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Offline AnthonyPadua

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NO funerals / weddings?
« on: August 17, 2025, 01:10:08 AM »
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  • Are these safe to attend? I am unfamiliar with these. I already avoid NO first communions and confirmation but am unsure about these.

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    Re: NO funerals / weddings?
    « Reply #1 on: August 17, 2025, 10:30:02 AM »
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  • Are these safe to attend? I am unfamiliar with these. I already avoid NO first communions and confirmation but am unsure about these.
    Attend yet, but not participate.  :cowboy:

    Baptisms and Weddings can validly take place without a priest.  So, they are the 2 Sacraments we will agree to attend for novus ordo family members.  (Also to be witnesses that they were done correctly in case a family member should ever become traditional and need witness of that.)

    Funerals are similar...  It is considered an act of mercy to bury the dead.  
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    Re: NO funerals / weddings?
    « Reply #2 on: August 17, 2025, 11:35:59 AM »
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  • Are these safe to attend? I am unfamiliar with these. I already avoid NO first communions and confirmation but am unsure about these.
    I went to one NO funeral about 25 years ago or so, never again. So for me, no, not entering the den of thieves even for passive attendance of any NO service no matter what. 
     
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    Re: NO funerals / weddings?
    « Reply #3 on: August 17, 2025, 12:00:31 PM »
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  • Many years ago we assisted at a hybrid wedding. The groom was Prot, and the bride NO Catholic. What a disaster...the Catholic priest consecrated the Bread, the Prot minister did the Wine. !
    Let's just say it was an uncomfortable ceremony, shall we?

    How about weddings in front of a Justice of the Peace? 
    A neoS spx faithful asked the priest if he could be part of the "Wedding Party", for a ceremony in front of a Justice of the Peace. Spouses have no religion I presume. The priest gave permission...? 
    But the grave distinction is "assist" [party of the five, or participation], or attend ( simply being present). Sorry I don't have more details today, but eventually. Anyway, smells scandalous, sinful.
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    Re: NO funerals / weddings?
    « Reply #4 on: August 17, 2025, 01:40:09 PM »
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  • Speak with your priest if you have one. Every case is different. Although the n.o. baptism of one of my niece’s daughters was cringeworthy, a few people in grossly immodest or inappropriate attire, the deacon, not priest, was acting, well, silly. I could see that it was at least valid. Frankly, we could have done a better, more dignified lay baptism in the backyard. 


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    Re: NO funerals / weddings?
    « Reply #5 on: August 17, 2025, 07:53:26 PM »
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  • New order is walking into a masonic lodge.  I would not attend, it is giving the implication that you agree.

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    Re: NO funerals / weddings?
    « Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 09:29:26 PM »
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  • Many Novus Ordo laity are free masons. 

    Opus Dei resembles free masonry.  

    A free mason founded the Sons of Italy.  Stay away from that. 


    Ancient order of Hibernians has some free masonry elements of secrecy and along with Knights of Columbus.  

    Looking back, maybe it’s more Catholic to remain home with family praying the rosary and reading the Bible.  






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    Re: NO funerals / weddings?
    « Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 09:39:53 PM »
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  • I haven't been to a NO wedding in years, I am unsure if they do a the 'mass' and communion there. As for funerals I have never been so I am also unsure about if they do a mass.


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    « Reply #8 on: Today at 05:26:56 AM »
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  • I haven't been to a NO wedding in years, I am unsure if they do a the 'mass' and communion there. As for funerals I have never been so I am also unsure about if they do a mass.
    Yes...  They will likely do a "mass" with it as well...  The same with a funeral.

    The novus ordo place my family goes to sometimes will do the wedding before the "mass" and then one can just leave at that point...but most places at least get through the gospel and sermon and then have the wedding at that point.

    For funerals I think you could probably just attend the burial and miss out on most of their service stuff at church...

    As Seraphina said...  Definitely cringeworthy anytime we have been there, but we go more to witness that things are done validly. I am not sure if we have ever been to a novus ordo funeral since becoming traditional but we have been to Baptisms and weddings. 

    And as we literally sit through the whole thing everyone knows we aren't participating and no scandal is given.  (Unless you count scandalizing the novus ordo people...and their looking at us weird because we aren't taking part. :laugh1: :laugh2:)
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    Re: NO funerals / weddings?
    « Reply #9 on: Today at 08:20:06 AM »
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  • Yes...  They will likely do a "mass" with it as well...  The same with a funeral.

    The novus ordo place my family goes to sometimes will do the wedding before the "mass" and then one can just leave at that point...but most places at least get through the gospel and sermon and then have the wedding at that point.

    For funerals I think you could probably just attend the burial and miss out on most of their service stuff at church...

    As Seraphina said...  Definitely cringeworthy anytime we have been there, but we go more to witness that things are done validly. I am not sure if we have ever been to a novus ordo funeral since becoming traditional but we have been to Baptisms and weddings.

    And as we literally sit through the whole thing everyone knows we aren't participating and no scandal is given.  (Unless you count scandalizing the novus ordo people...and their looking at us weird because we aren't taking part. :laugh1: :laugh2:)
    Well NO baptisms don't have a mass. Also when they stand in baptisms are we also not supposed to stand? I never joined them in prayer but sitting and standing...

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    Re: NO funerals / weddings?
    « Reply #10 on: Today at 09:44:56 AM »
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  • Well NO baptisms don't have a mass. Also when they stand in baptisms are we also not supposed to stand? I never joined them in prayer but sitting and standing...
    True about the baptisms.  :cowboy:

    We usually sit the whole time through Baptisms to make it obvious that we are watching but not participating.

    For family weddings we sit as well except for entrance of the bridal party and their exit.  (In general we don't go to novus ordo weddings/baptisms except for close family.)
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    Re: NO funerals / weddings?
    « Reply #11 on: Today at 10:18:30 AM »
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  • My comments are meant only as points of information, as I'm a registered parishioner in the Diocese of Spokane and have some familiarity with how things are done today.

    "Well NO baptisms don't have a mass (sic)". This is true, there isn't a "Baptismal Mass" like there is a Nuptial Mass or a Mass of Christian Burial. Some parishes will have Baptisms at a Sunday Mass during the time between the Mass of the Catechumens and the Mass of the Faithful. You may observe that at a 1962 or earlier missal Mass after the Gospel the priest will remove his maniple and place it on the missal to indicate that there is an "interlude" between the two parts of the Mass while he makes announcements and gives his sermon, and other rites might occur. If both parties in a wedding are Catholic the exchange of vows occurs during this interlude in the post VII rites. In the situation of a mixed marriage typically there won't be a Mass, just the readings, Gospel, homily, and exchange of vows. Nuptial Masses aren't permitted after 4:00 PM on Saturdays (as that's when the Sunday obligation begins), so evening weddings won't have a Mass. One perhaps might be seated for the first part and the exchange of vows, then wait outside until the reception, not attending the "Liturgy of the Eucharist".

    The fullness of the Church's funeral rites, BOTH pre and post VII, include the vigil, the Requiem Mass / Mass of Christian Burial, and the blessing of the grave and committal. The official vigil service was, in my understanding, Vespers from the Office of the Dead, which needed to be chanted in Latin by clerics in choir, an almost impossible task since shortly after the Middle Ages when the minor orders no longer existed at the parish level. In the United States it became customary to substitute a Rosary. I've read that this was a custom brought here by the Irish. So for funerals one could attend the Vigil / Rosary (usually held at the mortuary chapel, but it could be in the church) and / or attend the first half of the Mass and hang around outside until the lunch, and / or attend the committal service at the cemetery. As an aside, I don't know what is customary at a traditional chapel, but BOTH pre and post VII it was/is common for almost all parishes to provide a funeral lunch after the burial unless the family prefers not to have one. Usually a subcommittee of the Altar Society is in charge of this. Most families, if they are able, will make a donation for the lunch, but it isn't typically asked for.