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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2026, 10:27:27 PM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on February 01, 2026, 04:21:35 PM
From what I understand the new mass wasn't an immediate change, but they slowly changed things over the years. Also some believe the new rite for priests is valid provided the bishop is a traditional ordained bishop. There is also an issue with the NO using the term "for all" rather than "for many".

I used think that New Rite of Orders MIGHT be valid, but after reading Apostolicae Curae, it's impossible to come to any conclusion other than that the New Rite of Ordination is invalid, even if a valid bishop confers it, and that the New Mass is invalid, even WITH the "for many" put back in.  NOM's invalidity comes from the non-Catholic Offertory.  It's the Offertory that determines the intention of the Holy Sacrifice, and according to the Bogus Ordo "Offertory", the intention is to offer the "fruit of the earth", and not the Spotless Victim, aka Our Lord.  I'll give you one guess how much value some bread and wine have in the eyes of God.
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Offline MiracleOfTheSun

Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2026, 08:07:58 AM »
In Fr. Cekada's tome Work of Human Hands, I believe he mentioned the Offertory for the New Order is actually a joo ish dinner prayer - who woulda thought?  Of course, the main architect in all of it was Bugnini, a legit Freemason and, along with the six Protestant ministers brought in as 'observers', plus all the other New Theology clowns involved, well, it smells like something just ain't kosher with that thing.  It's almost like it was designed to destroy the faith of believers everywhere. lol
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2026, 10:17:03 AM »
Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on February 02, 2026, 08:07:58 AM
In Fr. Cekada's tome Work of Human Hands, I believe he mentioned the Offertory for the New Order is actually a joo ish dinner prayer - who woulda thought?  Of course, the main architect in all of it was Bugnini, a legit Freemason and, along with the six Protestant ministers brought in as 'observers', plus all the other New Theology clowns involved, well, it smells like something just ain't kosher with that thing.  It's almost like it was designed to destroy the faith of believers everywhere. lol

So, that's been pointed out for a long time, but Father Cekada concludes that the NOM has no Offertory.  That's actually not quite correct.  It has no CATHOLIC Offertory for sure.

Here's the issue with the Mass.  Once you get into the Canon, there can be a few different ways to interpret what's going on.  Is this merely a re-enactment, play-acting?  Is it merely a meal held in commemoration, where as part of it we "do this in memory of" Christ, but the essence of it is in our re-enacting of it?

In the Traditional Mass, the Offertory explains (and therefore sets the intention of the Rite) by indicating that we are offering the Spotless Victim in reparation for our sins.  In the Novus Ordo we're offering bread and wine so that they can become a spiritual food and drink.  There's no offering of Christ to God the Fathers ... but bread and wine being offered to God for ... ???
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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2026, 09:00:54 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 01, 2026, 10:27:27 PM
[A]fter reading Apostolicae Curae, it's impossible to come to any conclusion other than that the New Rite of Ordination is invalid, even if a valid bishop confers it, and that the New Mass is invalid, even WITH the "for many" put back in. 

Yup.  The End.
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