Author Topic: Novus Ordos eating right after mess (Read 2446 times)

Disputaciones · « **on:** October 19, 2014, 10:47:14 AM »

I have noticed that in some novus ordo churches, the people start eating stuff right after the mess, and actually before the president has even left the building and while they're still singing the "communion song". They start handing out juices and things like snacks etc. at the entrance, right in front of the main door, not even farther out in what would be considered the courtyard.

Did such a thing ever happen before Vatican 2? I wouldn't think so since the Mass had just ended and not even a minute would've passed since you would've received Our Lord.

stgobnait · « **Reply #1 on:** October 19, 2014, 12:30:14 PM »

we were taught to take three sips of water before we ate, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost.

Disputaciones · « **Reply #2 on:** October 19, 2014, 01:07:32 PM »

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we were taught to take three sips of water before we ate, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost.

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St Magnus · « **Reply #3 on:** October 19, 2014, 02:26:44 PM »

There is no stated guideline on the issue. All you will find is suggestions that one wait 15 minutes after receiving before eating or drinking anything other than water.

Usually, the Mass, be it NO or TLM doesn't end until nearly 15 minutes after Communion anyhow. But, some NO's do end sooner, especially weekday Masses.

It's not uncommon for members of trad chapels to meet in the church hall right after Mass for coffee and snacks.

St Magnus · « **Reply #4 on:** October 19, 2014, 02:34:15 PM »

Quote from: Disputaciones

Did such a thing ever happen before Vatican 2? I wouldn't think so since the Mass had just ended and not even a minute would've passed since you would've received Our Lord.

What would lead you to believe that ?

Lighthouse · « **Reply #5 on:** October 19, 2014, 02:49:03 PM »

One must allow sufficient time after receiving to show respect and appreciation. The traditional Mass provided this in part by the prescribed prayers.

I'm not sure whether it was before or after V II that I started seeing some receive communion and walk straight to their cars.

In any case I have never seen a restriction placed on eating AFTER Mass is over. Many traditional parishes have donuts etc. available in a common room. When I was young (pre V II), the school children were required to be at Mass the first thing on every weekday, that is, at least 6 days of Mass every week. Breakfast was served by the school immediately after Mass.

OHCA · « **Reply #6 on:** October 19, 2014, 02:50:09 PM »

You mean they're passing out juice & snacks in the reception line to glad-hand & hug "father?" LoL That's a new one on me and I was in conciliardom for 40 years. Luckily I was in somewhat conservative parishes.

songbird · « **Reply #7 on:** October 19, 2014, 04:14:55 PM »

No one has mentioned the fast prior to Holy Eucharist. Day before, supper and bed and no water, nothing until after Holy Eucharist. By the time Mass is finished and in the classroom, we then ate our breakfast than class began.

New Order are told they may fast one hour before Holy Eucharist. That is nothing. You leave the house, drive to church, 15-20 min. Then the rosary, IF, you say any then the Mass which should last 40-45 min. So, no fast. You could eat breakfast, go to Mass and burp as you receive Holy Eucharist.

I do believe it is said, that Christ is with us for at least 10-15 min. For those who rush out the door to the car, you must face your God on that! Disrespect!!

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 19, 2014, 04:21:59 PM »

For a long time and stretching back to the 1980's I have seen people in the parish hall
having coffee and donuts before the next mass. This at alleged conservative parishes.

ThomisticPhilosopher · « **Reply #9 on:** October 19, 2014, 05:02:29 PM »

Quote from: stgobnait

we were taught to take three sips of water before we ate, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost.

Interesting you said this, but one of the real nice families that I know. Told me something similar. They carried a water bottle and made sure to drink some water, before eating anything. It was from them that I actually learned about that, previous to that I never heard of that. I wish I would have been told, but I don't remember hearing about that. I guess I never really thought about it. I never immediately eat after mass anyways its usually like 30 minutes to an hour later, sometimes even more. So by that enough saliva has really been swallowed so that no particle is left in my mouth. This applies to all those who carry around cookies, snacks etc... I just eat real whole food, I don't put junk in my mouth anymore (not that it is sinful, but just personal preference).

I guess it also depends, is the person who is consuming the food one who received communion. Whether you receive communion or not, you should always say a Thanksgiving prayer.

I could see how an older person who needs to take medication might do such a thing without fear of scandal. The best thing to do when it comes to things of this sort, is to give them the benefit of the doubt and might be good to remind the people handing out the stuff about that.

Now of course, you said a Conciliar Church. In the first place you shouldn't be there, but if you HAPPENED to be walking around. Then noticing such a thing, could happen all the time.

For all purposes, the Novus Ordo is an Anglican type of situation. You have your High Church Anglicans, broad church, low church and it really depends who the president of the assembly is.

If he is remotely Catholic and has some Orthodoxy you would see much less of these things going on. Even more if the President, is celebrating some indult either every day, or weekly or monthly. They tend to be a little more doctrinally sound, but it really depends.

In my whole "diocese" within the Conciliar framework, more then 100+ "priest's" and out of all of those just 1 has the Catholic faith. Another one, is heading towards the right direction. That is just in my own city, but it just gives a clue as to how bad things are.

ThomisticPhilosopher · « **Reply #10 on:** October 19, 2014, 05:13:05 PM »

Quote from: songbird

No one has mentioned the fast prior to Holy Eucharist. Day before, supper and bed and no water, nothing until after Holy Eucharist. By the time Mass is finished and in the classroom, we then ate our breakfast than class began.

New Order are told they may fast one hour before Holy Eucharist. That is nothing. You leave the house, drive to church, 15-20 min. Then the rosary, IF, you say any then the Mass which should last 40-45 min. So, no fast. You could eat breakfast, go to Mass and burp as you receive Holy Eucharist.

I do believe it is said, that Christ is with us for at least 10-15 min. For those who rush out the door to the car, you must face your God on that! Disrespect!!

Glad you mentioned this, the fast before Holy communion. No one really keeps that in the Novus Ordo, even the "one hour fast." I remember there was a funeral of a good friend of mine when I was younger, his dad passed away (may he rest in peace). The entire family, not even one of them including my friend (son). All of them ate right before, literally 5 minutes before the Novus Ordo assembly service.

All of them received the cookie wafer the President was offering to the congregation. I did not participate in the Novus Ordo, but I knew from Canon law that I could attend a non-Catholic rite for funerals & weddings of really close people.

Just like in the Novus Ordo, an overwhelming majority of people go to Saturday to fulfill their Holy Day. All of them eat meat on Friday, most of them never go to confession, yet always go to Communion. Its a joke really, they also never go to Holy Day's of obligation during the week. This is because the "Bishop" always postpones it to Sunday, the only exception to those days is like Ascension Thursday (where in the feastday it has a specific day mentioned).

I personally think that even High Church Anglicans, have a more ascetical life then the average Novus Ordo person within their disciplinary liturgical life.

I know several Protestants, and all of them do fasting and prayer. Something I have yet to see within the Conciliar Church. They can't even spell the word fast... Its all about the Risen Christ, and everything that used to represent mourning, and fasting has changed to joyful bright colors now.

Disputaciones · « **Reply #11 on:** October 19, 2014, 05:24:41 PM »

Quote from: St Magnus

There is no stated guideline on the issue. All you will find is suggestions that one wait 15 minutes after receiving before eating or drinking anything other than water.

Where would you find this?

Quote from: St Magnus

Usually, the Mass, be it NO or TLM doesn't end until nearly 15 minutes after Communion anyhow. But, some NO's do end sooner, especially weekday Masses.

This is happening in the Sunday masses, not on weekdays.

Quote from: St Magnus

It's not uncommon for members of trad chapels to meet in the church hall right after Mass for coffee and snacks.

Does this happen after the 15 minutes you say?

Quote from: St Magnus

Quote from: Disputaciones

Did such a thing ever happen before Vatican 2? I wouldn't think so since the Mass had just ended and not even a minute would've passed since you would've received Our Lord.

What would lead you to believe that ?

Because I have seen this is what they do. Today I was standing like 100 meters away watching with my binoculars, and I could tell that communion had barely ended, the songs were still going, and people started to go out in front of the main doors to distribute the food and drinks.

The "presider" hadn't even left the building yet when this started.

Disputaciones · « **Reply #12 on:** October 19, 2014, 05:35:49 PM »

Quote from: OHCA

You mean they're passing out juice & snacks in the reception line to glad-hand & hug "father?" LoL That's a new one on me and I was in conciliardom for 40 years. Luckily I was in somewhat conservative parishes.

Where I saw this was in a new novus ordo "chapel" (although they want to make the thing a "parish"), so the building is somewhat small.

This was done, as it usually is, right outside the front doors; the simulator left through a side door and didn't get anything.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #13 on:** October 20, 2014, 02:45:37 PM »

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Today I was standing like 100 meters away watching with my binoculars, and I could tell that communion had barely ended, the songs were still going, and people started to go out in front of the main doors to distribute the food and drinks.

Hey, this just got a little spooky!

OHCA · « **Reply #14 on:** October 20, 2014, 06:22:47 PM »

Quote from: ThomisticPhilosopher

I did not participate in the Novus Ordo, but I knew from Canon law that I could attend a non-Catholic rite for funerals & weddings of really close people.

Not to be holier-than-thou as I don't know what I would do in that situation. But objectively speaking, I don't think one should present himself at an NO "mass." I am aware of the exceptions for non-Catholic weddings and funerals. But an NO "mass" is a sacrilege in that either 1) it purports to be a real Mass but is not thus mimics the true sacrifice of the Mass; or 2) it really is a Mass but is sacrilege because of heresies iterated (or at least until recently were iterated) and the extreme disrespect with which the Body of Christ is treated.