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« on: December 11, 2010, 09:46:11 AM »
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  • Jury grants big $30M award in Del. priest abuse
    Ben Nuckols (AP, December 1, 2010)

    Baltimore, USA - A Delaware jury has awarded $30 million in damages to a man who claimed he was abused by a priest - a verdict that was exceptional for both the dollar value and for finding the local parish liable, not just the diocese.

    The lawsuit by John Vai claimed that he was abused repeatedly as a boy in the 1960s by Francis DeLuca when the former priest was a teacher at St. Elizabeth's parish in Wilmington, Del.

    Advocates for victims of clergy abuse said the value of the compensatory damages was the largest ever awarded in such a lawsuit in the United States and that a parish had never before been found liable for abuse.

    "It is far and away the largest single verdict in any clergy sex abuse case for compensatory damages," said Jeff Anderson, a St. Paul, Minn., attorney who has represented more than 2,000 alleged victims. "This would be a new and unprecedented outcome that I have no doubt is much needed and well-deserved and hard-fought."

    In a statement, Vai thanked the jury and expressed gratitude that Delaware's legal system "can render justice to all survivors of childhood sɛҳuąƖ abuse."

    "Stunning testimony is coming out which exposes to the light of day the rampant sɛҳuąƖ abuse of innocent children," Vai said. "The cover-up continues and to this very day these churches refuse to accept responsibility for their actions."

    Bishop Francis Malooly of the Catholic Diocese of Wilmington issued a statement apologizing to Vai for the abuse by DeLuca but said he was disappointed that the jury found St. Elizabeth's liable.

    "It is unfortunate that the parish community of St. Elizabeth's is being made to pay for the criminal and sinful acts of someone who was assigned by the diocesan bishop at the time to be one of their priests," Malooly said.

    A judge ruled Nov. 15 that DeLuca was liable for the abuse but left the jury to decide the amount of damages. DeLuca was defrocked in 2008 after being convicted of repeatedly molesting his 18-year-old grandnephew in New York. The jury is expected to begin deliberating on punitive damages on Monday, so the amount of the total award could go up.

    The Wilmington diocese is facing more than 100 priest abuse lawsuits and filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection last year. A bankruptcy judge allowed Vai's lawsuit to go forward with DeLuca and the parish as defendants, and DeLuca faces several more lawsuits, as do other parishes and former priests in the diocese.

    Vai's attorney, Thomas Neuberger, said he did not expect to be able to collect damages from DeLuca but said the parish has ample assets to be able to pay the award. Attorneys for the parish did not immediately return messages seeking comment.

    David Clohessy, executive director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, said the verdict was a milestone because a jury found that culpability for abuse extended beyond a priest or his bishop.

    "This jury's saying no, it doesn't matter if your title is bishop or pastor. If you knowingly put kids and keep kids in harm's way, there's a steep price to be paid," Clohessy said.

    The Associated Press typically does not name alleged victims of sɛҳuąƖ abuse, but Vai has spoken publicly about the allegations and testified at trial.
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    « Reply #1 on: December 11, 2010, 09:48:22 AM »
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  • Record award -- and they haven't even gotten to the PUNITIVE damages yet.

    Oh, and this is just ONE of many lawsuits against this priest!

    An unprecedented level of money was awarded -- $30 million -- and the PARISH was found liable for the first time ever! This is a new development.

    Imagine if this started happening all across the country.

    We might not be arguing about the Novus Ordo church for long -- it might shrink in size, decline, and disappear in some parts of the country!

    Heck, it might be declared a pedophile organization by the secular authorities and be shut down.

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    « Reply #2 on: December 11, 2010, 12:08:24 PM »
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  • Another good reason not to attend or give money to diocesan parishes. Your money goes to pay off these lawsuits.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 11, 2010, 02:05:30 PM »
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  • Instead of constantly selling off old beautiful churches for little or nothing, I wonder if they can sell off some of their million dollar modern monstrosities they have built like the Cathedral in Oakland. It seems concern for the "poor" goes out the window when the liberals build their multi-million dollar temples to Ba'al. The "waste of money" charge only arises when beauty is involved.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 11, 2010, 03:18:34 PM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    Another good reason not to attend or give money to diocesan parishes. Your money goes to pay off these lawsuits.


    Well, maybe they were sodomizing the boys in 'good faith' -- or can you read hearts, even across time?
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #5 on: December 11, 2010, 06:22:27 PM »
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    Quote from: stevusmagnus
    Another good reason not to attend or give money to diocesan parishes. Your money goes to pay off these lawsuits.


    Well, maybe they were sodomizing the boys in 'good faith' -- or can you read hearts, even across time?


    Your point?

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    « Reply #6 on: December 11, 2010, 06:57:37 PM »
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  • The best way for the Catholic Church to be restored would be the disintegration of the Novus Ordo sect. This would cause good-willed Catholics to seek out the real Church and return to Her traditions, and it would avoid confusion among non-Catholics as to what the Church really teaches and practices. As long as the counterfeit church exists, it will be hard for many to identify the real one. Eliminate the impostor, and only the True Church will remain.
    St. Jude, who, disregarding the threats of the impious, courageously preached the doctrine of Christ,
    pray for us.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 11, 2010, 07:29:37 PM »
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    Your point?


    That your tendency to bend over backwards is engaged in a selective manner...

    Here it is nowhere in sight; in the other thread, it goes beyond reason...

    My take... :)
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #8 on: December 11, 2010, 08:02:32 PM »
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  • Wikileaks: Pope Refused to Cooperate in Sex Abuse
    Investigation

    From MSNBC.COM

    No action on Sex Abuse Cases by the Pope, and Vatican
    Officials just adds to further decline of the Church, and
    causes millions to walk away, and lose the faith.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40616870/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security

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    « Reply #9 on: December 11, 2010, 08:17:39 PM »
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  • And the truth comes out.. not that we all didn't know already. What a feeling.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 11, 2010, 08:18:47 PM »
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    Wikileaks: Pope Refused to Cooperate in Sex Abuse
    Investigation

    From MSNBC.COM

    No action on Sex Abuse Cases by the Pope, and Vatican
    Officials just adds to further decline of the Church, and
    causes millions to walk away, and lose the faith.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40616870/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security


    The U.S. ambassador to the Holy See also condemned the leaks and said the Vatican and America cooperate in promoting universal values.

    They cooperate in promoting the Universal Values of The nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.

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    « Reply #11 on: December 11, 2010, 08:31:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Roman Catholic
    Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    Wikileaks: Pope Refused to Cooperate in Sex Abuse
    Investigation

    From MSNBC.COM

    No action on Sex Abuse Cases by the Pope, and Vatican
    Officials just adds to further decline of the Church, and
    causes millions to walk away, and lose the faith.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40616870/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security


    The U.S. ambassador to the Holy See also condemned the



    leaks and said the Vatican and America cooperate in promoting



    universal values.


    They cooperate in promoting the Universal Values of The nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.

    .
     



    You got that RIGHT.  What in the heck is Universal
    Values.  It is certainly not Christian Values.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 11, 2010, 08:49:41 PM »
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  • People give themselves away by the language they use.
    Never heard of 'universal Values' in a Christian since.
    The 'universal values' forced on use by the constant
    propaganda of the mass media. We know that they are
    the enemies of any values Christian.

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    « Reply #13 on: December 11, 2010, 09:05:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    What in the heck is Universal
    Values.


    The "values" of the Universal Brotherhood :)

    After 50 years, can we NOT see and speak PLAINLY about that which is patently obvious????
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #14 on: December 12, 2010, 08:26:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    Another good reason not to attend or give money to diocesan parishes. Your money goes to pay off these lawsuits.


    Agreed.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.