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Offline Maria Regina

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« on: October 18, 2015, 04:13:21 AM »
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  • http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/archives/09-2015.html

    One of my friends provided a link to this site and to this horrible event which recently concluded. Do they reconsecrate the church after defiling it?

    Who runs this website? Can it be trusted?

    Lord have mercy.


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    « Reply #1 on: October 18, 2015, 04:44:03 AM »
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  • I don't know who runs it, but the site simply provides links to other news and commentary sites about the Conciliar church.  They do add their own commentary to some of their links, but they are, for the most part, just a central point for disseminating news and commentary.  I have noted that on those rare occasions when it turns out they linked to a false story (i.e., a parody website or an actually falsified news event) they have immediately removed the link from their website.  

    It seems to me that Novus Ordo Watch is pretty reliable and can be trusted with what it claims to do which is, "Exposing the Modernist Vatican II Church".

    The link to the "News Wire" is:  http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/index.htm  It is updated fairly frequently.

    Someone recently wrote on this forum that their headlines are sensationalized.  But I think that the headlines are almost always a true reflection of the accompanying story.

    By the way, I've never heard that the Conciliar church reconsecrates a church after defiling it.  After all, this is what the Conciliar priests and bishops think the Church is for!  Why would they reconsecrate it?


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    « Reply #2 on: October 18, 2015, 07:14:09 AM »
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  • I don't know if they can be trusted. I proceed with them with the same caution I proceed vising Bro. Dimond website: see the docuмents and read for myself. I may read/hear their explanations after.

    Read and see the docuмents, the doctrine and the evidence for youself as Bishop Williamson has recommended to us. We have very huge material over the internet that can be trusted as verbatim copies. There's a tremendous effort into translating the Councils docuмents into english, still for study Canon Law or other deep works one must learn latim. But we as the layman don't have to read latim and today most important docuмents are translated into major languages: english, french and spanish.

    See the docuмents for yourself is my best answer. Regarding the news section, I have no problem with that, in fact is a good source of up to date news coming from Pope Francis. It makes easier to see one website with recent news so you don't have to do many clicks. But you can't expect to find everything new there; most information posted in english websites plus there're others independent journalist thay may not get into mainstream media.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 18, 2015, 07:40:27 AM »
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  • This article for instance is very good and unfortunately I came to know only recently:
    http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/bob-lubic-the-punk-priest.htm

    There's another one
     and this

    I know a lot of people don't like reading/knowing these things but it's important to know how far things are going and how in danger we are. I'm posting this because I think I could not answer your question in a proper way so I'd say yes, you can trust the news they post :)


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    « Reply #4 on: October 18, 2015, 08:00:02 AM »
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  • For the most part, I think it can be trusted.  Even as a sedevacantist I sometimes think they go overboard in the way they report things. I would not equate them with the DB's: I rarely go to their website unless they pop up on a google search of mine.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    « Reply #5 on: October 18, 2015, 04:09:57 PM »
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  • Thank you for your replies.
    Lord have mercy.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 18, 2015, 05:08:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Catholictrue
    Novus Ordo Watch became sedevacantist around 2002 after seeing a video put out by MHFM and the Dimond Brothers. If that hadn't happened, he'd probably still be an SSPX supporter.  2Vermont says: I would not equate them with the Dimond Brothers.

    2Vermont's implication is wrong.  The Dimond Brothers and MHFM's material is better, more reliable.  While Novus Ordo Watch has some good information, they are seriously wrong on the salvation and baptism issues.  By the way, 2Vermont recently cited some statements on Islam and linked to another site.  Those were also quotes that originally appeared on MHFM and the Dimond Brothers' site.  If you have problems with MHFM's material, it's really because you are too liberal or lacking in faith to receive the full truth.


    So are you Peter or Michael?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #7 on: October 18, 2015, 05:33:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: 2Vermont
    Quote from: Catholictrue
    Novus Ordo Watch became sedevacantist around 2002 after seeing a video put out by MHFM and the Dimond Brothers. If that hadn't happened, he'd probably still be an SSPX supporter.  2Vermont says: I would not equate them with the Dimond Brothers.

    2Vermont's implication is wrong.  The Dimond Brothers and MHFM's material is better, more reliable.  While Novus Ordo Watch has some good information, they are seriously wrong on the salvation and baptism issues.  By the way, 2Vermont recently cited some statements on Islam and linked to another site.  Those were also quotes that originally appeared on MHFM and the Dimond Brothers' site.  If you have problems with MHFM's material, it's really because you are too liberal or lacking in faith to receive the full truth.


    So are you Peter or Michael?


    Isn't one of them named Fred?
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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    « Reply #8 on: October 19, 2015, 10:29:55 AM »
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  • Personally I believe that Novus Ordo Watch is the best site in existence (that I have encountered).  No I don't run it.   :roll-laugh2:

    IMO, based upon my reading of theological manuals the people on that site seem entrenched in orthodoxy and are quite reliable, even-handed and balanced.  Their tradcast episodes also confirm this.

    http://www.novusordowatch.org/tradcast/index.html

    The articles their are particularly beneficial and entertaining such as the below:

    http://www.novusordowatch.org/the_chair_is_still_empty.htm#.ViUHZk2FOnp

    People don't like reading anything more than a few pages anymore but the above is hard to top.  

    All the articles by Gregorious are great:

    Then there is this which is very helpful:

    http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/sedevacantism-a-primer.htm

    The resources here are incredible:

    http://www.novusordowatch.org/resources.htm

    All the links at the bottom of this page are helpful as well:

    http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/why-sedevacantism-cekada.htm

    They back up what they say with excellent resources, manuals, books, encyclicals, etc.  Plus the wit and humor are nice bit of frosting on the cake.

    Since John Lane's site is defunct my next choice would be the CMRI site (though I don't agree with them in regards to donating vital organs when "brain-dead" and possibly on NFP:

    http://www.cmri.org/

    Regarding sites that are continually updated Christ or Chaos is rather reliable, though again, these days, people generally do not like to read, Dr. Droleskey has had seminary training and is rather knowledgeable for a lay-man and has that good sense of humor that I have seen on Novus Ordo Watch.  I guess you have to have a sense of humor these days.

    I'm somewhat partial to Daily Catholic run by Michael Cain who also has seminary training and is very devout, sincere and knowledgeable:

    http://www.dailycatholic.org/

    The "Features and Articles" section is my favorite but he has a plethora of things on that site that can be beneficial to any Catholic.  

    The below site, run be Griff Ruby who was beneficial in getting me to see things and very patient with all my objections and devil's advocate posturing, is excellent but I believe the site is not as frequently updated as others:

    http://the-pope.com/

    But the Library archive where you can read theology manuals is most beneficial for the reading man.  

    https://archive.org/



    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #9 on: October 19, 2015, 11:48:52 AM »
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  • Even if one might think the commentaries provided are "over the top" (I don't, but some people do), what the website does is to link to hard-news sites and official websites of the Conciliar Church as well as to youtube videos of actual events.  The site also links to other commentaries, which can easily be ignored.

    I don't know how the site could be considered "unreliable".  It would be like claiming that a docuмent on the Vatican website isn't a reliable indication of what the docuмent actually says.  (Which, come to think about it, is something many of the anti-sedevacantists on this very forum do!  Interesting.)

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    « Reply #10 on: October 19, 2015, 11:56:38 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Even if one might think the commentaries provided are "over the top" (I don't, but some people do), what the website does is to link to hard-news sites and official websites of the Conciliar Church as well as to youtube videos of actual events.  The site also links to other commentaries, which can easily be ignored.

    I don't know how the site could be considered "unreliable".  It would be like claiming that a docuмent on the Vatican website isn't a reliable indication of what the docuмent actually says.  (Which, come to think about it, is something many of the anti-sedevacantists on this very forum do!  Interesting.)


    Yeah.  It helps when you are only concerned about the truth.  No need to treat what comes from the horses mouth like something from the horses other side.  

    The below is an example the hard to find reliable sources that can be found on the site.  

    http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/diaries-msgr-joseph-fenton.htm



    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #11 on: October 19, 2015, 11:58:16 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Even if one might think the commentaries provided are "over the top" (I don't, but some people do), what the website does is to link to hard-news sites and official websites of the Conciliar Church as well as to youtube videos of actual events.  The site also links to other commentaries, which can easily be ignored.

    I don't know how the site could be considered "unreliable".  It would be like claiming that a docuмent on the Vatican website isn't a reliable indication of what the docuмent actually says.  (Which, come to think about it, is something many of the anti-sedevacantists on this very forum do!  Interesting.)


    Yeah.  It helps if you are only concerned about truth.  Treating what comes from the horses mouth like it comes from the horses other side does not help much.

    The below. is an example the hard to find reliable sources that can be found on the site.  

    http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/diaries-msgr-joseph-fenton.htm
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #12 on: October 19, 2015, 11:07:05 PM »
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  • "If I did not believe God, I would be convinced that the Catholic Church was about to end.”
    —Mgr. Joseph C. Fenton on Vatican II, Nov. 23, 1962

    Thank you for posting this link above.

    Msgr. Fenton's insights are wonderful.
    Lord have mercy.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 20, 2015, 05:14:30 AM »
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  • Quote from: Maria Regina
    "If I did not believe God, I would be convinced that the Catholic Church was about to end.”
    —Mgr. Joseph C. Fenton on Vatican II, Nov. 23, 1962

    Thank you for posting this link above.

    Msgr. Fenton's insights are wonderful.


    You are very welcome.  There was not anyone more qualified to speak on the issue.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #14 on: October 20, 2015, 11:34:53 AM »
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  • Who is Gregorious? Does he have a website or something?