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Offline Centroamerica

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Re: End to the State of Necessity
« Reply #135 on: Yesterday at 04:08:39 PM »
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  • Skid Low,

    I think you’re right. I knew you were right. I just wanted to see it articulated. I’ll gladly go back to what I was doing before this post. None of these topics are of serious importance to me. 
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    Re: End to the State of Necessity
    « Reply #136 on: Yesterday at 04:13:24 PM »
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  • Be specific. Are you claiming that the CCEO 671 is a denial of the dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and that the Byzantine Church defected from the Faith when this was published?

    That distinction is really the only objection you can make. But it requires you to interpret their law and show how it is applied by them in a way that supports your conclusions. Otherwise, you can only say that the Byzantine Church has preserved the True Faith. You could say it hasn’t, but it wouldn’t make you a good Catholic.

    Maybe if you do that, you should apply for a job at the Vatican (or Menzingen or wherever others like you go).
    It's the same denial of EENS as V2.  The Byzantine Church has been modernized, same as the latin church (i.e. non Traditional).  That canon, as worded, is heretical.


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    Re: End to the State of Necessity
    « Reply #137 on: Yesterday at 04:18:40 PM »
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  • Skid Low,

    I think you’re right. I knew you were right. I just wanted to see it articulated. I’ll gladly go back to what I was doing before this post. None of these topics are of serious importance to me.
    I had a feeling.

    But you just made my day, I am glad for you. 

    God bless. 

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    Re: End to the State of Necessity
    « Reply #138 on: Yesterday at 04:19:31 PM »
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  • That does not make the Byzantine Church heretical; it just means modern authorities codified a bad discipline and promoted bad theology in official texts.

    :laugh1:  Now you sound just like latin-indulters, who defend new-rome from Trads.

    Satan (and his minions) infiltrated the Church and started V2.  Do you really think they are THAT DUMB as to leave a huge chunk of eastern catholics with PURE Faith, and without pushing the same modernism on them?  Of course, they are going to push modernism everywhere.

    The idea that there is some utopia of catholicism, in a mainstream way, in the world, is a fantasy.

    Catholicism. is. under. attack. everywhere.  We are ALL underground.  Any "mainstream" church is infiltrated. 



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    Re: End to the State of Necessity
    « Reply #139 on: Yesterday at 04:34:31 PM »
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  • :laugh1:  Now you sound just like latin-indulters, who defend new-rome from Trads.

    Satan (and his minions) infiltrated the Church and started V2.  Do you really think they are THAT DUMB as to leave a huge chunk of eastern catholics with PURE Faith, and without pushing the same modernism on them?  Of course, they are going to push modernism everywhere.

    The idea that there is some utopia of catholicism, in a mainstream way, in the world, is a fantasy.

    Catholicism. is. under. attack. everywhere.  We are ALL underground.  Any "mainstream" church is infiltrated.

    I think you’re right. And I have every reason I need to never go back to a Byzantine Liturgy. 
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    Re: End to the State of Necessity
    « Reply #140 on: Yesterday at 04:40:21 PM »
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  • I, for one, would very much appreciate ElwinRansom's take on the matter. He seems very knowledgeable about the Eastern Churches, or at least more so than any of us
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: End to the State of Necessity
    « Reply #141 on: Yesterday at 05:23:43 PM »
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  • Bringing up the CCEO was great. I tried to find the SSPX reference of that in my library but couldn’t. It wasn’t in the “Catechism of the Crisis in the Faith” or any of my other SSPX sources. I think the actual SSPX reference is from the Angelus. 

    The Byzantine Catechism was missed. It’s called Christ Our Pascha. And it was the stronger argument by far. 
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...