Author Topic: Novus Ordo Priests (Read 5749 times)

curiouscatholic23 · « **on:** October 12, 2011, 01:12:51 PM »

I became a sedevacantist about 4 months ago and I have no regrets. To me, it is the position that makes the msot sense.

However, the hardest thing about becoming a sedevacantist is acknowledging the fact that all the novus ordo priests ordained in the new rite of ordination are not really catholic priests. So what are they? "Vatican II priests?" This is something I really struggle with because believe it or not I have met some very fine novus ordo priests who from my opinion, genuinely mean well but have this weird type of neocath allegieance to the pope. A lot of these priests are very conservative, very traditional, even say the TLM mass. A few of these priests, either diocesan indult or FSSP, have been very good confessors. Ironically, some of these conservative novus ordo priests have actually been more harsh and direct with me in the confessional than some of the SSPX/CMRI priests I have confessed too. For that I will always be very appreciative.

Even though I am a sede, it just seems crazy to me that a super conservative NO priest who is just hanging on to the NO out of a false sense of obedience is not really a priest. Since he is not a priest, would I just call him MR. Smith instead of FR. Smith? Even though I accept that Pius XII/possibly Cardinal Siri was the last visible pope, this just seems kind of crazy.

curiouscatholic23 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 12, 2011, 01:24:02 PM »

And as a follow up question, since the NO priests are not even valid priests from a sede perspective, do I have a moral obligation to try to remember all the mortal sins I confessed to these "people" and then re-confess those sins to either SSPX/CMRI priests?

I have never gotten a straight answer on this one.

I have talked to SSPX priests who basically told me "chill out dude. don't worry about it, all those sins were forgiven."

And I have talked to sede bishops who pretty much said "I don't really know."
I need some advice because I am paranoid all my confessions to NO imposter priests are not even real confessions, and those sins hang over my salvation. Im afraid that Im forgetting some of my NO confessions. I kind of have scruples which amplifies my anxiety. One of the reasons I have scruples is because according to one of the MHFM videos St. Teresa said "most souls are damned because of bad confessions?" What does that mean?????

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** October 12, 2011, 01:29:45 PM »

Quote from: curiouscatholic23

I became a sedevacantist about 4 months ago and I have no regrets. To me, it is the position that makes the msot sense.

However, the hardest thing about becoming a sedevacantist is acknowledging the fact that all the novus ordo priests ordained in the new rite of ordination are not really catholic priests. So what are they? "Vatican II priests?" This is something I really struggle with because believe it or not I have met some very fine novus ordo priests who from my opinion, genuinely mean well but have this weird type of neocath allegieance to the pope. A lot of these priests are very conservative, very traditional, even say the TLM mass. A few of these priests, either diocesan indult or FSSP, have been very good confessors. Ironically, some of these conservative novus ordo priests have actually been more harsh and direct with me in the confessional than some of the SSPX/CMRI priests I have confessed too. For that I will always be very appreciative.

Even though I am a sede, it just seems crazy to me that a super conservative NO priest who is just hanging on to the NO out of a false sense of obedience is not really a priest. Since he is not a priest, would I just call him MR. Smith instead of FR. Smith? Even though I accept that Pius XII/possibly Cardinal Siri was the last visible pope, this just seems kind of crazy.

Go with your instincts -- it IS crazy.

I don't think we can say that no Novus Ordo priests have valid orders.

I think it's more likely that the majority of the Novus Ordo establishment has some degree of error, most are weak, most are not malicious, etc.

I think one of the biggest problems in the Traditional Catholic world is the fact that people talk about "Sedevacantism" as if it's just a decision about whether post-Vatican II Popes actually held the Papacy at all. No, it's a LOT more than that -- Sedevacantist should be "Ecclesiavacantist" because it's always about the entire Church, not just the Pope.

"Sedevacantist" implies that a good Catholic is just judging that the man commonly known as the Pope isn't a pope at all -- or if you don't like the term "judge", he's just calling a spade a spade, using his common sense, sensus catholicus, or what have you. But it's rather innocuous -- it seems to only affect one man -- the man popularly known as pope.

But really it's much, much more than that. The status of the whole Novus Ordo establishment is at stake -- hundreds of thousands of priests, many bishops, the entire Church hierarchy (without exception; not just a few dozen Masons), the validity of the Mass, etc.

aquinasnmore · « **Reply #3 on:** October 12, 2011, 01:29:48 PM »

The real issue is whether or not the NO priests are validly ordained in spite of what you believe.

If they are then you don't need to go to confession again. If they aren't then they don't have the power to absolve you and you should go again.

There is also the possibility that since you previously believed that you were doing the correct thing that God still gave you the grace of the sacrament.

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** October 12, 2011, 01:33:14 PM »

Oh, and I will ask you kindly (just this one more time) to post any Crisis in the Church-related posts in the CRISIS subforum. That's what it's there for. Thank you.