3 years after the close of the infamous council.
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    In line with the elimination of priests in Newchurch, the Anti-council opened up the so-called "concelebration" of the New Mess by hoards of presbybters, as now one presbyter seems incapable of simulating Mess on his own. Not only does he need eucharistic ministresses and a cacophony of lectoresses, but also other presbyters.
    False again. The council had nothing whatsoever in it regarding the elimination of priests or concelebration of Mass by multiple priests. It had not a single word regarding women as "Extraordinary Eucharistic ministers" (the original terminology used for non-clerical distributors of the hosts and/or consecrated wine).
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    Now Francis-Bergoglio is imposing this condemned "concelebration" in the colleges and seminaries of Newrome. The Congregation for the [New]clergy is working secretly on a document that will impose "concelebration" under the Protestant doctrine that "the celebration in community must always be preferred to individual celebration." Francis-Bergoglio in an April Fools' Day 2017 address, stated the purpose of such an imposition: "to overcome individualism." Tyrant Stalin couldn't have put it better! [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by the Newvatican Press Office.]

    True Catholics, the phony New Order "Mess" isn't even a Mass. Newchurch defines it as an "assembly of the people," like a Mormon meeting. Thus, not even a presbyter is needed.

    Condemned "concelebration" simply degrades the situation that much more. Presbyters aren't even individuals any longer. Rather, they are a Communist "collective," who can function only with other presbyters and laypeople. That is the pure Protestantism!
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    Notice the term "Condemned concelebration" is eagerly employed while no reference is offered for who condemned it or when.
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    While it is true that these novelties came as a consequence to Vatican II, these topics were never voted on by the bishops attending the council and were not part of the council discussions. All Vat.II did was to "break the ice" in regards to beginning work on reforming the Roman Missal. But actually, that project had already begun before Vat.II had started, when St. Joseph was inserted into the erstwhile "untouchable" Canon of Mass, the reform of Holy Week, and various longstanding practices were abandoned, such as octaves of holy days and numerous calendar dates for many of the saints, etc. All that was pre-Vat.II.
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    In the larger scheme of things, Eastern Catholics (and Orthodox for that matter) will have much less difficulty with this innovation because it is of longstanding tradition with them for any priest celebrating the Divine Liturgy to have at least one lay person in the congregation who responds with the appropriate words, gestures and hymns during the Liturgy. Sunday Divine Liturgy normally has at least 2 priests, as well as other clerics present in the sanctuary or behind the Iconostasis.
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    The practice of one priest alone celebrating Mass without anyone else present (or perhaps one altar boy at most) is a feature of the Roman Rite alone, which was a necessity of the Missionary priests who often went out all on their own into the wilderness in seek of converts among the heathen.
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    Re: Now its, "Concelebration"
    « Reply #10 on: July 21, 2017, 10:50:50 PM »
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  • this is nothing new. It used to be that a priest was forbidden to celebrate the mass alone. He had to have at least one server with him.  
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    Where in the world do you get your information? This is entirely untrue, what you posted here.
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    No priest in the Roman Rite has ever been forbidden to celebrate Mass alone. Never, never, never.
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    They have been forbidden many things, but this is not among them. You must be hallucinating, again.
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    Re: Now its, "Concelebration"
    « Reply #11 on: July 21, 2017, 10:52:12 PM »
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  • Do you even read topics before posting completely irrelevant things?
    Even when he reads the topic, poche still posts irrelevant things.
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    Re: Now its, "Concelebration"
    « Reply #12 on: July 21, 2017, 10:59:28 PM »
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  • Here is the entire substance of the news item worthy of distribution from Traditio:

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    Now Francis-Bergoglio is imposing this ... "concelebration" in the colleges and seminaries of Newrome. The Congregation for the [New]clergy is working secretly on a document that will impose "concelebration" under the Protestant doctrine that "the celebration in community must always be preferred to individual celebration." Francis-Bergoglio in an April Fools' Day 2017 address, stated the purpose of such an imposition: "to overcome individualism." Tyrant Stalin couldn't have put it better! [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by the Newvatican Press Office.]
    I removed the word "condemned" because there is no reference to any such condemnation, nor do I recall ever hearing of one. Previous Popes might have mentioned something in passing regarding a priest offering Mass by himself, but in the Roman Rite it is of such longstanding tradition for one priest to say Mass alone that it doesn't warrant discussion or instruction. In a Solemn High Mass, there is a Priest, Deacon and Sub-Deacon, each of the latter two possibly being priests, if no deacons are available.
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