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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Malleus on November 18, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
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What do people here think about this? Just like in the Protestant sects, I have noticed that the lay people in the NO make up their own songs now, and sometimes even use them in the New Mess. I don't really know much about music in general, but what I perceive is that these songs usually have this "pop music" or Protestant air to them. I don't know if it's because they're meant to be sung with guitars and other profane instruments, but they just put me off and make me think of Protestantism.
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They couldn't do very much worse than some of the "professionally" written heretical pop songs they've been using for decades now ("Gather Us In" "Sing a New Church" etc).
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Interesting that you "noticed" it.
All songs have to be "made up" at some point. There was a time that no choir in the Church ever sang Faith of our Fathers or even "The Mass of the Angels". The songs and the music had not yet been composed.
But I agree with BTNYC that there is no point in condemning some of the faithful for composing new songs when the "professional" songs they have available to them are so putrid. In any event, someone with some sort of authority in the parish and/or diocese had to approve the use of these songs. So, if you object to them, who are you really objecting to?
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Yep, they could hardly do worse than Carey Landry. "Giant Love Ball"
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Certainly individual songs can be criticized for their content, but I do not think they can be criticized merely for being new or because they were written by lay individuals. All songs were new at some point, and some hymns that are now considered holy and traditional were written by laymen, for example, Adeste Fideles.
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Having composed a couple of "lay songs" myself in the days of my NO blindness, I can't say that such a composition would be intrinsically wrong. However, the mixture of silly melody and dangerous lyrics usually ends in nothing good.
I do wonder why the OP calls a guitar a profane instrument. O Holy Night! was composed on a guitar.
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Years ago someone made a Marty Haugen Song Lyric Generator. That thing was hilarious. I wonder if it is still out there.
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I like "Gloria a te Cristo Gesu" by Father Lecot sung by Andrea Bocelli
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There was a time when Pange Lingua was new. I like to tell the young people that St Thomas Aquinus could out rap the "best" of the rappers of today
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There was a time when Pange Lingua was new. I like to tell the young people that St Thomas Aquinus could out rap the "best" of the rappers of today
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SSPX laity wrote a song about Pope Pius X. I would like to hear it.
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Marty Haugen isn't even Catholic, which would explain the heretical songs he writes for the Novus Ordo. He's Lutheran, IIRC.
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There was a time when Pange Lingua was new. I like to tell the young people that St Thomas Aquinus could out rap the "best" of the rappers of today
There are times when I wonder if poche is actually Catholic. Too much sucking up to the V2 modernists have contaminated his own mind.
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There was a time when Pange Lingua was new. I like to tell the young people that St Thomas Aquinus could out rap the "best" of the rappers of today
There are times when I wonder if poche is actually Catholic. Too much sucking up to the V2 modernists have contaminated his own mind.
I wonder why he enjoys CI. I hope there's some deep-seated glimmer of hope for his conversion that is the reason.
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I like "Gloria a te Cristo Gesu" by Father Lecot sung by Andrea Bocelli
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Why shouldn't they compose their own songs? Their "liturgical committees" fabricate their NOMs.
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There was a time when Pange Lingua was new. I like to tell the young people that St Thomas Aquinus could out rap the "best" of the rappers of today
There are times when I wonder if poche is actually Catholic. Too much sucking up to the V2 modernists have contaminated his own mind.
How does praising St Thomas Aquinus in a way that the younger generation can understand constitute modernism? The idea is to have the younger generation who are fed on rap and regaeton take a look at what is really important, the holiness and the greatness of the saints. To take a look at the wisdom that comes from the pen of St Thomas Aquinus.
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… "O Holy Night!" was composed on a guitar.
This is by no means the first time I have heard or read this claim, but unfortunately it has no basis in fact. The text of this song is an English translation dating from the 1850s of a French original from a dozen or so years earlier. The composer of the song, titled simply "Cantique de Noël," was Adolphe Adam (better known to music and ballet lovers as the composer of Giselle). The words, written by a now largely forgotten poet (forgotten even by the French) called Placide Cappeau, are as follows.
Minuit, Chrétiens, c'est l'heure solennelle,
Où l'Homme Dieu descendit jusqu'à nous
Pour effacer la tache originelle
Et de Son Père arrêter le courroux.
Le monde entier tressaille d'espérance
En cette nuit qui lui donne un Sauveur.
Peuple à genoux, attends ta délivrance.
Noël, Noël, voici le Rédempteur,
Noël, Noël, voici le Rédempteur!
De notre foi que la lumière ardente
Nous guide tous au berceau de l'Enfant,
Comme autrefois une étoile brillante
Y conduisit les chefs de l'Orient.
Le Roi des rois naît dans une humble crèche:
Puissants du jour, fiers de votre grandeur,
A votre orgueil, c'est de là que Dieu prêche.
Courbez vos fronts devant le Rédempteur.
Courbez vos fronts devant le Rédempteur.
Le Rédempteur a brisé toute entrave:
La terre est libre, et le ciel est ouvert.
Il voit un frère où n'était qu'un esclave,
L'amour unit ceux qu'enchaînait le fer.
Qui lui dira notre reconnaissance,
C'est pour nous tous qu'il naît, qu'il souffre et meurt.
Peuple debout! Chante ta délivrance,
Noël, Noël, chantons le Rédempteur,
Noël, Noël, chantons le Rédempteur!
In neither French nor English has this ever been a congregational hymn, since the song was composed for a professionally trained voice—indeed, a voice with a very secure upper extension. Yet since the congregational singing at NO services is typically and predictably atrocious, adding this song to the repertory might easily drive music lovers, screaming, away from Bugninidom and into the arms of Tradition.
The Lord does work in strange ways, after all.
There are times when I wonder if poche is actually Catholic. Too much sucking up to the V2 modernists has contaminated his own mind.
Mind? What mind? I thought everyone knew that Poche is an automated commenting bot developed by a technonerd at the Democratic National Committee.
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There was a time when Pange Lingua was new. I like to tell the young people that St Thomas Aquinus could out rap the "best" of the rappers of today
There are times when I wonder if poche is actually Catholic. Too much sucking up to the V2 modernists have contaminated his own mind.
How does praising St Thomas Aquinus in a way that the younger generation can understand constitute modernism? The idea is to have the younger generation who are fed on rap and regaeton take a look at what is really important, the holiness and the greatness of the saints. To take a look at the wisdom that comes from the pen of St Thomas Aquinus.
You can talk about the Angelic Doctor without mindlessly equating him to modern music.