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Offline Loys

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« Reply #60 on: October 22, 2015, 10:11:35 PM »
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  • Yeah they are terrible. And they are liars.

    An individual who produced videos for them (J.M.) in the past summed Michael Dimond up as a "cold blooded money machine". There was a lot of scandal when that Natale died and they moved their scam to Fillmore, NY.

     


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    « Reply #61 on: October 22, 2015, 10:25:42 PM »
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    I don't think it's fair to call MHFM clowns because despite their behaviour (calling everyone heretic) they are not using false doctrine, false docuмents or anything.
    ...
    It's doing more harm than good, but  I can't call them clowns for doing that. Clowns use lies and dishonest methods in which I don't believe they use.


    They are very clever, no doubt, but lack charity. The utilize conjecture and omission to spread their misconceptions.  Pray for them.




    JohnAnthonyMarie,

    You used to mentor the Dimonds with their website building. How and when did you cease & desist?

    Can you determine if they were always Feeneyites?

    Also do you know if Michael Dimond has close Jєωιѕн ancestry?


    At the time, I was converting their authorship for web presence, one article at a time.  During the conversion of "Peter's" outside the Church there is no salvation, I became aware of their deceptive means, omission and conjecture.  I brought this to their attention.  They called me names, condemned me to hell, and then slandered my name with lies on their webpage.

    They have the audacity of entertainers, ultra egomaniacs.


    Could you give me some examples of their deceptive means? What was the question in fact when you pointed out to them ?
    Do you remember when was your question? I could search on their e-exchange archive to see how they have answered.

    I don't like MHFM on the personal level, but so far I'm looking sincerely for proofs that they use deception methods.

    The fact that I don't like the way the treat other people does not mean I can say that they use false docuмents or lies.


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    « Reply #62 on: October 23, 2015, 08:10:37 AM »
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    I don't think it's fair to call MHFM clowns because despite their behaviour (calling everyone heretic) they are not using false doctrine, false docuмents or anything.
    ...
    It's doing more harm than good, but  I can't call them clowns for doing that. Clowns use lies and dishonest methods in which I don't believe they use.


    They are very clever, no doubt, but lack charity. The utilize conjecture and omission to spread their misconceptions.  Pray for them.




    JohnAnthonyMarie,

    You used to mentor the Dimonds with their website building. How and when did you cease & desist?

    Can you determine if they were always Feeneyites?

    Also do you know if Michael Dimond has close Jєωιѕн ancestry?


    At the time, I was converting their authorship for web presence, one article at a time.  During the conversion of "Peter's" outside the Church there is no salvation, I became aware of their deceptive means, omission and conjecture.  I brought this to their attention.  They called me names, condemned me to hell, and then slandered my name with lies on their webpage.

    They have the audacity of entertainers, ultra egomaniacs.


    Could you give me some examples of their deceptive means? What was the question in fact when you pointed out to them ?
    Do you remember when was your question? I could search on their e-exchange archive to see how they have answered.

    I don't like MHFM on the personal level, but so far I'm looking sincerely for proofs that they use deception methods.

    The fact that I don't like the way the treat other people does not mean I can say that they use false docuмents or lies.


    If you read the below articles you will see that they take quotes out of context and delete part of quotes that do not suit their purpose.  They are deceptive in the same way as the devil by lying with the truth.  

    Quote
    Satan:  No, you shall not die the death.  


    This was true.  They did not die when they ate.  But their souls died and death entered the world.  Satan conveniently left this part out.  

    Quote
    For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


    When they ate their eyes were opened and they learned evil for the first time and also good as opposed to evil and what happens when one avoids good and does evil whereas before they did not know this.  The learned good as what happens when evil is done and the punishment that is avoided when good is done instead of evil.  But he failed to mention that point.  

    The Dimonds say Pope such and such said this, but the don't mention or stress the part they left out or the context where he would appear to contradict himself if you read something else he wrote or read earlier or later in the same docuмent they quote which would contradict their fanciful interpretation.  Of course the Popes they quote do not contradict themselves but they contradict the Dimonds interpration of EENS.  

    They are more effectively deceptive than most human beings because they lie with the truth.  And they know this, otherwise they would not delete part of the quotes without using ellipsis and repeatedly take things out of context.  

    They quote true things but take it out of context and delete part of the quotes.  The quote is true but only properly understood and taken in context:

    http://www.the-pope.com/BOB_BOD_BOK.html

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #63 on: October 23, 2015, 04:12:20 PM »
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    I don't think it's fair to call MHFM clowns because despite their behaviour (calling everyone heretic) they are not using false doctrine, false docuмents or anything.
    ...
    It's doing more harm than good, but  I can't call them clowns for doing that. Clowns use lies and dishonest methods in which I don't believe they use.


    They are very clever, no doubt, but lack charity. The utilize conjecture and omission to spread their misconceptions.  Pray for them.




    JohnAnthonyMarie,

    You used to mentor the Dimonds with their website building. How and when did you cease & desist?

    Can you determine if they were always Feeneyites?

    Also do you know if Michael Dimond has close Jєωιѕн ancestry?


    At the time, I was converting their authorship for web presence, one article at a time.  During the conversion of "Peter's" outside the Church there is no salvation, I became aware of their deceptive means, omission and conjecture.  I brought this to their attention.  They called me names, condemned me to hell, and then slandered my name with lies on their webpage.

    They have the audacity of entertainers, ultra egomaniacs.


    Could you give me some examples of their deceptive means? What was the question in fact when you pointed out to them ?
    Do you remember when was your question? I could search on their e-exchange archive to see how they have answered.

    I don't like MHFM on the personal level, but so far I'm looking sincerely for proofs that they use deception methods.

    The fact that I don't like the way the treat other people does not mean I can say that they use false docuмents or lies.


    If you read the below articles you will see that they take quotes out of context and delete part of quotes that do not suit their purpose.  They are deceptive in the same way as the devil by lying with the truth.  

    Quote
    Satan:  No, you shall not die the death.  


    This was true.  They did not die when they ate.  But their souls died and death entered the world.  Satan conveniently left this part out.  

    Quote
    For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


    When they ate their eyes were opened and they learned evil for the first time and also good as opposed to evil and what happens when one avoids good and does evil whereas before they did not know this.  The learned good as what happens when evil is done and the punishment that is avoided when good is done instead of evil.  But he failed to mention that point.  

    The Dimonds say Pope such and such said this, but the don't mention or stress the part they left out or the context where he would appear to contradict himself if you read something else he wrote or read earlier or later in the same docuмent they quote which would contradict their fanciful interpretation.  Of course the Popes they quote do not contradict themselves but they contradict the Dimonds interpration of EENS.  

    They are more effectively deceptive than most human beings because they lie with the truth.  And they know this, otherwise they would not delete part of the quotes without using ellipsis and repeatedly take things out of context.  

    They quote true things but take it out of context and delete part of the quotes.  The quote is true but only properly understood and taken in context:

    http://www.the-pope.com/BOB_BOD_BOK.html



    The only issue I found so far with this website is that in part 4 it says

    "But to deliberately forge St. Thomas Aquinas' medicinal manual for the soul - the Summa, well that can be criminal."

    St. Thomas Aquinas could be wrong and he says it in such case we must believe in the Church and not him. Not every word that comes from theologians and Saints are infallible

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    « Reply #64 on: October 26, 2015, 08:11:45 AM »
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  • Quote from: LucasL
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    I don't think it's fair to call MHFM clowns because despite their behaviour (calling everyone heretic) they are not using false doctrine, false docuмents or anything.
    ...
    It's doing more harm than good, but  I can't call them clowns for doing that. Clowns use lies and dishonest methods in which I don't believe they use.


    They are very clever, no doubt, but lack charity. The utilize conjecture and omission to spread their misconceptions.  Pray for them.




    JohnAnthonyMarie,

    You used to mentor the Dimonds with their website building. How and when did you cease & desist?

    Can you determine if they were always Feeneyites?

    Also do you know if Michael Dimond has close Jєωιѕн ancestry?


    At the time, I was converting their authorship for web presence, one article at a time.  During the conversion of "Peter's" outside the Church there is no salvation, I became aware of their deceptive means, omission and conjecture.  I brought this to their attention.  They called me names, condemned me to hell, and then slandered my name with lies on their webpage.

    They have the audacity of entertainers, ultra egomaniacs.


    Could you give me some examples of their deceptive means? What was the question in fact when you pointed out to them ?
    Do you remember when was your question? I could search on their e-exchange archive to see how they have answered.

    I don't like MHFM on the personal level, but so far I'm looking sincerely for proofs that they use deception methods.

    The fact that I don't like the way the treat other people does not mean I can say that they use false docuмents or lies.


    If you read the below articles you will see that they take quotes out of context and delete part of quotes that do not suit their purpose.  They are deceptive in the same way as the devil by lying with the truth.  

    Quote
    Satan:  No, you shall not die the death.  


    This was true.  They did not die when they ate.  But their souls died and death entered the world.  Satan conveniently left this part out.  

    Quote
    For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


    When they ate their eyes were opened and they learned evil for the first time and also good as opposed to evil and what happens when one avoids good and does evil whereas before they did not know this.  The learned good as what happens when evil is done and the punishment that is avoided when good is done instead of evil.  But he failed to mention that point.  

    The Dimonds say Pope such and such said this, but the don't mention or stress the part they left out or the context where he would appear to contradict himself if you read something else he wrote or read earlier or later in the same docuмent they quote which would contradict their fanciful interpretation.  Of course the Popes they quote do not contradict themselves but they contradict the Dimonds interpration of EENS.  

    They are more effectively deceptive than most human beings because they lie with the truth.  And they know this, otherwise they would not delete part of the quotes without using ellipsis and repeatedly take things out of context.  

    They quote true things but take it out of context and delete part of the quotes.  The quote is true but only properly understood and taken in context:

    http://www.the-pope.com/BOB_BOD_BOK.html



    The only issue I found so far with this website is that in part 4 it says

    "But to deliberately forge St. Thomas Aquinas' medicinal manual for the soul - the Summa, well that can be criminal."

    St. Thomas Aquinas could be wrong and he says it in such case we must believe in the Church and not him. Not every word that comes from theologians and Saints are infallible


    Did you miss part two?

    This needs to go in the feeneyite section.  Do you trust your judgement to interpret the Bible and understand Church teach more than Aquinas?

    How about in regards to the above and in regards to Trent?  Do you trust your ability interpret Trent more than you trust Saint Robert Bellarmine and Saint  Alphonsus de Liguori to do so?  

    Please stick with the OP of this thread or go to the Feeneyite section.  By your signature you seem to have already come to a conclusion.  If you are sincere and looking for answers ask in the appropriate section.  If you are trying to teach, teach someone else.  I say that with all due respect.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church