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Online Ladislaus

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NO Eucharistic Miracles?
« on: March 25, 2025, 11:20:22 AM »
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  • So here's one that US scientists have debunked, and you'll notice the uncanny similarity betweeh this one and BOTH the alleged Polish ones.  In ALL 3 CASES, the "Host" had been dropped onto the floor, and then later placed in a little container of water to dissolve.

    https://spiritdaily.org/blog/news/archdiocese-says-bacteria-caused-eucharistic-miracle

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/262927/indianapolis-archdiocese-lab-results-indicate-discolored-host-was-not-miraculous

    So the one from the Archdiocese of Indianapolis was actually tested, and they found that the red marks were caused by bacteria.  That's actually what the colleagues of that female "scientist" in Poland suggested for those "miracles" as well ... but they were drowned out by those who "want to believe".

    Online Giovanni Berto

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    Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
    « Reply #1 on: March 25, 2025, 11:54:41 AM »
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  • Good catch.

    I am glad that they were not deliberate. At least people were not acting in bad faith.


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    Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
    « Reply #2 on: March 25, 2025, 12:12:14 PM »
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  • And don't forget the man who started it all: Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the first non-priest to usurp the Papacy.

    https://www.magiscenter.com/blog/the-eucharistic-miracle-pope-francis

    Here is the important thing. The reason these Novus Ordo "Eucharistic Miracles" are pushed so hard by the Bergoglianos is that some people correctly doubt the validity of the Novus Ordo Eucharists.

    The Eucharistic Sacrifice requires matter, form, and intention of a valid Priest.  These fake Eucharistic "miracles" are the counter-narrative to contradict what we all know on Cathinfo: that one of the reasons the Novus Ordo "Eucharists" are invalid (nothing but a wheat thin) is because the presiders are not real Priests.

    Interestingly, this debate over the validity or invalidity of the Eucharistic Sacrifice was pre-figured in the story of Elijah in his competition with the "false prophets of Baal" on Mount Carmel [3 Kings, chapter 18]. The false prophets were unable to make "fire come down from heaven" which proved that they were "false prophets." Again, the issue was not the ceremony or the offering, specifically. The issue was the "priest" offering the sacrifice. Elijah was a true priest, chosen by God.

    Bergoglio, the Antichrist, tries to perform a magic trick with his fake Eucharistic Miracles. Through a kind of ecclesiastical sleight of hand, Bergoglio makes it appear as if the Novus Ordo Eucharists are acceptable to God and are offered by real Priests. This magic trick is referred to in Apocalypse 13:13:

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    13 And he did great signs, so that he made also fire to come down from heaven unto the earth in the sight of men.

    In other words, the false prophets in the end times will appear to do what Jezebel's false prophets could not do. This is what the Bergoglioan obsession with Novus Ordo Eucharistic Miracles is all about. This is why the teenager Carlo Acutis is being made a "fake saint" by the "fake Pope." And it is why it is so harmful to Catholic souls, if their leaders say that the false Novus Ordo presbyters confect the true Eucharist, as the SSPX, for example, states over and over.

    The New Rite non-priests cannot confect a true Eucharist. It is impossible for them to do it, even if they say the TLM. Therefore, in the ceremonies that they preside over, they are not offering Jesus Christ to God the Father. They are offering mere bread and wine, the fruits of the earth, the works of human hands. The New Rite priest offers the sacrifice that Cain offered, the one that was displeasing to God.
     

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    Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
    « Reply #3 on: March 25, 2025, 12:50:34 PM »
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  • This magic trick is referred to in Apocalypse 13:13:

    In other words, the false prophets in the end times will appear to do what Jezebel's false prophets could not do. 

    Nice insight. 

    They will have some deceived, in believing that God is with them, as he is with his true prophets. 
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
    « Reply #4 on: January 31, 2026, 07:01:58 PM »
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  • So here's one that US scientists have debunked, and you'll notice the uncanny similarity betweeh this one and BOTH the alleged Polish ones.  In ALL 3 CASES, the "Host" had been dropped onto the floor, and then later placed in a little container of water to dissolve.

    https://spiritdaily.org/blog/news/archdiocese-says-bacteria-caused-eucharistic-miracle

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/262927/indianapolis-archdiocese-lab-results-indicate-discolored-host-was-not-miraculous

    So the one from the Archdiocese of Indianapolis was actually tested, and they found that the red marks were caused by bacteria.  That's actually what the colleagues of that female "scientist" in Poland suggested for those "miracles" as well ... but they were drowned out by those who "want to believe".
    I always assume all NO 'miracles' are from the devil as the new rites are doubtful and therefore must be treated as invalid. I can see no logical reason for them other than keeping people in the NO religion and making them think the new rites are ok.


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    Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
    « Reply #5 on: February 01, 2026, 01:00:53 AM »
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  • Not that this is my personal stance, but in the east bleeding hosts or hosts turning into flesh are generally considered a bad omen usually due to lack of faith. It is seen as a punishment or a warning, a bad thing rather than a good thing. 
    St. Joseph Terror of Demons, pray for us! 

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    Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
    « Reply #6 on: February 01, 2026, 12:40:04 PM »
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  • Please apply some logic here. Abp Lefebvre did not believe that all New Masses were invalid. Consequently some (possiblye very few) are valid. If valid, they have a valid consecration so these could be the hosts on which the Good Lord performs a miracle. I do not claim to know His Mind, unlike many on here, but it seems clear that He performs these miracles to wake up Conciliar Catholics to treat the consecrated hosts with respect still. 

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    Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
    « Reply #7 on: February 01, 2026, 04:21:35 PM »
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  • Please apply some logic here. Abp Lefebvre did not believe that all New Masses were invalid. Consequently some (possiblye very few) are valid. If valid, they have a valid consecration so these could be the hosts on which the Good Lord performs a miracle. I do not claim to know His Mind, unlike many on here, but it seems clear that He performs these miracles to wake up Conciliar Catholics to treat the consecrated hosts with respect still.
    From what I understand the new mass wasn't an immediate change, but they slowly changed things over the years. Also some believe the new rite for priests is valid provided the bishop is a traditional ordained bishop. There is also an issue with the NO using the term "for all" rather than "for many".


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    Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
    « Reply #8 on: February 01, 2026, 10:23:30 PM »
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  • I always assume all NO 'miracles' are from the devil as the new rites are doubtful and therefore must be treated as invalid. I can see no logical reason for them other than keeping people in the NO religion and making them think the new rites are ok.

    Of course.  I've said this from the beginning.  Please explain what would prevent the devil from simulating a Eucharistic miracle.  If God permitted it, the devil could simply obtain some human flesh and swap a little piece of the bread out for it.  At one point, in the case of the one nun during the Middle Ages who had everyone fooled, the devil even simulated a "virgin birth".

    That's why the Church has NEVER based theology in "miracles" or "private revelations", but the other way around.  If something fails a theological standard, it's rejected by the Church immediately without any further investigation required.

    Let's say the New Mass is invalid.  Wouldn't the devil do whatever he could to make people think it was valid?  Absolutely he would.

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    Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
    « Reply #9 on: February 01, 2026, 10:24:58 PM »
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  • Please apply some logic here. Abp Lefebvre did not believe that all New Masses were invalid.

    Please ... tell me you're joking.  Your logic is ... "muh Lefebvre didn't think they were all invalid."  That's your syllogism or whatever, your "logic"?  Is he your rule of faith or something?  Toward the end, he did say that all NO Sacraments should be considered highly doubtful.

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    Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
    « Reply #10 on: February 01, 2026, 10:27:27 PM »
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  • From what I understand the new mass wasn't an immediate change, but they slowly changed things over the years. Also some believe the new rite for priests is valid provided the bishop is a traditional ordained bishop. There is also an issue with the NO using the term "for all" rather than "for many".

    I used think that New Rite of Orders MIGHT be valid, but after reading Apostolicae Curae, it's impossible to come to any conclusion other than that the New Rite of Ordination is invalid, even if a valid bishop confers it, and that the New Mass is invalid, even WITH the "for many" put back in.  NOM's invalidity comes from the non-Catholic Offertory.  It's the Offertory that determines the intention of the Holy Sacrifice, and according to the Bogus Ordo "Offertory", the intention is to offer the "fruit of the earth", and not the Spotless Victim, aka Our Lord.  I'll give you one guess how much value some bread and wine have in the eyes of God.


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    Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
    « Reply #11 on: February 02, 2026, 08:07:58 AM »
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  • In Fr. Cekada's tome Work of Human Hands, I believe he mentioned the Offertory for the New Order is actually a joo ish dinner prayer - who woulda thought?  Of course, the main architect in all of it was Bugnini, a legit Freemason and, along with the six Protestant ministers brought in as 'observers', plus all the other New Theology clowns involved, well, it smells like something just ain't kosher with that thing.  It's almost like it was designed to destroy the faith of believers everywhere. lol

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    Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
    « Reply #12 on: February 02, 2026, 10:17:03 AM »
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  • In Fr. Cekada's tome Work of Human Hands, I believe he mentioned the Offertory for the New Order is actually a joo ish dinner prayer - who woulda thought?  Of course, the main architect in all of it was Bugnini, a legit Freemason and, along with the six Protestant ministers brought in as 'observers', plus all the other New Theology clowns involved, well, it smells like something just ain't kosher with that thing.  It's almost like it was designed to destroy the faith of believers everywhere. lol

    So, that's been pointed out for a long time, but Father Cekada concludes that the NOM has no Offertory.  That's actually not quite correct.  It has no CATHOLIC Offertory for sure.

    Here's the issue with the Mass.  Once you get into the Canon, there can be a few different ways to interpret what's going on.  Is this merely a re-enactment, play-acting?  Is it merely a meal held in commemoration, where as part of it we "do this in memory of" Christ, but the essence of it is in our re-enacting of it?

    In the Traditional Mass, the Offertory explains (and therefore sets the intention of the Rite) by indicating that we are offering the Spotless Victim in reparation for our sins.  In the Novus Ordo we're offering bread and wine so that they can become a spiritual food and drink.  There's no offering of Christ to God the Fathers ... but bread and wine being offered to God for ... ???

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    Re: NO Eucharistic Miracles?
    « Reply #13 on: February 03, 2026, 09:00:54 PM »
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  • [A]fter reading Apostolicae Curae, it's impossible to come to any conclusion other than that the New Rite of Ordination is invalid, even if a valid bishop confers it, and that the New Mass is invalid, even WITH the "for many" put back in. 

    Yup.  The End.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."