Author Topic: NO nun accepted into SSPX convent in New Zealand (Read 4284 times)

Thursday · « **on:** August 24, 2011, 07:37:53 PM »

Don't know what kind of spin traditio put on this, if any, but Bp Fellay does seem a bit to friendly with the NO crowd. Bp Williamson alluded to the cozying up to the NO in his latest blog "danger".

Traditio comment.

Just as our correspondents have reported in previous Daily Commentaries that Bernie Fellay, the Neo-SSPX's Superior General, is using presbyters from the New Order sect to staff certain of his Neo-SSPX locations and refuses to admit that Hannibal Bugnini's Protestantized New Ordinal of 1968 is per se invalid, as was declared by Pope Leo XIII for the Anglican Ordinal after which it is modeled, now it seems that Fellay is doing a "nun" exchange with the Newchurch of the New Order.

An Indian Newchurch "nun," Mary Micaela, was sent by the Novus Ordo sect to infiltrate the Neo-SSPX's convent at Wanganui, New Zealand, having been delegated by the New Order's Congregation for Religious and Secular Institutes in Newrome to do so. The Neo-SSPX District Superior, Daniel Couture, was specifically charged by Fellay to admit the Novus Ordo nun. [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by the Neo-SSPX sources.]

here.
http://www.traditio.com/comment/com1108.htm

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #1 on:** August 24, 2011, 07:59:54 PM »

Please do not post or take seriously Traditio.com news.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #2 on:** August 24, 2011, 08:18:37 PM »

Matthew doesn't allows Traditio's ad hominem articles on the SSPX to be posted here.

LordPhan · « **Reply #3 on:** August 24, 2011, 08:34:07 PM »

Now we're getting attacked because we converted a nun?

By their fruits you will know them. Traditio is not Catholic.

Sigismund · « **Reply #4 on:** August 24, 2011, 08:58:30 PM »

Did the nun in question actually convert? And is it really converting to go from one order to another?

LordPhan · « **Reply #5 on:** August 24, 2011, 09:00:37 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Did the nun in question actually convert? And is it really converting to go from one order to another?

It is converting to go from the Heresy of the Novus Ordo to true Catholicism.

Daegus · « **Reply #6 on:** August 24, 2011, 10:05:26 PM »

traditio has great disdain for the SSPX, so don't be surprised.

Thursday · « **Reply #7 on:** August 25, 2011, 05:11:40 AM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

Matthew doesn't allows Traditio's ad hominem articles on the SSPX to be posted here.

Hardly an ad hominem attack. The claim is that according to SSPX sources a NO nun is being used as staff at the SSPX . Perhaps she converted or went through a Novus ordo deprogramming course but if not I'd like to know why she is with the sspx.
Particularly in light of Bishop williamson's comments from last week (below).

ELEISON COMMENTS CCXIV (Aug. 20, 2011) : "GREEK GIFTS" -- I

On September 14 in a few weeks' time is due to take place in Rome, so we are told, a meeting of Cardinal Levada and Roman officials with the Superior General of the Society of St Pius X and his two Assistants. Catholics who appreciate all that Archbishop Lefebvre and his Society have been given to do over the last 40 years in defence of the Faith need to be forewarned, because that Faith is ever more in danger, and "Forewarned is forearmed", especially by prayer.

It was Cardinal Levada, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who was entrusted two years ago with overseeing the doctrinal Discussions that ran from the autumn of 2009 to April of this year, between Rome and the SSPX. It was Rome that invited the SSPX to this meeting. It seems reasonable to anticipate that the Romans on September 14 will be laying down as to future relations with the SSPX their decision emerging from the Discussions.

Now by all accounts the Discussions made clear that no doctrinal agreement is possible between the SSPX as cleaving to the age-old Church doctrine, and today's Rome as set upon the Conciliar teaching of the Newchurch, and moreover persevering in this disorientation, as is clear from the Newbeatification of John-Paul II in May and from Assisi III due to happen this coming October. So the situation coming out of the Discussions remains exactly where it was two years ago, going into the Discussions: on the one hand, for the glory of God and for the salvation of souls, the SSPX strives to help Rome back to the true Catholic Faith, whilst for the glory of modern man and for the satisfaction of his ignoble media (as in January and February of 2009), Conciliar Rome is doing all within its power to induce the SSPX to blend into the mind- and soul-rotting ecuмenism of the Newfaith.

What then can we imagine Rome imposing on September 14 ? Either carrot or stick, more probably, as adjusted by their expertise in its reading of the current state of mind within the SSPX, both. The stick could be a threat of total "excommunication" for the SSPX, once and for all. But who that has the Catholic Faith could be scared by such a threat ? When Archbishop Lefebvre was threatened for the first time with "excommunication" from the Newchurch, we remember his reply: "How can I be put out of a 'church' to which I have never belonged ?"

On the other hand the cleverest carrot from Rome could be the apparently irresistible offer of "full communion with Rome" on the SSPX's own terms. Only there might be hidden away a little clause that would stipulate that future SSPX Superiors and Bishops might be chosen by a joint committee of Rome and the SSPX with the merest majority of members being -- Romans. After all, would the SSPX be wanting to come under Rome, or not ? "Make up your minds !" will be their reasonable demand, as Cardinal Ratzinger reportedly cried out in 2001.

Clear minds recall the saying of the wise -- but scorned -- Trojan who did not want the Greeks' Horse to be brought into Troy: "Howsoever it be, I fear the Greeks, even when they bear gifts." But the Trojan Horse was brought in. We all know what happened to Troy.

Baskerville · « **Reply #8 on:** August 25, 2011, 06:44:04 AM »

Did she convert to Catholicism?

Baskerville · « **Reply #9 on:** August 25, 2011, 06:48:08 AM »

Quote from: Kephapaulos

Please do not post or take seriously Traditio.com news.

They're more honest than anything that is said by the the Heretical Vatican.

Pyrrhos · « **Reply #10 on:** August 25, 2011, 07:37:20 AM »

The most interesting part of this news is, that the NO authorities allowed a transfer into a SSPX(-associated) group for the first time. Go figure.

John Grace · « **Reply #11 on:** August 25, 2011, 08:22:32 AM »

It was posted on Rorate Caeli which is no friend of the SSPX.That blog seems to support some type of half way house in relation to Tradition.What I found interesting though is the url http://dominicansisterswanganui.blogspot.com/2011/08/momentous-occasion.html brings up "Page not found
Sorry, the page you were looking for in the blog The Dominican Sisters of Wanganui does not exist."

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/08/ltetur-mons-sion-et-exsultent-fili-jud.html#more

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"On 28 May 2011 Father Couture, the District Superior, came to visit our Convent. He had been delegated by Bishop Fellay to receive the vows of Mother Mary Micaela as she transferred from the Congregation of the Dominican Sisters of New Zealand to the Dominican Sisters of Wanganui. [A congregation "friendly" with the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X - FSSPX / SSPX.]

"She had special permission from the Congregation for Religious and Secular Institutes in Rome to do this. As far as we know this is a world first, that a Sister would be allowed to transfer from a Novus Ordo congregation to a congregation set up by Bishop Fellay. The whole procedure implies a recognition of our Congregation, and of the religious of Tradition, by Rome."

[Source and text: "Dominican Sisters of Wanganui", New Zealand - we really do not know any details except those mentioned by this specific congregation, so we do not know exactly what happened or how it happened; tip: reader "Long-Skirts".]

Why have the Dominican Sisters since removed reference to this "momentous-occasion"?

Here is a cache of their orginal post

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Sunday, August 7, 2011
A Momentous Occasion

On 28 May 2011 Father Couture, the District Superior, came to visit our Convent. He had been delegated by Bishop Fellay to receive the vows of Mother Mary Micaela as she transferred from the Congregation of the Dominican Sisters of New Zealand to the Dominican Sisters of Wanganui.

She had special permission from the Congregation for Religious and Secular Institutes in Rome to do this. As far as we know this is a world first, that a Sister would be allowed to transfer from a Novus Ordo congregation to a congregation set up by Bishop Fellay. The whole procedure implies a recognition of our Congregation, and of the religious of Tradition, by Rome.

On the same day, we had moreover, the joy of witnessing Sr. Maria Swarupa - our sister from India - receive the holy habit of St Dominic. Deo Gratias!

Of course, our loyalty to the Society of St Pius X and to Bishop Fellay, as our superior, remains undeviating. We are grateful to them for setting our congregation up and for all they have done for us spiritually and temporally. May God grant that we always prosper under the umbrella of the SSPX!

Posted by The Dominican Sisters of Wanganui at 3:26 PM

Thursday · « **Reply #12 on:** August 25, 2011, 10:01:22 AM »

Thanks for digging that up, John. Wish I had more time to look into it.

romanitaspress · « **Reply #13 on:** August 29, 2011, 10:08:27 AM »

Quote from: Pyrrhos

The most interesting part of this news is, that the NO authorities allowed a transfer into a SSPX(-associated) group for the first time. Go figure.

This is not the first time: the SSPX was granted the power to incardinate clergy and religious into its religious congregation very shortly after its formal erection by the Congregation of the Clergy; one of the first incardinated priests was Trappist Fr. Urban Synder from the famous Gethsemane Monastery in Kentucky. Read more here: http://sspx.org/SSPX_FAQs/a_short_history_of_the_sspx-part-1.htm.

John Grace · « **Reply #14 on:** August 31, 2011, 01:20:38 PM »

Why was the url http://dominicansisterswanganui.blogspot.com/2011/08/momentous-occasion.html removed?