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Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
« on: May 09, 2013, 10:55:42 PM »
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  • Unbelievable.

    As if 6 Holy Days throughout the year was "too much". Do they realize we used to have DOZENS of Holy Days when people would take off work, go to Mass, and party like modern men can only imagine?

    Ironically, now that they've done away with all real Holy Days, the secular world has filled the void with countless secular "holidays", which I need not list here. Nature abhors a vacuum.

    It's literally dissolve et coagula -- break down, and build back up again.

    I guess it makes us stand out from our Protestant "brethren" too much, when we tell them we have to go to Mass on Thursday?

    I realize the Conciliar Church just "moved" Ascension Thursday to the following (or preceding?) Sunday, but that's still bogus. When you're at Mass on Sunday, with few exceptions, it's just Sunday Mass. It could be the Mass of the 22nd Sunday after Pentecost, the Mass of the 10th Sunday in Ordinary Time (2nd Cycle), the Mass of St. Patrick, or the Mass of the Ascension. It's just a different place in your missal, that's all. You're already there as part of your Sunday Morning routine.

    Now when a feast is REALLY important it's worth ripping you out of your work-week to attend Mass.

    What better way to say that a feast matters? or that the Mass itself matters?

    Oh, but it's just a question of language, right? We prefer Latin, and they prefer the Mass in English.

     :rolleyes:
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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #1 on: May 09, 2013, 11:04:45 PM »
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  • Well, technically Sunday isn't even a holy day of obligation in the NO, what with its Golf Mass available on Saturday evening. But it's the same religion, right? Right?!
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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #2 on: May 09, 2013, 11:07:53 PM »
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  • Wife and I were talking about this on the way to mass tonight.  I pointed out that moving the Ascension to Sunday is a manifestation of modernism, since there is magnificent significance of Ascension Thursday-- Forty days after the Resurrection, an historical reality-- one that is denied by not celebrating the feast when it happened.  She said that the NO recognizes the spiritual significance of Ascension Thursday by keeping it on the calendar, but also recognizes the modern significance of people not giving two shakes and not wanting to be hassled into going to church more than they have to.  

    Sounds about right to me.
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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #3 on: May 10, 2013, 12:13:01 AM »
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  • There generally is no Mass on week-day Holy Days at my chapel, the exception being Christmas.  I've been told this has not always been so, that 10+ years ago, there were more priests serving as "helpers.". These have all died.  Those who can't get to the priory or larger chapel at 9:00 am or 7:00pm are out of luck.
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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #4 on: May 10, 2013, 12:57:16 AM »
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  • Apparently, there are some places which did not move the Holy Day:
    Boston, Hartford, New York, Newark, Philadelphia, or Omaha
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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #5 on: May 10, 2013, 01:06:11 AM »
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  • Omaha?

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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #6 on: May 10, 2013, 07:07:08 AM »
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  • I was wondering about that - - on my way to Mass last night, I didn't see even one NO Church with cars in the parking lot.

    Oh those crazy concilliarists!
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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #7 on: May 10, 2013, 08:39:38 AM »
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  • In addition to moving Ascension Thursday to the following Sunday, the Novus Ordo in the United States simply cancels the obligation for any Holy Day (other than Christmas and the Immaculate Conception) if it falls on a Saturday or Monday because it's just too confusing to know when to go to church.


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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #8 on: May 10, 2013, 09:25:02 AM »
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  • Most people even in the SSPX do not know what Ascension Thursday is about. It is not a sad day when Our Lord left the apostles. It is not a day of a visible miracle when He ascended to heaven.

    Ascension Thursday is the day that the inhabitants of Limbo of the Patriarchs from Adam and Eve all the way to the Good thief were waiting for, for 5000+ years. It was the day that the Gates of Heaven were opened by Christ himself, and they could all finally enter to Heaven.

    That is why Ascension Thursday is a feast day.

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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #9 on: May 10, 2013, 09:31:13 AM »
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  • Attention Novus Ordo and Indult Mass shoppers:

    Ascension Thursday mass will be on Sunday, or Saturday at 5:30 pm, but not on Thursday

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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #10 on: May 10, 2013, 11:55:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: Frances
    There generally is no Mass on week-day Holy Days at my chapel, the exception being Christmas.  I've been told this has not always been so, that 10+ years ago, there were more priests serving as "helpers.". These have all died.  Those who can't get to the priory or larger chapel at 9:00 am or 7:00pm are out of luck.

    My Chapel is the same way as yours. We get Mass on Christmas, but not on other Holy Days.
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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #11 on: May 10, 2013, 05:38:15 PM »
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    In addition to moving Ascension Thursday to the following Sunday, the Novus Ordo in the United States simply cancels the obligation for any Holy Day (other than Christmas and the Immaculate Conception) if it falls on a Saturday or Monday because it's just too confusing to know when to go to church.


    Yes, and this creates a sticky wicket for the Ecclesia Dei groups that are under the diocesan bishop. They can hardly require their people to attend Mass on Holy Days, when the diocese says it's optional.

    I think it's not so much that the laity don't want to go to Mass two days in a row, but rather that the priests don't want to be bothered with offering additional Masses two days in a row and preparing two sermons.
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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #12 on: May 10, 2013, 05:54:17 PM »
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    In addition to moving Ascension Thursday to the following Sunday, the Novus Ordo in the United States simply cancels the obligation for any Holy Day (other than Christmas and the Immaculate Conception) if it falls on a Saturday or Monday because it's just too confusing to know when to go to church.


    Yes, and this creates a sticky wicket for the Ecclesia Dei groups that are under the diocesan bishop. They can hardly require their people to attend Mass on Holy Days, when the diocese says it's optional.

    I think it's not so much that the laity don't want to go to Mass two days in a row, but rather that the priests don't want to be bothered with offering additional Masses two days in a row and preparing two sermons.


    I'd guess a good percentage of them don't want to be bothered with performing any real priestly functions at all. Peace, love, and other BS.
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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #13 on: May 11, 2013, 02:52:52 AM »
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    Unbelievable.

    As if 6 Holy Days throughout the year was "too much". Do they realize we used to have DOZENS of Holy Days when people would take off work, go to Mass, and party like modern men can only imagine?

    Ironically, now that they've done away with all real Holy Days, the secular world has filled the void with countless secular "holidays", which I need not list here. Nature abhors a vacuum.

    It's literally dissolve et coagula -- break down, and build back up again.




    Break down Thursday and build up ....... Mother's Day!!

    "But Sunday is Mother's Day -- how are you going to have Ascension Thursday
    on Sunday when Sunday is Mother's Day??"

    "Oh, we're going to have Mother's Day music AND Ascension Day music!"

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    I guess it makes us stand out from our Protestant "brethren" too much, when we tell them we have to go to Mass on Thursday?

    I realize the Conciliar Church just "moved" Ascension Thursday to the following (or preceding?) Sunday, but that's still bogus. When you're at Mass on Sunday, with few exceptions, it's just Sunday Mass. It could be the Mass of the 22nd Sunday after Pentecost, the Mass of the 10th Sunday in Ordinary Time (2nd Cycle), the Mass of St. Patrick, or the Mass of the Ascension [Or, Mother's Day].  It's just a different place in your missal, that's all. You're already there as part of your Sunday Morning routine.



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    missalettes.

    They're disposable.  That way, they can come out with a whole new version
    every month or two.  You never know what's coming.  And just think - you
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    Now when a feast is REALLY important it's worth ripping you out of your work-week to attend Mass.

    What better way to say that a feast matters? or that the Mass itself matters?

    Oh, but it's just a question of language, right? We prefer Latin, and they prefer the Mass in English.

     :rolleyes:




    The 'language' question is the language of the Faith.  
    Do you hear the Master's voice in this Newmass?  Or the Newcalendar?






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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #14 on: May 11, 2013, 09:30:59 AM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    Apparently, there are some places which did not move the Holy Day:
    Boston, Hartford, New York, Newark, Philadelphia, or Omaha


    The Latin rite chuchres celebrated it on Thursday where I live.
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