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Offline Cantarella

Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
« on: December 19, 2018, 10:35:59 AM »
As a Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven from Bishop Barron


Ben Shapiro recently had Bishop Robert Barron on his show. You can watch the full interview here. I want to draw our attention to one very specific question posed to the Bishop.

Shapiro : “I’m a Jew. I follow the Law. Can I go to Heaven”? Part of interview is here.


https://catholicism.org/as-a-non-believing-jew-ben-shapiro-gets-a-free-pass-to-heaven-from-bishop-barron.html


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Offline Cantarella

Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2018, 10:37:58 AM »
Shapiro : “I’m a Jew. I follow the Law. Can I go to Heaven”?


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Barron: “Yes…the Catholic view…go back to the 2nd Vatican Council says it very clearly….I mean Christ is the privileged route to salvation…that is the privileged route….However, Vatican II clearly teaches that someone outside the explicitly Christian faith can be saved….it might be received according to your conscience….Now that doesn’t conduce to a complete relativism…We would still say the privileged route and the route that God has offered to humanity is the route of His Son…but no, you can be saved..uh…even Vatican II says that an Atheist of good will can be saved…..because in following his conscience…John Henry Newman said the conscience is the aboriginal Vicar of Christ in the soul…it is in fact the voice of Christ…when I follow my conscience, I’m following Him..whether I know it explicitly or not…so even the atheist of good will can be saved”.


According to Barron (and 99% of Catholics out there today, including Traditional Catholics), Jesus is the "privileged" way to Heaven. Not the ONLY way.
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2018, 10:41:06 AM »
So he says "yes" and then explains that "yes" not because Ben can convert, embrace Jesus Christ and His Church (and then of course no longer be a Jew) but "yes" because everyone basically already receives and believes Divine Revelation by virtue of Divine Immanence (not his exact wording of course, although probably a more accurate way of describing what Barron is really saying when he talks about conscience and the like).

Nice job, Novus Ordo.  Staying true to your (modernistic and Judaized) roots!  
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2018, 11:17:11 AM »
For the NO, the only ones in danger of hell fire are those schismatical, no good traditional Catholics.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2018, 11:51:12 AM »
He's absolutely tripping all over himself, and babbling nonsensically, all out of human respect for and fear of the Jew.

Does the dogma EENS have ANY meaning to these clowns?  It reduces to a meaningless formula, a mere tautology.  You cannot be saved except in the Church, but if you're saved, that means you're in the Church somehow.  Barron doesn't even give lip service to this in his shameful heretical response.  And this guy is considered to be some kind of arch-conservative in Novus Ordo circles.
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