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Offline steelcross

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novus ordo vs St. Philomena??
« on: July 02, 2015, 10:40:40 AM »
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  • From what I understand, at least five popes including St. Pius X had encouraged the faithful to ask for St. Philomena's intercession. Cur of ARS had a deep devotion to her as well.
    So my question is, why did pope John XXIII begin to remove St. Philomena out of the church calandar? And why did pope Paul VI complete the work to do so?
    I'd like to know more about this, so I want everyone's knowledge on this subject. Thank you all in advance and God bless you all.

    Offline TKGS

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    novus ordo vs St. Philomena??
    « Reply #1 on: July 02, 2015, 10:56:22 AM »
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  • What I have read (though I no longer have the source) is that Saint Philomena and others were removed from the calendar of the saints because the Conciliar church decided that these saints were based on myth and legend rather than on actual living people.  When the Archdiocese allowed a chapel that had been closed to be used for the exclusive use of the FSSP, they required the name to be changed.  It was originally St. Philomena but had to be renamed Sts. Cecelia and Philomena because St. Philomena could not stand on its own as a name.  


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    novus ordo vs St. Philomena??
    « Reply #2 on: July 02, 2015, 11:04:24 AM »
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  • There were probably many reasons, but it appears it was to undermine the authority and veracity of the papacy, to cast doubt upon the traditions, practices and beliefs of Catholics down through the ages.  

    It also prepared the way for bigger, better changes.  If saints can be made one day, and "deleted" the next, then the sky's the limit in terms of what can be changed or altered.  And the authority that approved the cult of St. Philomena, St. Christopher, etc., is not worthy of being followed or believed.  Nothing is sacred.  Nothing escapes modern "progress".

    It was also motivated, i believe, by a general hatred of all things Catholic.
    Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. - Nicene Creed

    Offline Clemens Maria

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    novus ordo vs St. Philomena??
    « Reply #3 on: July 02, 2015, 11:17:24 AM »
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  • I don't have my copy handy right now but Patrick Henry Omlor wrote an excellent little book/pamphlet concerning this issue.  If I recall correctly, St. Pius X actually condemned anyone who would doubt the truth of the existence and sainthood of St. Philomena.  Here is an excerpt from the book:

    Quote from: Patrick Henry Omlor
    On February 14, 1961, Roncalli, the visible head of the Robber Church, aided by his hit men, attempted to "unperson" St. Philomena by means of a single sentence that appeared on p. 174 of Vol. LIII of Acta Apostasticae[sic*] Sedis: "Festum autem S. Philumenae V. et M. (11 augusti) e quolibet calendario expungatur." "On the other hand, the feast of St. Philomena Virgin and Martyr (August 11th) is expunged from every calendar."

    The forgoing is the final sentence in a section of Chapter V (of a decree of S.R.C.). The heading of this section reads: "De festis quae communiter <<devotionis>> vocantur": "Regarding feasts commonly called 'devotional'." Next follows a list of fourteen feasts which could accurately be described as being purely "devotional" (for example, "The Crown of Thorns" and "The Flight into Egypt"). A concession is then made: "Such are feasts that can be retained if they are connected with a special necessity in certain places."

    Not so lenient is what comes next: "On the other hand, the feast of St. Philomena Virgin and Martyr (August 11th) is expunged from every calendar." What's wrong with this picture? In the first place, St. Philomena's feast on August 11th is not in any sense "devotional," as the very heading of the section purports to be discussing. It is the feast of a Virgin Martyr in the Church's sanctoral cycle to be celebrated with the Mass Loquebar.

    In the second place, in the section "Proprium Sanctorum pro Aliquibus Locis" of altar missals, in which the Masses for the aforesaid fourteen "devotional" feasts appear, we also find the propers of the Mass for the feasts of twenty-three saints including St. Philomena, all of which feasts are by no means "devotional," for they have their place in the sanctoral cycle of the Church's liturgy. Twenty-two of the twenty-three feast days of saints escaped "expunging," the sole exception being that of St. Philomena.

    There's plenty wrong with this picture! The gangsters' hit on St. Philomena was clumsy. Their intention was clearly to eliminate her. But how and where? In a separate section? No, that would have been too obvious. And so, as a last resort it was done by inappropriately slapping on her condemnation as the final sentence of a section devoted to a totally unrelated matter: Regarding feasts commonly called 'DEVOTIONAL'.

    Although expunging St. Philomena's feast "from every calendar" was a serious matter, it was not the same as striking her name from the list of saints; that is, an attempt to "de-canonize" her. Nevertheless it was widely interpreted as such (a result that was probably intended). For example, it merited a mention in the "Britannica Book of the Year 1962". On p. 588 there was also a photo by Ted Polumbaum that originally appeared in Life, depicting a worker smashing a 5-foot casting used for making statues of the Saint.

    The striking from the Church's list of saints the name of a saint already canonized, by its denial of the infallibility of the Church in Her canonizations would be an heretical action, and it would also thereby deny Her indefectibility. After the February 14th St. Valentine's Day Massacre, The Robber Church's "Ministry of Truth" waited two months before doing exactly this, namely, in effect declaring to the world that the Sovereign Pontiff Gregory XVI erred in canonizing St. Philomena: "On April 18, 1961, the Congregation of Rites struck Philomena's name from the list of saints for lack of historical evidence."(95) (There is no recording of this in AAS.)

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    95 PHILOMENA, ST., LEGEND OF, the article by E. Day on p. 292 in Vol. 11 of the NEW Catholic Encyclopedia.


    You can order a copy from here: http://www.catholicresearchinstitute.com/catalog.html

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    novus ordo vs St. Philomena??
    « Reply #4 on: July 02, 2015, 04:35:32 PM »
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  • This might be a little off the lines of saints.  

    I went for roots on my great-great uncle priest and went straight to the archives of his seminary and for 12  years I was told there was nothing to give me.  Finally someone gave me an email of his birth certificate which was all I desired.  Then my emails were sent back to me when I wanted to communicate more!  

    Then I went to the librarian of my home town and his and I asked this librarian who searched for roots, if she ran across this problem and she said, YES!  And the convents as well, if there are any left!  And I asked why this was, but she did not know.

    I think it boils down to devotional for saints and us looking up to our clergy who could be saints.  The communists want more than anything to squash our spiritual to the supernatural to be eliminated.

    St. Philomena is for the Living Rosary, and of course, we can't have Our Lady honored.  The Precious Blood Feast was one of the first feast days off the calendar too, 1 July.  For us to research the Precious Blood, would be just too much for the communist.  That is where the Power is and heaven forbid if we should know that and worship His Blood!


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    novus ordo vs St. Philomena??
    « Reply #5 on: July 02, 2015, 10:33:39 PM »
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  • It is also interesting that St. Maximina, who was martyred in the year 304 A.D. like St. Philomena, and whose remains were discovered in the same catacomb (St. Pricilla's) in the early 1800's, is "down-graded" by the modern church.  

    There is a video about her here:  

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    novus ordo vs St. Philomena??
    « Reply #6 on: July 02, 2015, 10:51:23 PM »
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  • Thank you all for your information. I will look at them.

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    novus ordo vs St. Philomena??
    « Reply #7 on: July 07, 2015, 11:36:03 PM »
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  • St Philomena hasn't disappeared. There is a national shrine. Here is a link;

         http://www.shrineofsaintphilomena.com/


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    novus ordo vs St. Philomena??
    « Reply #8 on: July 09, 2015, 03:29:19 AM »
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  • They deleted Catholicism to make room for Yom kipper and other Vatican II Holidays.
    I saw this on a friend's Parish calendar.  I crossed out these non Catholic holidays.  
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    novus ordo vs St. Philomena??
    « Reply #9 on: July 09, 2015, 03:34:32 AM »
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  • I even drew little fishies for Fridays.  
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

     

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