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Offline Todd The Trad

Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2026, 01:00:53 AM »
Not that this is my personal stance, but in the east bleeding hosts or hosts turning into flesh are generally considered a bad omen usually due to lack of faith. It is seen as a punishment or a warning, a bad thing rather than a good thing. 
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Offline Avis

Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2026, 12:40:04 PM »
Please apply some logic here. Abp Lefebvre did not believe that all New Masses were invalid. Consequently some (possiblye very few) are valid. If valid, they have a valid consecration so these could be the hosts on which the Good Lord performs a miracle. I do not claim to know His Mind, unlike many on here, but it seems clear that He performs these miracles to wake up Conciliar Catholics to treat the consecrated hosts with respect still. 
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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2026, 04:21:35 PM »
Quote from: Avis on February 01, 2026, 12:40:04 PM
Please apply some logic here. Abp Lefebvre did not believe that all New Masses were invalid. Consequently some (possiblye very few) are valid. If valid, they have a valid consecration so these could be the hosts on which the Good Lord performs a miracle. I do not claim to know His Mind, unlike many on here, but it seems clear that He performs these miracles to wake up Conciliar Catholics to treat the consecrated hosts with respect still.
From what I understand the new mass wasn't an immediate change, but they slowly changed things over the years. Also some believe the new rite for priests is valid provided the bishop is a traditional ordained bishop. There is also an issue with the NO using the term "for all" rather than "for many".
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2026, 10:23:30 PM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on January 31, 2026, 07:01:58 PM
I always assume all NO 'miracles' are from the devil as the new rites are doubtful and therefore must be treated as invalid. I can see no logical reason for them other than keeping people in the NO religion and making them think the new rites are ok.

Of course.  I've said this from the beginning.  Please explain what would prevent the devil from simulating a Eucharistic miracle.  If God permitted it, the devil could simply obtain some human flesh and swap a little piece of the bread out for it.  At one point, in the case of the one nun during the Middle Ages who had everyone fooled, the devil even simulated a "virgin birth".

That's why the Church has NEVER based theology in "miracles" or "private revelations", but the other way around.  If something fails a theological standard, it's rejected by the Church immediately without any further investigation required.

Let's say the New Mass is invalid.  Wouldn't the devil do whatever he could to make people think it was valid?  Absolutely he would.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2026, 10:24:58 PM »
Quote from: Avis on February 01, 2026, 12:40:04 PM
Please apply some logic here. Abp Lefebvre did not believe that all New Masses were invalid.

Please ... tell me you're joking.  Your logic is ... "muh Lefebvre didn't think they were all invalid."  That's your syllogism or whatever, your "logic"?  Is he your rule of faith or something?  Toward the end, he did say that all NO Sacraments should be considered highly doubtful.
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