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No One Can Judge the Rightful Pope!
« on: June 27, 2024, 03:05:37 PM »
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  • URGENT:  Stop the imminent "extrajudicial" excommunication of Pope Vigano!

    Remember this? On 14 October 2019

    "...In this extraordinary situation, before God and before the Church, I realize my duty as an orthodox Catholic bishop, and therefore I elect Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano as the rightful Pope."  "...In order to prevent the conversion of the Church of Christ into a pagan anti-Church of the New Age, an extraordinary step had to be taken:  the election of the rightful Pope."

    "An open letter to Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano elected as the rightful successor of the Apostle Peter"

    Your Holiness,

    the manifest heretic Francis Bergoglio occupies the papal office and works towards destroying not only the papacy but the whole Church of Christ.  What is the will of God in this extraordinary situation?  God wants You to accept the papal office.

    We beseech You in the name of God and on behalf of the bleeding Mystical Body of Christ, the Church, to accept the election despite the fierce opposition of the enemies.  Even if You stay in office for several days or weeks facing the struggle, it is an important step towards preserving orthodox doctrine and the Church of Christ.

    Your installation as Pope will not cause a papal schism because Bergoglio, being a heretic, has never been a valid Pope.  So the Church was de facto in a state of Sede Vacante.  This state ends with Your acceptance of Peter's keys.

    In Christ,

    Patriarch Elijah

    and Bishops of the Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate

    + Marcian
    + Methodius
    +Samuel
    +Basil
    +Timothy

    See "Habemus papam/English/" on YouTube from the Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate

    https://bcp-video.org/habemus-papam-3/

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    Re: No One Can Judge the Rightful Pope!
    « Reply #1 on: June 27, 2024, 03:59:13 PM »
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    Re: No One Can Judge the Rightful Pope!
    « Reply #3 on: June 28, 2024, 08:55:47 AM »
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  • "If we assume that +Vigano is sincere and not an infiltrator, then his conditional consecration provided him with the full effects of his office and we are witnessing the power of grace..."

    Pax Vobis

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/jaccuse/

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    Re: No One Can Judge the Rightful Pope!
    « Reply #4 on: June 28, 2024, 09:04:19 AM »
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  • It's ridiculous, just like "pope michael".

    I was speaking of the full effects of his EPISCOPAL office (because, being a "bishop" in the new rite, means he either was never a bishop, or only had part of the office).  +Vigano is not the pope...


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    Re: No One Can Judge the Rightful Pope!
    « Reply #5 on: June 28, 2024, 09:11:26 AM »
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  • It's ridiculous, just like "pope michael".

    I was speaking of the full effects of his EPISCOPAL office (because, being a "bishop" in the new rite, means he either was never a bishop, or only had part of the office).  +Vigano is not the pope...
    Dear Pax Vobis,
    Please provide evidence that Archbishop Vigano was conditionally consecrated, including the date.

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    Re: No One Can Judge the Rightful Pope!
    « Reply #6 on: June 28, 2024, 09:15:02 AM »
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  • :laugh1:  Why?

    You'd rather believe that a handful of random, orthodox prelates have the ability to elect a pope, rather than believe that +Williamson conditionally consecrated +Vigano?  We have no evidence that these orthodox prelates even KNOW +Vigano, yet we have ample evidence that +W and +Vigano have met numerous times, in person.

    Why would you believe a fantastical story, yet question the plausible one...a story which +W has even implicitly backed up and which others have confirmed for him?

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    Re: No One Can Judge the Rightful Pope!
    « Reply #7 on: June 28, 2024, 09:27:30 AM »
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  • "It would be ironic if +Vigano became the next pope, having been the nuncio to the United States, and then reclaim the Tiara which has now been exiled to the US."

    Ladislaus

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/jaccuse/15/


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    Re: No One Can Judge the Rightful Pope!
    « Reply #8 on: June 28, 2024, 10:08:57 AM »
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  • Dear Pax Vobis,
    Please provide evidence that Archbishop Vigano was conditionally consecrated, including the date.

    I know an individual who speaks regularly with Bishop Williamson and who told me that Bishop Williamson personally confirmed the conditional consecration to him.  I know another individual who is in contact with Father Chazal, who in turn is in contact with Bishop Williamson, who states that Father Chazal the same thing to him.  Finally, the forum moderator Matthew stated that the conditional consecration was confirmed by him as fact.

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    Re: No One Can Judge the Rightful Pope!
    « Reply #9 on: June 28, 2024, 10:58:05 AM »
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  • :laugh1:  Why?

    You'd rather believe that a handful of random, orthodox prelates have the ability to elect a pope, rather than believe that +Williamson conditionally consecrated +Vigano?  We have no evidence that these orthodox prelates even KNOW +Vigano, yet we have ample evidence that +W and +Vigano have met numerous times, in person.

    Why would you believe a fantastical story, yet question the plausible one...a story which +W has even implicitly backed up and which others have confirmed for him?
    Dear Pax Vobis,

    If you "believe" from secondary sources that Bishop Vigano was conditionally consecrated, why do you laugh at the proof of his Papal election?

    I know that bishops of the Catholic Church "have the ability to elect a pope", in certain circuмstances, based on the writings of Cardinal Billot.

    Bishop Vigano's election is a fact.  It is a matter of knowledge, not a "belief".  The evidence of that fact is in the OP which includes the date, 14 October, 2019, the video of the bishops, the results of the election docuмent, and the Open Letter to Archbishop Vigano.  The only thing we do not know is whether or not he said, "Yes".

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    Re: No One Can Judge the Rightful Pope!
    « Reply #10 on: June 28, 2024, 11:07:18 AM »
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  • I know an individual who speaks regularly with Bishop Williamson and who told me that Bishop Williamson personally confirmed the conditional consecration to him.  I know another individual who is in contact with Father Chazal, who in turn is in contact with Bishop Williamson, who states that Father Chazal the same thing to him.  Finally, the forum moderator Matthew stated that the conditional consecration was confirmed by him as fact.
    Dear Ladislaus,

    Thank you for your clear affirmation.  I want it to be true, but as Bishop Williamson has said, "Show me the E-VI-DENCE".  Perhaps Bishop Vigano is showing us the fruit of that consecration today in "J'accuse"!


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    Re: No One Can Judge the Rightful Pope!
    « Reply #11 on: June 28, 2024, 11:09:20 AM »
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  • Dear Ladislaus,

    Thank you for your clear affirmation.  I want it to be true, but as Bishop Williamson has said, "Show me the E-VI-DENCE".  Perhaps Bishop Vigano is showing us the fruit of that consecration today in "J'accuse"!

    What do you need "evidence" for?  Are you being served by a priest who was ordained by +Vigano?

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    Re: No One Can Judge the Rightful Pope!
    « Reply #12 on: June 28, 2024, 11:14:59 AM »
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  • What do you need "evidence" for?  Are you being served by a priest who was ordained by +Vigano?
    Dear Ladislaus,

    The faithful have the right to know where the Church is.

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    Re: No One Can Judge the Rightful Pope!
    « Reply #13 on: June 28, 2024, 11:20:14 AM »
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  • Quote
    Bishop Vigano's election is a fact.  It is a matter of knowledge, not a "belief".  The evidence of that fact is in the OP which includes the date, 14 October, 2019, the video of the bishops, the results of the election docuмent, and the Open Letter to Archbishop Vigano.  The only thing we do not know is whether or not he said, "Yes".
    If +Vigano didn't say "yes" then there's no election, it's simply a group of random people who decided to take a vote.

    Please provide proof that 1) +Vigano is even aware of this "vote", 2) his response and date.

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    Re: No One Can Judge the Rightful Pope!
    « Reply #14 on: June 28, 2024, 11:34:17 AM »
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  • Please provide evidence that Archbishop Vigano was conditionally consecrated, including the date.
    I'd be happy if either he or Bishop Williamson would just publicly announce it.