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« on: December 02, 2010, 09:09:47 AM »
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  • Catholic Church Urges Support for Dangerous FrankenpHood Crops
    December 2nd, 2010

    Seeds of Deception: Exposing Industry and Government Lies About the Safety of the Genetically Engineered Foods You’re Eating by Jeffrey M. Smith

    Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation by William F. Engdahl

    Via: New Scientist:

    Scientists have both the right and a moral duty to be “stewards of God” by genetically modifying crops to help the world’s poor, scientific advisers to the Vatican said this week.

    In a statement condemning opposition to GM crops in rich countries as unjustified, a group of scientists including leading members of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences is demanding a relaxation of “excessive, unscientific regulations” for approving GM crops, saying that these prevent development of crops for the “public good”.

    The statement was agreed unanimously by 40 international scientists after a week-long closed meeting held in May 2009 at the Vatican, convened by Ingo Potrykus. Potrykus is a member of the Pontifical Academy based at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, where he developed “golden rice”, a variety engineered with extra vitamin A to prevent childhood blindness.

    Although the academy has yet to officially endorse the statement, it was approved by the seven members at the meeting, including academy chancellor Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo. “The Catholic Church has 1 billion members,” says academy member Peter Raven, president of the Missouri Botanical Garden in St Louis, which once received funds from Monsanto. He adds that although this global community will never have a unified official line on GM crops, “our statement is about as close as you can get to one”.
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    « Reply #1 on: December 02, 2010, 09:13:53 AM »
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  • I hear people sounding the alarm on "GM" food, especially by the Alex Jones crowd.  My question is how do they know it is bad for consumption?  What evidence do they possess?  There are studies out there on this?  


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    « Reply #2 on: December 02, 2010, 09:37:45 AM »
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  • We're looking at absolute, and total evil, folks. What God made wasn't good enough, so, we have to add bacteria and pesticide to food or we're "unscientific." How horrible! HORRIBLE!  :devil2:
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 02, 2010, 09:41:27 AM »
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  • explains why Vatican/Pope have refused to promte Distributism and clean, natural diets-unlike pre-V2 leaders like ABL....
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    « Reply #4 on: December 02, 2010, 09:42:50 AM »
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  • Quote from: Caminus
    I hear people sounding the alarm on "GM" food, especially by the Alex Jones crowd.  My question is how do they know it is bad for consumption?  What evidence do they possess?  There are studies out there on this?  


    plenty of answer to your questions at naturalnews site.........
    not always agree 100% with writers there, but mainly....
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    « Reply #5 on: December 02, 2010, 09:44:48 AM »
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  • as Chesterton staetd, alleviate poverty not by killing poor people, but by destroying poverty....GMO foods not going to help, but hurt, the poor and starving....there are other ways, but condoms with fαɢs is apparently given more thought these days....
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    « Reply #6 on: December 02, 2010, 10:28:37 AM »
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  • The problem with food, is not the AMOUNT of food, it's the DISTRIBUTION OF THE FOOD. When you have an ak-47 pointed in your face and you're trying to plant food, and tanks come rolling over your property, it's kinda hard to plant your food.

    You know why the so called "evidence" that GMOs are bad isn't out there? BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE ROBERT TAYLOR approved their own work for the FDA with their revolving door policy. Monsanto does studies... gets the guy that did the studies in there, guy approves his own work, goes back to being lawyer for Monsanto, and now is food czar of the country thanks to Obama.

    You think there is integrity in food when the company that was the brainchild of Agent Orange, Dioxins, and PCBs are the ones that control 90% of the seed in the entire world now?

    There is evidence that they contain less nutrients. Some corn is actually classified as a pesticide because of the noxious amount of pesticide contained within the seed. It's suspected of many other health problems, such as allergies, and cancer. We know that their rBGH hormone has IGF 1 in it (incidentally, they put e-coli bacteria back into the cow to make it produce more milk  :barf:) which is connected to diabetes. Girls are maturing physically at a younger age thanks to hormones and chemicals, and Monsanto is one example of profit before health.

    If you don't know about this subject and have to ask if there's any proof that GMOs are bad, you really should look into it yourself. There is so much good information out there.

    The priest at my church is a farmer himself. He warned the congregation about "terminator seeds." Basically, they're STERILE. God did not make seeds to be sterile and have whole fields not reproduce. Isn't the point of farming for making more food through the generations?

    GMO seed, Monsanto's seed, the farmer has to sign a contract that they can't use seed from the previous year (so Monsanto doesn't lose out on profit.) So, they can't save their seed. How is that bring MORE food throughout the world? It's NOT! It's just making a farmer an indentured servant to MONSANTO, not making a farmer free to use the seed that God gave him to plant.

    Start looking stuff up.

    Oh, and here's a study on Organic/vs GMO tomatoes. It's the only such study (because Monsanto won't do them) over a 10 year period.

    http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/jf070344%2B

    Also, it is not just the "Alex Jones" crew talking about this. I recall "Michael Weiner" AKA "Michael Savage" talking about this quite frequently, seeing that he's an epidemiologist and nutritionist. This is not some "conspiracy theory."
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 02, 2010, 10:38:43 AM »
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  • Monsanto is the damn devil. I hate that evil corporation.

    Hating Monsanto and everything they stand for seems as proper as the generic command to all Christians to "hate evil". I can't think of anything they've done that could be considered good.

    (I know a corporation is a legal person, but I don't believe I'm obligated to charity toward a "legal person" without a soul.)

    Seriously -- if I found out that satanists founded the company, I wouldn't be surprised in the least.

    There is no one on earth with a poorer outlook for salvation as those who work for this demonic corporation.

    You'd have to look far and wide to find a greater concentration of evil on the earth today.

    Who causes more pain and suffering than Monsanto?

    I don't believe any Catholic can work there and save his/her soul. I suppose there could be some janitors unaware of the evil nature of their employer -- but that's about it.

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    « Reply #8 on: December 02, 2010, 10:41:49 AM »
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  • Maybe they can work on a genetically engineered humanity upon which VCII will be successful. If the ideology doesn't fit reality, maybe they can change reality to fit the ideology?

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    « Reply #9 on: December 02, 2010, 10:44:18 AM »
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  • Here's a video for you about the rBGH hormone. Be prepared to run to the lavatory.



    Also, check out this website. They've done a lot of research on GMOs.

    http://responsibletechnology.org/
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    « Reply #10 on: December 02, 2010, 12:08:43 PM »
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  • I have a question about genetically modified food. If a priest uses wine or bread made with genetically modified grapes or wheat, will he still be able to say Mass or will the genetic modification of the wheat and grapes make it impossible for transubstantiation to occur?
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    « Reply #11 on: December 02, 2010, 12:13:18 PM »
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  • not seeing that as a big issue, with so many other ones takes precedence (altar girls, clown masses,etc taht still go on here and there)
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    « Reply #12 on: December 02, 2010, 12:14:04 PM »
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  • Genetically Modified Ingredients Overview
    Here is a summary of what crops, foods and food ingredients have been genetically modified as of July, 2007:

    Currently Commercialized GM Crops in the U.S.:
    (Number in parentheses represents the estimated percent that is genetically modified.)

    Soy (91%)
    Cotton (88%)
    Canola (80-85%)
    Corn (85%)
    Hawaiian papaya (more than 50%)
    Alfalfa, zucchini and yellow squash (small amount)
    Tobacco (Quest® brand)

    Other Sources of GMOs:

    Dairy products from cows injected with rbGH.
    Food additives, enzymes, flavorings, and processing agents, including the sweetener aspartame (NutraSweet®) and rennet used to make hard cheeses
    Meat, eggs, and dairy products from animals that have eaten GM feed
    Honey and bee pollen that may have GM sources of pollen
    Contamination or pollination caused by GM seeds or pollen
    Some of the Ingredients That May Be Genetically Modified:

    Vegetable oil, vegetable fat and margarines (made with soy, corn, cottonseed, and/or canola)

    Ingredients derived from soybeans: Soy flour, soy protein, soy isolates, soy isoflavones, soy lecithin, vegetable proteins, textured vegetable protein (TVP), tofu, tamari, tempeh, and soy protein supplements.

    Ingredients derived from corn: Corn flour, corn gluten, corn masa, corn starch, corn syrup, cornmeal, and High-Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS).

    Some Food Additives May Also Be Derived From GM Sources:

    The list may change as we encounter new information: ascorbic acid/ascorbate (Vitamin C), cellulose, citric acid, cobalamin (vitamin B12), cyclodextrin, cystein, dextrin, dextrose, diacetyl, fructose (especially crystalline fructose), glucose, glutamate, glutamic acid, gluten, glycerides (mono- and diglycerides), glycerol, glycerol, glycerine, glycine, hemicellulose, , hydrogenated starch hydrolates, hydrolyzed vegetable protein or starch, inositol, invert sugar or inverse syrup, (also may be listed as inversol or colorose), lactic acid, lactoflavin, lecithin, leucine, lysine, maltose, maltitol, maltodextrin, mannitol, methylcellulose, milo starch, modified food starch, monooleate, mono- and diglycerides, monosodium glutamate (MSG), oleic acid, phenylalanine, phytic acid, riboflavin (Vitamin B2) sorbitol, stearic acid, threonine, tocopherol (Vitamin E), trehalose, xanthan gum, and zein.

    Some of the Foods That May Contain GM Ingredients:

    Infant formula
    Salad dressing
    Bread
    Cereal
    Hamburgers and hotdogs
    Margarine
    Mayonnaise
    Crackers
    Cookies
    Chocolate
    Candy
    Fried food
    Chips
    Veggie burgers
    Meat substitutes
    Ice cream
    Frozen yogurt
    Tofu
    Tamari
    Soy sauce
    Soy cheese
    Tomato sauce
    Protein powder
    Baking powder (sometimes contains corn starch)
    Powdered/Confectioner's sugar (often contains corn starch)
    Confectioner's glaze
    Alcohol
    Vanilla
    Powdered sugar
    Peanut butter
    Enriched flour
    Vanilla extract (sometimes contains corn syrup)
    Pasta
    Malt
    White vinegar

    Non-Food Items That May Contain GM Ingredients:

    Cosmetics
    Soaps
    Detergents
    Shampoo
    Bubble bath

    Sources for "Genetically Modified Ingredients Overview:

    Natural Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS), Agricultural Statistics Board, US Department of Agriculture: Acreage. Available at: http://www.thecampaign.org/Acre-06-30-2006.pdf (2006)

    Cornell Cooperative Extension, GEO-PIE (Genetically Engineered Organisms Public Issues Education) Project. http://www.geo-pie.cornell.edu/crops/ingredients.html

    Ruth Winter , A Consumer's Dictionary of Food Additives: Descriptions in plain English of more than 12,000 ingredients both harmful and desirable found in foods, 6th ed. (New York: Three Rivers Press, 2004).

    Robert S. Igoe , The Dictionary of Food Ingredients, 2nd ed. (New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1989).

    Research Triangle Institute, "Economic Characterization of the Dietary Supplement Industry" March 1999. Available at: http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~acrobat/ds-econ.pdf

    Codex General Standard for Food Additives (GSFA) Online Database of the աօʀʟd ɦɛaʟtɦ օʀɢaռiʐatɨօռ(WHO) Food and Agriculture Organization(FAO) of the United Nations and the reports of the Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food Additives (JECFA). Available at: http://www.codexalimentarius.net/gsfaonline/additives/index.html

    The University of Maryland Medical Center database of supplements by name: http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsLookups/Supplements.html

    Archives of the Agricultural Research Service of the USDA: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/

    Reports of the European Commission Scientific Committee for Food: http://ec.europa.eu/food/fs/sc/scf/reports_en.html

    U.S. National Institute of Health (NIH) PubMed Central (PMC): http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/

    Also consulted the following industry sites:

    http://www.corn.org/web/bioprod.htm
    http://www.confectionerynews.com/news/ng.asp?n=70687-danisco-xylitol-sugar
    http://www.grainprocessing.com/food/malinfo.html
    http://www.cargillfoods.com/pdfs/sweeteners.pdf/ca198.pdf

    http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/BuyingNon-GMO/index.cfm
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    « Reply #13 on: December 02, 2010, 12:15:08 PM »
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  • US Consumers Have Been Given a False Sense of Security
    About the Safety of Our Food Supply

    You may have heard the FDA and food industry claims that genetically modified (GM) foods are safe, properly tested, and necessary to feed a hungry world. UNTRUE! Genetically modified organisms (GMOs) are one of the most dangerous and radical changes to our food supply. These largely unregulated ingredients found in 60-70% of the foods in the US, are well worth the effort to avoid them.

    Many consumers in the US mistakenly believe that the FDA approves GM foods through rigorous, in-depth, long-term studies. In reality, the agency has absolutely no safety testing requirements. Instead the agency relies on research from companies like Monsanto, research that is meticulously designed to avoid finding problems.

    It’s easy to understand the FDA’s industry-friendly policy on regulation of GMOs when you see the revolving door between agency regulators and the companies they regulate. The White House mandate to the FDA (under the first George Bush) was to promote biotechnology and the person in charge of developing the agency’s policy at that time was a former Monsanto attorney, who later returned to Monsanto as their vice president.

    The FDA has claimed it was not aware of any information showing that GM crops were different “in any meaningful or uniform way,” from non-GMO crops and therefore didn’t require testing. But 44,000 internal FDA docuмents made public by a lawsuit show that this was a complete lie. The overwhelming consensus among the FDA’s own scientists was that GM foods were quite different and could lead to unpredictable and hard-to-detect allergens, toxins, new diseases and nutritional problems. It turns out that FDA scientists, who had urged superiors to require long-term studies, were ignored. See, Failed Government Regulation.

    Even though evidence of this apparent fraud at the FDA was presented at a Washington, D.C. press conference in 1999 with major media in attendance, the media didn’t alert the public.  In fact, most Americans know so little about this subject, that only about 1 in 4 consumers even know if they’ve ever eaten a GM food in their lives, even though the vast majority of processed foods contain derivatives from the four major GM crops: soy, corn, cottonseed and canola. See, GM Foods at a Glance.

     
     
     
     
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    The problem with food, is not the AMOUNT of food, it's the DISTRIBUTION OF THE FOOD. When you have an ak-47 pointed in your face and you're trying to plant food, and tanks come rolling over your property, it's kinda hard to plant your food.

    You know why the so called "evidence" that GMOs are bad isn't out there? BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE ROBERT TAYLOR approved their own work for the FDA with their revolving door policy. Monsanto does studies... gets the guy that did the studies in there, guy approves his own work, goes back to being lawyer for Monsanto, and now is food czar of the country thanks to Obama.

    You think there is integrity in food when the company that was the brainchild of Agent Orange, Dioxins, and PCBs are the ones that control 90% of the seed in the entire world now?

    There is evidence that they contain less nutrients. Some corn is actually classified as a pesticide because of the noxious amount of pesticide contained within the seed. It's suspected of many other health problems, such as allergies, and cancer. We know that their rBGH hormone has IGF 1 in it (incidentally, they put e-coli bacteria back into the cow to make it produce more milk  :barf:) which is connected to diabetes. Girls are maturing physically at a younger age thanks to hormones and chemicals, and Monsanto is one example of profit before health.

    If you don't know about this subject and have to ask if there's any proof that GMOs are bad, you really should look into it yourself. There is so much good information out there.

    The priest at my church is a farmer himself. He warned the congregation about "terminator seeds." Basically, they're STERILE. God did not make seeds to be sterile and have whole fields not reproduce. Isn't the point of farming for making more food through the generations?

    GMO seed, Monsanto's seed, the farmer has to sign a contract that they can't use seed from the previous year (so Monsanto doesn't lose out on profit.) So, they can't save their seed. How is that bring MORE food throughout the world? It's NOT! It's just making a farmer an indentured servant to MONSANTO, not making a farmer free to use the seed that God gave him to plant.

    Start looking stuff up.

    Oh, and here's a study on Organic/vs GMO tomatoes. It's the only such study (because Monsanto won't do them) over a 10 year period.

    http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/jf070344%2B

    Also, it is not just the "Alex Jones" crew talking about this. I recall "Michael Weiner" AKA "Michael Savage" talking about this quite frequently, seeing that he's an epidemiologist and nutritionist. This is not some "conspiracy theory."


    God gave us the fruits of the earth to consume, but also use for more-that is whay the seeds are in food,etc....to propagate more food with them...why we have seed, to propagate more children for God, but to be mentally and physically able to worship, one has to have sustenance.......that does not come much from a McWhopper,etc....
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