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http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/priest-warns-francis.htm

As we predicted early on, Francis has caused nothing but chaos in the Modernist Sect since he began to play “Bishop of Rome” on March 13, 2013. Apparently not familiar with the job description of even Novus Ordo “Pope”, Francis has recently announced that when it comes to the question about whether Lutherans and “Catholics” can participate in each other’s “communion” (which he called the “Lord’s Supper”), he will leave this to “those who understand”, to “the theologians”, because it is “not my competence”, as he said in an answer riddled with heresy on November 15 during a visit to one of Rome’s Lutheran churches. If you haven’t seen this story yet, be sure to check out our post on it, as well as a few other commentaries:

•Francis to Lutherans: “Life is bigger than Explanations” about Communion! (Novus Ordo Watch)
•Francis says Lutheranism, Catholicism essentially same, Lutherans can ‘discern’ to receive Eucharist (Veneremur Cernui)
•Lutheran Questions: Few Catholic Answers (Harvesting the Fruit)

It has been evident from the beginning that theology isn’t his thing (especially not Catholic theology), and yet this admitted fact doesn’t keep him from constantly “instructing” his sheeple through daily homilies that usually consist of gratuitous insults and pseudo-spiritual rambling with a hefty portion of bizarre metaphors that have no clear meaning apart from what Francis spontaneously assigns to them, as manifested by the context. Not to mention his constant speeches, interviews, phone calls, addresses, and endless documents.

After issuing the motu proprio granting drive-thru annulments, after promoting more Naturalism in his visit to the U.S. and Cuba, and after a tumultuous synod on the family and another scandalous interview by Eugenio Scalfari, Francis has now kicked things up yet another notch by announcing this past Sunday that Lutherans should just “discern” if they can receive Novus Ordo communion, after “talking to the Lord” and “moving forward.” Well that would also settle the issue of “Catholic” adulterers, wouldn’t it?

All this is taking place even after it had already come to light that some high-ranking clergy in the Vatican were becoming restless about Francis’ path of theological and spiritual destruction and preparing to move against him in some way or another. And just yesterday, on Nov. 16, the reliable Novus Ordo insider Edward Pentin, journalist for the National Catholic Register, reported the following on Twitter: “Senior Vatican official speaking anon[ymously]: ‘This pontificate poses serious risks for the integrity of Catholic teaching in faith and morals’” (source):

We’ve said before that the Bergoglian chaos can’t last much longer without someone blowing a fuse soon. Well, it looks like now someone has.

On November 16, “Father” George David Byers, a Novus Ordo parish priest in North Carolina who blogs at Arise! Let Us Be Going!, and who is actually one of those special “missionaries of mercy” appointed by Francis for the upcoming jubilee year, published an open letter in which he warns the “Pope” that if he should attempt to make this sort of “communion-for-all” nonsense part of the infallible ordinary Magisterium, that the Holy Ghost would intervene and prevent him from doing so, either by causing his death somehow, or by incapacitating him:

I note your overture to a Lutheran woman at the Lutheran church on Via Sicilia in Rome on 15 November 2015, the one who asked about intercommunion (starting minute 21.00 on the Vatican YouTube video).

I had to wonder before if your recent interview with Eugenio Scalfari was correctly reported. I now have no doubt.

With due respect to your person and your office, I ask you not to make this kind of thing part of what you want to publish about the Synod with the authority of the infallible ordinary magisterium, which you inferred you would most certainly do in your speech of October 17, 2015.

If you do this, going against the doctrine of the Church, grave matters of faith and morals, on so very many points on so very many levels …, and precisely as the Bishop of Rome, the Successor of Peter, and this not just to a journalist, or a single woman, but to the universal Church, deciding what is now a matter of extreme controversy, well, you won’t be able to do it. You will either die or be incapacitated, much as Pope Sixtus V dropped dead before he could accomplish his own will on a matter also touching on marriage and divorce, which I wrote about for your own benefit....

...But the Bishop of Rome has no right to change the truth before the Living God, who is Himself Living Truth. You will not get the chance to do this, as you will surely die of natural causes, or because you are martyred, or because you are otherwise incapacitated.

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Hier stehe ich. Ich kann nicht anders. Gott helfe mir.

— Father George David Byers // 16 November 2015 // Andrews, NC, USA

(“Death or Incapacitation of Pope Francis: Soon”, Arise! Let Us Be Going!, Nov. 16, 2015)

Very interesting stuff. Although it probably wasn’t the smartest thing to invoke the infamous saying of Martin Luther at the end, with which the German heresiarch justified his resistance to Catholic dogma and to the Pope: “Hier stehe ich. Ich kann nicht anders. Gott helfe mir” (“Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me.”). Seriously — Martin Luther, in a post against Francis for promoting intercommunion with Lutherans? Hello?!

Well, at least Mr. Byers recognizes that Almighty God protects all legitimate successors of St. Peter from doing things that would run contrary to the infallibility of the Pope and the infallibility and indefectibility of the Catholic Church. But herein lies the rub: This only, of course, applies to true Popes and the true Church. Therefore, we know that Byers’ prediction will come to nothing, because Francis is not a true Pope, and his sect is not the Catholic Church.

What is puzzling to see is that although we have a number of people in the Novus Ordo acknowledging that Francis cannot cross the line without proving false his claim to being Pope, it seems that this line keeps moving further and further out. Perhaps “Fr.” Byers is not aware, but Francis long ago crossed that line. For example, by canonizing as a “saint” the public apostate Karol Wojtyla, aka “Pope” John Paul II. Canonizations are infallible acts of the Roman Pontiff. Since a public apostate cannot be a Catholic saint, Francis definitively proved that he is not a true Pope because he, using infallible and definitive language, declared John Paul II to be a Catholic saint.

Remember? Let’s review:

•“Saint” John Paul II? A Reality Check
•It’s Decision Time: The “Canonization” of John Paul II
•A Saint He Ain’t: The Facts about John Paul II

Sorry, “Fr.” Byers, but Francis did not drop dead before “canonizing” John Paul II. Back in 2011, The Remnant’s celebrated rhetorician Christopher Ferrara had already dared to make a similar prediction, insisting that it would be impossible — yes, he used that word! — for a Pope to make John Paul II a saint, and he even insinuated that Benedict XVI possibly resigned in order to prevent such a “canonization” — a most ridiculous argument for sure!

Yet, what happened? Nothing, absolutely nothing. The bogus canonization went ahead as planned, and Francis thereby definitively ruled out any possibility that he might be a lawful and valid successor of St. Peter. In short: His goose is long cooked, over-cooked at this point.

So, we would like to remind all Novus Ordos, and esp. the Rev. Byers, that Francis has long crossed the line that is impossible for a true Pope to cross. Let’s stop moving it further out; let’s stop pretending that he hasn’t long done what is impossible for a Pope to do.

The game is over. So let’s stop continually changing the rules to keep this farce of a game alive.
"I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2015, 08:11:09 AM »
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  • If Bergoglio were to issue a papal bull and read it from the balcony at Saint Peter's Basilica announcing that there was but one God and Muhammad is his prophet and encourage the use of prayer rugs, these people would say that if Pope Francis doesn't stop being ambiguous he's going to do real damage.

    CathInfo's very own Stubborn, and others, would tell us that it isn't an infallible declaration but it really wouldn't matter anyway.  Poche would tell us how wonderful it is that he's drawing the Muslims to the Church.  Still others would declare that he'd better not try to cross some other line or God will prevent him from actually crossing the line into heresy or apostasy.

    Of course, everyone says that this just couldn't happen, just like they said the [Conciliar] church could never condone divorce and remarriage, homosexuality, or make environmentalism and global warming doctrines.  (And, of course, Ladislaus will tell us that if we look at the exact wording of the various documents and statements that have done all this, we can parse the language in such a way that none of these things really happened even though the entire Conciliar establishment talks and acts as if they did.  "For the letter killeth, but the spirit quickeneth."--2 Cor. 3:6.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 18, 2015, 08:36:19 AM »
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  • When I witness the line which a valid Pope cannot cross ever moving to the left, so far left that it has circled around itself several times now, I think of how people make up theology to fit the ever evolving circumstances and recall how as a child that when one made up the rules as they go along one can never lose.  That makes a winner out of Mr. Bergolio and those who insist, come Hell or high water, that he is a valid Pope, the unifying head by definition, of the Roman Catholic Church.  Many truths will not be learned or finally accepted until after death.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Novus Ordo Priest warns Francis the Holy Ghost will Strike him Dead or
    « Reply #3 on: November 18, 2015, 08:46:59 AM »
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    Still others would declare that he'd better not try to cross some other line or God will prevent him from actually crossing the line into heresy or apostasy.


    LOL.  Reminds me of Obama's "red line", which he kept changing.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 18, 2015, 08:50:00 AM »
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    When I witness the line which a valid Pope cannot cross ever moving to the left, so far left that it has circled around itself several times now, I think of how people make up theology to fit the ever evolving circumstances and recall how as a child that when one made up the rules as they go along one can never lose.  That makes a winner out of Mr. Bergolio and those who insist, come Hell or high water, that he is a valid Pope, the unifying head by definition, of the Roman Catholic Church.  Many truths will not be learned or finally accepted until after death.


    I believe he is the pope, clown nose and all, until proven otherwise, sadly tho, it's only possible for a future pope to prove by papal decree of some sort which addresses the issue.

    2 questions:

    So let me know now - what is my punishment from Our Lord for believing he is the pope?

    Also, what would be your punishment if you are wrong, and even after being shown umpteen times you were wrong, continued to do your part to promote your error against Christ's Vicar on earth?

     
    For a small gain they travel far; for eternal life many will scarcely lift a foot from the ground. - Thomas A Kempis


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    So let me know now - what is my punishment from Our Lord for believing he is the pope?


    You have Francis for your pope and you are looking for punishments?  I'm guessing it will be time served.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 18, 2015, 12:11:59 PM »
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    So let me know now - what is my punishment from Our Lord for believing he is the pope?


    You have Francis for your pope and you are looking for punishments?  I'm guessing it will be time served.


    He said "from Our Lord."  He didn't say "from Francis."

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  • This is a good reminder that it is indeed the Holy Ghost and not us Who is in true command of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. No need to obsess over this man. The Holy Ghost can take care of him. In the mean time, we have this day:

    1. To serve God by keeping His commandments.

    2. To imitate Jesus Christ by practicing the Christian virtues.

    3. To honor and invoke the angels and saints.

    4. To save a soul.

    5. To avoid Hell.

    6. To gain Heaven.

    7. To slight transitory things.

    8. To expiate sins.

    9. To subdue evil inclinations.

    10. To perform good works.

    11. To edify your neighbor.

    12. Perhaps, to die and to stand before the judgment - seat of Jesus Christ.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 18, 2015, 01:22:22 PM »
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    So let me know now - what is my punishment from Our Lord for believing he is the pope?


    You have Francis for your pope and you are looking for punishments?  I'm guessing it will be time served.


    It depends on his culpability.  Does he believe this stubbornly and blindly to stay in his comfort zone or because the more he studies the topic the more clear to him Francis/Mr. Bergolio is Pope.  Perhaps because he is much like Pope Saint Pius V and Pope Saint Pius X and Pope Saint jp2, virtual clones in sanctity and in regards to the benefits in emulating their actions and believing their teachings.

    But if Francis is Pope his punishment shall be 'nil as probably no one goes to Hell, and besides who is Francis to judge anyway.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    So let me know now - what is my punishment from Our Lord for believing he is the pope?


    You have Francis for your pope and you are looking for punishments?  I'm guessing it will be time served.


    It depends on his culpability.  Does he believe this stubbornly and blindly to stay in his comfort zone or because the more he studies the topic the more clear to him Francis/Mr. Bergolio is Pope.  Perhaps because he is much like Pope Saint Pius V and Pope Saint Pius X and Pope Saint jp2, virtual clones in sanctity and in regards to the benefits in emulating their actions and believing their teachings.

    But if Francis is Pope his punishment shall be 'nil as probably no one goes to Hell, and besides who is Francis to judge anyway.  


    And your punishment?
    For a small gain they travel far; for eternal life many will scarcely lift a foot from the ground. - Thomas A Kempis

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    So let me know now - what is my punishment from Our Lord for believing he is the pope?


    You have Francis for your pope and you are looking for punishments?  I'm guessing it will be time served.


    He said "from Our Lord."  He didn't say "from Francis."


    I thought he was making a funny...as in the Lord is already punishing him with Francis.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17


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    So let me know now - what is my punishment from Our Lord for believing he is the pope?


    You have Francis for your pope and you are looking for punishments?  I'm guessing it will be time served.


    He said "from Our Lord."  He didn't say "from Francis."


    I thought he was making a funny...as in the Lord is already punishing him with Francis.


    Ah.  Slow today.    :facepalm:

    Thank you.

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    This is a good reminder that it is indeed the Holy Ghost and not us Who is in true command of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. No need to obsess over this man. The Holy Ghost can take care of him. In the mean time, we have this day:

    1. To serve God by keeping His commandments.

    2. To imitate Jesus Christ by practicing the Christian virtues.

    3. To honor and invoke the angels and saints.

    4. To save a soul.

    5. To avoid Hell.

    6. To gain Heaven.

    7. To slight transitory things.

    8. To expiate sins.

    9. To subdue evil inclinations.

    10. To perform good works.

    11. To edify your neighbor.

    12. Perhaps, to die and to stand before the judgment - seat of Jesus Christ.
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    So let me know now - what is my punishment from Our Lord for believing he is the pope?


    You have Francis for your pope and you are looking for punishments?  I'm guessing it will be time served.


    He said "from Our Lord."  He didn't say "from Francis."


    I thought he was making a funny...as in the Lord is already punishing him with Francis.


    The questions I asked were serious and came after reading TKGS' post.

    They are questions everyone of us need to ask ourselves if we are going to presume to deal with "the pope problem" as Fr. Cekada puts it.

    LoT gave a half serious reply, but did say that my punishment would depend on my culpability. Which is to say I am sinning but to some degree I'm ignorant about the matter, I of course disagree. I remain a non-SV for my own soul's safety sake. If I am wrong, I am erring on the side of caution.

    The truth is that if I am wrong and he really is not the pope, I will not be punished at all, nor will I even be judged on it. His validity or invalidity will never be mentioned nor will it enter into my eternal judgement.

    OTOH, if he really is the pope and all the SVs are wrong as they repeatedly, or even only a few times, disrespect His Vicar on earth via 1000s of posts promoting this error - or worse - if they wrong in omitting his name from the canon, then what?  

    So what if SVs are wrong? It is a very serious question I find hard to believe has not gotten a serious answer up till now. If I were SV, I would give my answer, but I'm not so I look to SVs to see what their thoughts are in this matter.

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    So let me know now - what is my punishment from Our Lord for believing he is the pope?


    You have Francis for your pope and you are looking for punishments?  I'm guessing it will be time served.


    He said "from Our Lord."  He didn't say "from Francis."


    I thought he was making a funny...as in the Lord is already punishing him with Francis.


    The questions I asked were serious and came after reading TKGS' post.

    They are questions everyone of us need to ask ourselves if we are going to presume to deal with "the pope problem" as Fr. Cekada puts it.

    LoT gave a half serious reply, but did say that my punishment would depend on my culpability. Which is to say I am sinning but to some degree I'm ignorant about the matter, I of course disagree. I remain a non-SV for my own soul's safety sake. If I am wrong, I am erring on the side of caution.

    The truth is that if I am wrong and he really is not the pope, I will not be punished at all, nor will I even be judged on it. His validity or invalidity will never be mentioned nor will it enter into my eternal judgement.

    OTOH, if he really is the pope and all the SVs are wrong as they repeatedly, or even only a few times, disrespect His Vicar on earth via 1000s of posts promoting this error - or worse - if they wrong in omitting his name from the canon, then what?  

    So what if SVs are wrong? It is a very serious question I find hard to believe has not gotten a serious answer up till now. If I were SV, I would give my answer, but I'm not so I look to SVs to see what their thoughts are in this matter.



    I think that this has been discussed here many times before.  I don't think God will punish any of us because we are all just trying make our way through the Crisis.  During the Western Schism many saints made the mistake of believing a true pope was an anti-pope.  And this crisis is much worse than that one.  Besides, according to you, the pope issue doesn't matter, so why do you care?
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

     

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