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Offline Emerentiana

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No thinking, Please!
« on: May 08, 2012, 11:10:13 AM »
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    A TRADITIONALIST MISCELLANY — BY THE REV. ANTHONY CEKADA
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    The Leader is Always Right! Fellay, Il Duce, and the SSPX Deal

    The Leader: Always right!

    IN THE FACE of what looks more and more to be an impending deal between SSPX and the Vatican, observation of an English traditionalist on the Ignis Ardens forum speaks volumes about the mentality of the rank-and-file SSPX priest:
    In London today (May 6, 2012), the priest from the pulpit expressed very frankly how dismayed and “disappointed” he was that the position of the SSPX has been changed without any of its priests being informed. From another large English Mass centre I hear the priest there addressed the issue similarly.

    For them, the key question for resolving any controversy is not “What does CATHOLIC THEOLOGY teach?,” but “What is THE POSITION OF THE SOCIETY?”

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    NO THINKING, PLEASE, WE’RE SSPX!

    Generations of SSPX priests have been imbued with this mentality, and indeed, it was one of the main bones of contention in our own conflict with Abp. Lefebvre in 1983. On any given topic, at any given moment, SSPX priests were always supposed to adhere to and to preach the “position of the Society” — no matter how much it contradicted the principles of logic and Catholic theology, and no matter whether it directly contradicted an EARLIER “position of the Society” or Abp. Lefebvre.

    The then-Father Donald Sanborn, former SSPX U.S. seminary rector, wrote two excellent articles about this, “The Crux of the Matter” (1984) and “Mountains of Gelboë” (1994).

    His central insight: While among SSPX priests there have always been hardliners and soft-liners on the question of “Rome,” the only TRUE SSPX priest-members are those who do not THINK. They let +Lefebvre and now +Fellay do the thinking for them.

    The then-Fr. Williamson was a perfect example of this mentality. During the ’83 controversy, he supported Abp. Lefebvre’s position (then!) that the new rite of priestly ordination was VALID. But the next year Fr. Williamson wrote that if the Archbishop changed his mind one day and said the rite was INVALID, then he would then be obliged to say it was invalid as well!

    “il Duce ha sempre ragione!” Mussolini’s party members said: The leader is always right!

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    Founder: Always right too!

    THE 88 DEAL/NON-DEAL
    Another personal anecdote will illustrate the point.

    The big SSPX controversy of ’88 was whether Abp. Lefebvre would sign an accord with the Vatican to obtain recognition, or whether he would consecrate bishops and incur excommunication. Just like today, contradictory reports constantly flew back and forth, speculations by the laity abounded, and Abp. Lefebvre issued a stream of statements espousing directly contradictory positions. You never knew WHAT was going to happen.

    In October 1988, after the consecrations, Fr. Dolan and I were visiting London and invited our former Econe classmate, then the SSPX UK District Superior, to dine with us at the Goring, near Victoria Station.

    Talk turned to the consecrations. He volunteered that after a long period of gearing up people for the May 5, 1988 Lefebvre-Ratzinger accord, he didn’t know WHAT to think when Lefebvre renounced it the next day. Nor did he know WHAT to think during the next few weeks when there was much going back and forth over whether the consecrations would proceed.

    But once he received word that the consecrations would actually proceed in June, he was absolutely fine with that, too, even though he had been promoting the accord only a few weeks before. He then knew what to think!

    (Since he was a Scot, I will note that there was at least ONE matter he wanted settled in advance: Who was paying for the meal. Looking at the menu after Fr. Dolan had ordered the snails, he inquired, “Now you DID invite ME, didn’t you?”)

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    Him too!


    AND NOW?
    A raft of statements from higher SSPX functionaries like Frs. Schmidberger, Rostand, Walliez, Simoulin and Pfluger have been aimed at propagandizing the laity to accept SSPX’s full integration into the Conciliar Church.

    If the reaction on the internet forums is any indication, however, many lay SSPX followers are not buying the deal SSPX is selling. Fr. Pfluger’s comments in particular have been regarded as an insult to the laity’s intelligence.

    Some laymen who are upset over the current SSPX party line think, or perhaps even hope, that, in the event of a deal, a large percentage of the lower SSPX clergy will see it as a sell-out, and promptly bail out.

    For the foregoing reasons, I don’t see this happening. You survive in SSPX if you follow the party line wherever it may lead, and wherever it may have been the day before. Such is not the mentality of those who would lead a “new traditionalist resistance,” this time against SSPX.

    So most SSPX priests, after an initial period of not knowing exactly WHAT to think, will, like my Scottish classmate, go along with whatever decision the SSPX Superior General imposes because, as current Prophet, Seer and Revelator of Menzingen, he alone can discern whatever would have been “the REAL attitude of Monsigneur Lefebvre” in this situation.

    But how, the laity may ask, can SSPX possibly justify full integration and absorption into what +Lefebvre called the “Conciliar Church”? Isn’t there some principle at work here?

    Yes, there is, and any SSPX member must follow it: “Il Duce sempre ha ragione!” Our leader is always right!


    Offline Telesphorus

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    No thinking, Please!
    « Reply #1 on: May 08, 2012, 11:30:25 AM »
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  • I would be better for Father C to post this anonymously and to leave out the talk about ordering snails.  



    Offline Capt McQuigg

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    « Reply #2 on: May 08, 2012, 11:55:16 AM »
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  • I'm thinking to myself, "Are snails tasty?  Expensive?  Sublime on a plate?  Nasty?"  I actually prefer the plate of linguini with crab meat offered by Red Lobster.

    This is a historical time and soon we will read about a historical event.

     :pray: ===>for the SSPX

     :pray: ===>for the Restoration of the Roman Catholic Church

     :pray: ====>for the conversion of the Conciliarists!  


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    No thinking, Please!
    « Reply #3 on: May 08, 2012, 12:07:45 PM »
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    I would be better for Father C to post this anonymously and to leave out the talk about ordering snails.  



    He (and Bp. Dolan, of course) can't help himself.
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    No thinking, Please!
    « Reply #4 on: May 08, 2012, 12:27:45 PM »
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    I would be better for Father C to post this anonymously and to leave out the talk about ordering snails.  



    It would be better if Emerentiana would have posted this without the bold print.


    Offline Emerentiana

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    No thinking, Please!
    « Reply #5 on: May 08, 2012, 01:01:02 PM »
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    I would be better for Father C to post this anonymously and to leave out the talk about ordering snails.  



    It would be better if Emerentiana would have posted this without the bold print.


    I like bold print! :dancing:

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    No thinking, Please!
    « Reply #6 on: May 08, 2012, 01:17:04 PM »
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    I'm thinking to myself, "Are snails tasty?  Expensive?  



    Snails are quite tasty.  They are usually served mixed with a garlic butter sauce.  They aren't any more expensive than seafood.  

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    No thinking, Please!
    « Reply #7 on: May 08, 2012, 03:17:35 PM »
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  • I was a part of the the thread on Ignis yesterday that was started by Father Cekada, the post he made being the one that Emerentiana quoted. There were a few dumb posts on that thread, such as:

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    Nor do I understand why sedes are treated better than N.O.'ers.
    At least the N.O.'s love and acknowledge our Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI.


    Insanity. I know Archbishop LeFebvre wouldn't have rejected sedes but kissed up to Novus Ordites.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 08, 2012, 07:15:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cheryl
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    I'm thinking to myself, "Are snails tasty?  Expensive?  



    Snails are quite tasty.  They are usually served mixed with a garlic butter sauce.  They aren't any more expensive than seafood.  


    http://www.thegoring.com/diningroom.aspx

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    Starter

    Soup of the week
    Marinated smoked Scottish haddock with lemon, horseradish cream and chervil
    Jersey Royal potato and pea shoot salad
    Eggs Drumkilbo with brown bread and butter
    cuмbrian black pudding with crispy pig's ears and homemade piccalilli
    Vegetable cruditéwith poached quail egg and sherry vinegar dressing
    Glazed Scottish lobster omelette
    Goosnargh duck leg terrine with pickled red cabbage

    Main Course

    Stuffed baby aubergine with spinach, potato sauce

    Wild mushroom and leek tart with leek sauce

    Mixed seafood with spinach and a shellfish broth

    Poached Loch Duart salmon with sprouting broccoli and Jersey Royal potato sauce

    Pan fried fillet of sea bass with artichokes, potatoes, stonecrop and red wine sauce

    Grilled Cornish mackerel with a tomato and herb dressing and onions
     
    Slow roast Romney Marsh lamb breast with fαɢɢօts, three cornered garlic, shallots and a red wine sauce

    Lincolnshire ham knuckle and egg pithivier with pea purée and English mustard sauce

    Roast Goosnargh duck breast with apple purée, apricot stuffing and a port sauce

    Roast Suffolk chicken with spring onions with spring greens, wild mushrooms and Madeira sauce

    From the Trolley

    Fillet of beef Wellington with a red wine sauce

    Selection of Puddings or British Cheese from the trolley

    Dinner for £49.50

    Tea, coffee and petites fours
    £5.50

    Treat Yourself
    Caviar

    Sevruga 30 gms £90.00 50 gms £150.00 100 gms £300.00
    Beluga 50 gms £300.00 100 gms £600.00    

    Special starters offered at a supplement
    Potted Lytham shrimps £7.75
    Crab cocktail £5.00

    Special main courses offered at a supplement

    Dover sole, grilled or pan fried with new potatoes and spinach £16.00

    Grilled calves liver with sweet cured Suffolk bacon and onion gravy £4.50

    Roast best end of Romney Marsh lamb with rosemary jus £ 8.50

    Extra Vegetables
    £4.25 each
    Spinach (buttered/creamed/steamed)
    Mashed swede with black pepper
    Sprouting broccoli
    Braised red cabbage
    Honey roast parsnips
    Jersey Royal new potatoes


    Prices include VAT. An optional 12½% service charge will be added to your bill.
    We respectfully ask you not to use your mobile phone in the Dining Room.

    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    No thinking, Please!
    « Reply #9 on: May 08, 2012, 07:53:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: SJB
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    I would be better for Father C to post this anonymously and to leave out the talk about ordering snails.  


    He (and Bp. Dolan, of course) can't help himself.

    And SJB can't help himself either! :furtive:

    Quote from: VoicesInSJB'sHeadRepeatedly

    :devil2: paint Cekada as :devil2: paint Cekada as :devil2: paint Cekada as :devil2:

     :shocked: must … somehow … link … Goring … 1989 … to … Columbus … building … $$$  :shocked:

     :shocked: must … somehow … link … Goring … 1989 … to … Columbus … building … $$$  :shocked:

     :shocked: must … somehow … link … Goring … 1989 … to … Columbus … building … $$$  :shocked:

     :shocked: must … somehow … link … Goring … 1989 … to … Columbus … building … $$$  :shocked:

    Offline SJB

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    « Reply #10 on: May 08, 2012, 07:58:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Canute
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    I would be better for Father C to post this anonymously and to leave out the talk about ordering snails.  


    He (and Bp. Dolan, of course) can't help himself.

    And SJB can't help himself either! :furtive:

    Quote from: VoicesInSJB'sHeadRepeatedly

    :devil2: paint Cekada as :devil2: paint Cekada as :devil2: paint Cekada as :devil2:

     :shocked: must … somehow … link … Goring … 1989 … to … Columbus … building … $$$  :shocked:

     :shocked: must … somehow … link … Goring … 1989 … to … Columbus … building … $$$  :shocked:

     :shocked: must … somehow … link … Goring … 1989 … to … Columbus … building … $$$  :shocked:

     :shocked: must … somehow … link … Goring … 1989 … to … Columbus … building … $$$  :shocked:


    What's the matter, Ceknut? Deep down, don't you wish Fr. Cekada wouldn't bring up ordering snails (with Fr. Dolan, of course) at The Goring?

    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


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    « Reply #11 on: May 08, 2012, 10:54:13 PM »
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  • Can one order the Slow roast Romney Marsh lamb breast with a different accompaniment?

    Offline Sigismund

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    « Reply #12 on: May 08, 2012, 11:07:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    I would be better for Father C to post this anonymously and to leave out the talk about ordering snails.  



    I don't know about the anonymous part, but I definitely agree with you about the snails.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir