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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: cassini on September 30, 2017, 06:13:37 PM

Title: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: cassini on September 30, 2017, 06:13:37 PM: 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Muslims, Protestants and Syrian schismatics welcome, but not the Latin Mass of Trent.

In Ireland there was a traditional SSPX pilgrimage to a Mass rock first and then on to Knock for rosary and devotions. In recent years the authorities at Knock allowed the Latin Mass to be said in the church of the Apparition, with the usual 15 decades of the rosary and devotions afterwards. In 2017 however, on informing the authorities of their proposed visit they were told they were forbidden to say Mass in any of the Knock buildings. Members of the annual trip decided they would bring a tent with them for the Mass. On September 15^th, 2017 however, two young priests of the Society, one American and the other Australian, with a congregation of around 100 men, women and children, upon their putting up the tent were asked to take it down and leave the grounds of Knock. This order was questioned and one of the security men went off to check up on it. When he returned the message was clear, yes, the group was to vacate the Knock shrine grounds and not to return for their rosary or anything as a group. The reason given was that the Society of Pope Pius X are ‘canonically irregular.’ Given the SSPX is a society of priests, the 100 or so on the pilgrimage with them were wondering if they too were considered ‘irregular’ when told not to come back for their rosary? The two priests were shocked to say the least but told all to leave quietly and with dignity. But worse that that, for now heretics and schismatics are welcome, but those dedicated to the traditional teaching of Catholicism and the Mass of ages are no longer welcome. It was raining at the time. Given there was ‘no room at the inn’ they looked for somewhere to say their Mass. As it happened, a restaurant car-park owner gave permission for the priests to say their Mass in it. Kneeling in the wet mud, the priest, under an umbrella, Christ’s sacrifice was re-enacted. The pilgrims then said the full rosary along the streets of Knock village.

“By their Fruits you will know them”

The good Lord told us: ‘By their fruits you shall know them.’ Could anyone be in any doubt now that the apparition at this same church of St John the Baptist of 21^st August 1879, foretold the return of Cromwell’s hatred and suppression of the traditional Latin Mass. It is almost unbelievable that those who are now implementing Cromwell’s orders to suppress the Mass defended by Pope Pius V, do so under orders from Rome, the same Rome Our Lady at La Salette warned ‘would become the seat of the Antichrist.’

Comment from The Remnant website in regard to the rejection of the Latin Mass from Knock

Many of my "Novus Ordo" friends go on regular day trips/pilgrimages and visits to Knock Shrine. They return seeming more and more confused about the Catholic Faith, relating wonderful testimonies delivered by "speakers," mostly non practicing "pick 'n mix" lay Catholics or non Catholics. They attend Guided Prayer Sessions given by "mufti" nuns promoting New Age ideologies. "Healing Services" are offered in the middle of Mass after the Gospel, announced as "The Sacrament of the Sick". I stood in the line at one of these "Sessions" myself to inquire from the priest if this was "Extreme Unction" as I didn't know there were 8 Sacraments. He became a bit uneasy, and said "Speak to me later." I declined! Catholics are being as seriously misled in Knock as they are in Novus Ordo churches. I believe its present practices are a danger to the Faith. How sad! I would never go there again unless I could be part of a Traditional pilgrimage similar to one I experienced three years ago when I was privileged to attend a SSPX pilgrimage there. Holy Mass was offered in the Apparition Church (with permission). So many "modern" people joined with the "irregular" group that the church was overflowing. The priest had to return to the altar to subdivide the Sacred Host many times during the distribution of Holy Communion. It was like the miracle of the loaves and fishes. Everybody received, kneeling and on the tongue. There was silence in the church that day. Our Lady was truly at the Foot of The Cross of Calvary. My guess is, that this didn't go unnoticed by the "Powers that Be".

On September 16th 2017, they ensured that the regular pilgrims would not witness the True Mass.
May Our Lady of Knock restore the Mass of all ages to our altars.
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 30, 2017, 08:13:36 PM: .
Who is "I" in the last part, "Comment from The Remnant website in regard to the rejection of the Latin Mass from Knock?"
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Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: Marlelar on September 30, 2017, 08:51:06 PM: Heartbreaking that NO "Catholics" will not even be able to get a glimpse of a true Mass.
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: DZ PLEASE on September 30, 2017, 09:24:32 PM: Quote from: Marlelar on September 30, 2017, 08:51:06 PM
Heartbreaking that NO "Catholics" will not even be able to get a glimpse of a true Mass.
Take heart ma'am, for this could be just the goad needed.

The mass shouldn't be a narcotic, the sanctuary an opium den.
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: Maria Regina on October 01, 2017, 12:12:03 AM: Quote from: Marlelar on September 30, 2017, 08:51:06 PM
Heartbreaking that NO "Catholics" will not even be able to get a glimpse of a true Mass.
It is heartbreaking that NO Catholics (especially those in the Los Angeles Archdiocese) are being told by faithful NO priests that any Latin Mass not approved by the local ordinary is illicit, yet some of my friends have become so scrupulous that they dare not approach any "mass" not approved by the Vatican and its NO followers for fear that they will have committed a mortal sin.

However, these same NO Catholics will walk out of a NO Mass where clowns parade down the aisle, etc.
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 01, 2017, 12:40:30 AM: Quote from: Maria Regina on October 01, 2017, 12:12:03 AM
It is heartbreaking that NO Catholics (especially those in the Los Angeles Archdiocese) are being told by faithful NO priests that any Latin Mass not approved by the local ordinary is illicit, yet some of my friends have become so scrupulous that they dare not approach any "mass" not approved by the Vatican and its NO followers for fear that they will have committed a mortal sin.

However, these same NO Catholics will walk out of a NO Mass where clowns parade down the aisle, etc.
Is it possible, at least individually, that they are instead being less inconsistent and less incoherent, and not scrupulous?

You did write that they well walk out on more blatant abomination, did you not?

Ma'am, traditionally speaking just who exactly makes the determination as to whether another is or is not scrupulous?
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: Maria Regina on October 01, 2017, 01:42:51 AM: Quote from: DZ PLEASE on October 01, 2017, 12:40:30 AM
Is it possible, at least individually, that they are instead being less inconsistent and less incoherent, and not scrupulous?

You did write that they well walk out on more blatant abomination, did you not?

Ma'am, traditionally speaking just who exactly makes the determination as to whether another is or is not scrupulous?
Please see this new thread which deals with scrupulosity: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/has-there-been-a-rise-in-scrupulosity-since-vatican-ii/msg570022/#msg570022
Scrupulosity is a "Catholic issue" where a priest-confessor will diagnose a penitent and thereby exact obedience from that penitent.
Unscrupulous priests will use it to control the penitent.
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 01, 2017, 01:56:34 AM: Quote from: Maria Regina on October 01, 2017, 01:42:51 AM
Please see this new thread which deals with scrupulosity: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/has-there-been-a-rise-in-scrupulosity-since-vatican-ii/msg570022/#msg570022

> Already have ma'am

Scrupulosity is a "Catholic issue" where a priest-confessor will diagnose a penitent and thereby exact obedience from that penitent.

>Well at least you sort of answered that bit.

Unscrupulous priests will use it to control the penitent.

>And you know this how?
>Presuming that you do know this, just how pronounced is it and how would you know that?
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: stgobnait on October 01, 2017, 02:31:21 AM: The authorities in Knock must be following Crd Burke..... ::)
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: cassini on October 01, 2017, 10:51:08 AM: Quote from: stgobnait on October 01, 2017, 02:31:21 AM
The authorities in Knock must be following Crd Burke..... ::)

Yes, did you ever read such nonsense, they can celebrate marriages according to Rome but not a legal Mass.
Catholicism is in chaos, we can go to legal CLOWN masses but not SSPX Latin M<asses.

No Mass better than a SSPX Mass.

The Devil wears many disguises.

https://akacatholic.com/breaking-cardinal-burke-slams-fsspx/
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: cassini on October 01, 2017, 11:01:15 AM: Quote from: Neil Obstat on September 30, 2017, 08:13:36 PM
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Who is "I" in the last part, "Comment from The Remnant website in regard to the rejection of the Latin Mass from Knock?"
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Imelda Tobin, an Irish traditional Catholic mother.
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: St.Patrick on October 01, 2017, 12:15:22 PM: Don't worry Cassini. They will probably get it next year once they explain that they have been regularised. Four agreements already. Most notably marriage.
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: Maria Regina on October 01, 2017, 06:16:57 PM: Quote from: cassini on October 01, 2017, 10:51:08 AM
Yes, did you ever read such nonsense, they can celebrate marriages according to Rome but not a legal Mass.
Catholicism is in chaos, we can go to legal CLOWN masses but not SSPX Latin M<asses.

No Mass better than a SSPX Mass.

The Devil wears many disguises.

https://akacatholic.com/breaking-cardinal-burke-slams-fsspx/
NO Clown mass is diabolic precisely because the devil loves distractions. In this way, people cannot pray; they are only entertained. They think they are satisfying their Sunday obligation, but they are not. Instead, they have fallen into delusion and deception.
Didn't our Lady appear at Knock? What did she have to say?
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: St Ignatius on October 01, 2017, 07:07:37 PM: Quote from: Maria Regina on October 01, 2017, 06:16:57 PM
Didn't our Lady appear at Knock? What did she have to say?
I guess you must have missed this wonderful essay by cassini...

Read here... (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/apocalypse-ch-12-sign-of-the-woman-and-planet-x-nirubu-the-red-dragon/msg561106/#msg561106)
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: St.Patrick on October 01, 2017, 07:39:49 PM: The resistance had their pilgrimage on the same day and they had no problems. We were not so naive to think that the authorities would let us have Mass so we organized it in a hotel.

Because we had not antagonized anyone, we therefore said our rosary and stations in peace when we got to the Shrine.

The SSPX in Ireland is trying to play a double game. Victim sufferers for the Mass on one hand and pleasing to the world on the other. They must soon choose whose side they are on. Time will run out for the of fooling their faithful, and when SSPX people start seeing the local parish priests present at their childrens marriages (already there in principle and on paper), then they might start to wake up. But by that stage it may be too late...
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: Maria Regina on October 01, 2017, 07:48:39 PM: Quote from: St Ignatius on October 01, 2017, 07:07:37 PM
I guess you must have missed this wonderful essay by cassini...

Read here... (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/apocalypse-ch-12-sign-of-the-woman-and-planet-x-nirubu-the-red-dragon/msg561106/#msg561106)
Thank you. Very interesting reading.
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: Maria Regina on October 01, 2017, 07:55:47 PM: Quote from: St.Patrick on October 01, 2017, 07:39:49 PM
The resistance had their pilgrimage on the same day and they had no problems. We were not so naive to think that the authorities would let us have Mass so we organized it in a hotel.

Because we had not antagonized anyone, we therefore said our rosary and stations in peace when we got to the Shrine.

Very wise moves.
SSPX's wheels were making loud noises, so they got the grease job.
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on October 05, 2017, 03:00:59 AM: The Mass of Knock during apparitions is the Latin Mass; not Vatican II.

I would want to go to actual Church where the apparitions appeared.

I have been to knock Shrine.
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on October 05, 2017, 03:03:52 AM: The Penal days are back world wide. This time we are being persecuted by our own fellow Catholics.
Title: Re: No Latin Mass at Knock shows Knock was fortelling its rejection by Rome
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on October 05, 2017, 03:09:35 AM: Archbishop Fulton Sheen, pray for us.