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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2015, 11:37:00 AM »
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    Who is Gregorious? Does he have a website or something?


    I think it's a pen name.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #16 on: October 20, 2015, 12:02:49 PM »
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  • Does he write exclusively on NovusOrduwatch? I was reading over the internet about an ex-R&R polish man who is now sedevancantist I thought it was him. I don't remember this polish guy blog :(

    There was only a few posts in enligsh so it not be him, I'm just curious though.


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    « Reply #17 on: October 20, 2015, 12:08:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: irirfleo
    Does he write exclusively on NovusOrduwatch? I was reading over the internet about an ex-R&R polish man who is now sedevancantist I thought it was him. I don't remember this polish guy blog :(

    There was only a few posts in enligsh so it not be him, I'm just curious though.


    I'm not sure.  But I would like to read anything by him on any site if anyone comes across anything.  I was incredibly impressed with his writing.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #18 on: October 20, 2015, 12:16:41 PM »
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  • Would you mind sending me more articles from Gregorious? I'd like to read in other to have an opinion about him.

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    « Reply #19 on: October 20, 2015, 12:24:31 PM »
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    Would you mind sending me more articles from Gregorious? I'd like to read in other to have an opinion about him.


    Sure.  Let me look.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #20 on: October 20, 2015, 12:32:21 PM »
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  • http://www.novusordowatch.org/resources.htm

    Click the above link and then scroll down a bit and you will see the following that you can click on:

    Articles by Gregorius


        Quo Vadis, SSPX?: The Society of St. Pius X after the Lifting of the “Excommunications” of 1988

        In January 2009, Modernist Rome issued a decree removing the censures against the SSPX from a decade before. The author looks at the ensuing doctrinal talks between the two sides and warns of what could be a very dangerous outcome.  
         
        Sede Vacante 1958-2008: Reflections on a 50-Year Vacancy of the Apostolic See

        Nineteen fifty-eight was one of the most disastrous years in the long history of the Catholic Church, for with the passing of Pope Pius XII was set in motion a sequence of events so devastating that the Church still hasn't recovered―and this report points to the seizing of the Holy See by her enemies as pivotal.
         
        One and the Same Rite: How Benedict XVI Aims to Destroy the Traditional Latin Mass

        This study concerns Summorum Pontificuм, Benedict XVI's supposed liturgical Magna Carta liberating the Traditional Latin Mass, and shows how it is being used to draw unsuspecting Catholics into the Novus Ordo Church.
         
        Refinishing the Great Facade: The Vatican, the SSPX, and the 'Restoration of Tradition'

        An in-depth exploration of why the "recognize and resist" position regarding Benedict XVI held by the Society of St. Pius X, The Remnant, and others represents a false solution to the crisis that will do exactly the opposite of what they intend: Seriously impede the restoration of Tradition, rather than hasten it.
         
       No Friend of Fatima: Unspinning Christopher Ferrara's Defense of Benedict XVI

        Prior to April 19, 2005, lawyer/journalist Christopher Ferrara was one of the most scathing critics of Fr. Joseph Ratzinger, the head of Modernist Rome's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, yet on that fateful day, when Ratzinger became Benedict XVI, Ferrara has switched from prosecutor to defense attorney. Revealed here is how Ferrara plays spin doctor on a crucial subject: Benedict and the Third Secret of Fatima.
         
        The Chair Is Still Empty: A Response to the Attack on Sedevacantism by John Salza, in 2 Parts

        Also available in French (here) and Spanish (here)
        Ex-Freemason John Salza has become a popular writer/speaker in conservative Novus Ordo and neo-traditionalist circles for his exposés of the Lodge in the Vatican II Church (a "priest" urged him to join the Masons!). But he is also the New Church's latest darling to attempt to refute sedevacantism. Part 1 of Gregorius' response addresses Salza's 2010 article "The Errors of Sedevacantism": Gregorius shows that Salza's critique is based on a flawed understanding of Sacred Theology and Canon Law and so does not pose a genuine challenge to the sedevacantist position. In Part 2, Gregorius deconstructs Salza's embarrassing 2011 article "Sedevacantism and the Sin of Presumption" and shows that Salza's incredibly poor scholarship is matched only by his complete incompetence on the matter he "presumes" to pontificate on. Exit John Salza... Two absolute slam dunks!

        You Can't Have It "Your Way": A Response to Fr. Chazal's Arguments against Sedevacantism

        On Dec. 8, 2013, Fr. Francois Chazal (SSPX-SO) penned a letter to the Rev. Paul Kramer upon learning of the latter's rejection of Francis as the Pope of the Catholic Church and his embrace of "Resignationism", the idea that the Pope is still Benedict XVI. Chazal used the opportunity to make several arguments against the sedevacantist position. In this essay, Gregorius takes Fr. Chazal to task and demonstrates that his argumentation does not hold water and can in fact be used against his own "recognize-and-resist" stance. Absolutely devastating!
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #21 on: October 20, 2015, 12:35:55 PM »
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  • I did not intend the one bolded in red to come out so big.  But that is the best one I read so far, but they are all great.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #22 on: October 20, 2015, 12:45:20 PM »
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    Ha, look at this, how amazing
    "Benedict XVI will seek to destroy the traditional Catholic resistance not by attacking it, but by neutralizing it: he will seek to undermine its reason for being." May 20, 2005


    Just one last question, why is John Salza cited in many "traditional" Catholics websites? He's in the Novus Ordo isn't he?


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    « Reply #23 on: October 20, 2015, 01:52:45 PM »
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    Thanks!

    Ha, look at this, how amazing
    "Benedict XVI will seek to destroy the traditional Catholic resistance not by attacking it, but by neutralizing it: he will seek to undermine its reason for being." May 20, 2005


    Just one last question, why is John Salza cited in many "traditional" Catholics websites? He's in the Novus Ordo isn't he?


    I personally don't know too much about him.  I do know he is very anti-SV and appears to be intellectually dishonest.  I e-mailed him back and forth a few times until he stopped responding.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #24 on: October 20, 2015, 01:55:42 PM »
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    "Benedict XVI will seek to destroy the traditional Catholic resistance not by attacking it, but by neutralizing it: he will seek to undermine its reason for being." May 20, 2005


    Pretty awesome prediction huh.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #25 on: October 20, 2015, 02:12:38 PM »
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  • Quote from: Lover of Truth
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    "Benedict XVI will seek to destroy the traditional Catholic resistance not by attacking it, but by neutralizing it: he will seek to undermine its reason for being." May 20, 2005


    Pretty awesome prediction huh.


    Extremely vague though.


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    « Reply #26 on: October 20, 2015, 02:17:51 PM »
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  • I go to Novus Ordo Watch for Church news like I go to Traditio and MHFM. I have a problem with them though because when I listened to their first "tradcast" I learned that they only consider sedevacantists to be truly Catholic and all the rest of the traditionalists are not Catholic, but merely pseudo-trads or something like that, I don't remember the exact words they used. So I thought that was a schismatic mentality that made me lose respect for them, but I still think the Novus Ordo Wire is worth visiting for the Church news.
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    « Reply #27 on: October 20, 2015, 04:39:26 PM »
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  • Does NovusOrdoWatch considers people who are either sedeprivationist or in the Resistance "heretic" or outside the Church?
    The only group I know so far who considers sedeprivationists and resistance heretics are the MHFM Brothers.

    if someone I could answer me I'd appreciate it.

    Gregorious answer to Fr. Chazal didn't have any "heretic" or anything similar. They just have opposite opinions.


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    « Reply #28 on: October 20, 2015, 05:34:26 PM »
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  • I enjoy the www.novusordowatch.org website.  Some time ago, the owner did a favorable article on my website, www.traditionalcatholic.net

    I pray he is not influenced by the MHFM circus clowns


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    « Reply #29 on: October 21, 2015, 05:23:11 AM »
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  • Quote from: irirfleo
    Does NovusOrdoWatch considers people who are either sedeprivationist or in the Resistance "heretic" or outside the Church?
    The only group I know so far who considers sedeprivationists and resistance heretics are the MHFM Brothers.

    if someone I could answer me I'd appreciate it.

    Gregorious answer to Fr. Chazal didn't have any "heretic" or anything similar. They just have opposite opinions.



    Matt is somewhat confused about things as many of us are.  The fact he goes to MHFM and puts them on the same plane as Novos Watch is evidence of that.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church