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Offline Fanny

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Re: NFP Thought
« Reply #90 on: February 05, 2018, 05:57:18 PM »
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  • Many of the protestants I know are WAY more open to the truth than novus ordo catholics.  Our priest has a steady stream of non-catholics who want to convert and take classes.  And many of them have married trads with no issues.
    I've also seen may trad marriages fall apart as well as novus ordo 'converts' who didn't last.  It really depends on the person, not the 'group' they came from.
    Which is why it is so important for a young man or woman to have advice from his parents and a good confessor.  

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    Re: NFP Thought
    « Reply #91 on: February 05, 2018, 07:23:42 PM »
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  • How does a person who does not know something, know if a confessor is giving good advice?


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    Re: NFP Thought
    « Reply #92 on: February 05, 2018, 09:05:20 PM »
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  • How does a person who does not know something, know if a confessor is giving good advice?
     Confessor AND parents.

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    Re: NFP Thought
    « Reply #93 on: February 05, 2018, 11:44:52 PM »
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  • How does a person who does not know something, know if a confessor is giving good advice?
    This is why it is so important for parents to instill a good moral compass and a well formed conscience in their children.

    Offline Marlelar

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    Re: NFP Thought
    « Reply #94 on: February 06, 2018, 12:01:19 AM »
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  • As I posted in another thread, someone once said  Be kind, for everyone is fighting a battle you know nothing about.  This would be good to keep in mind when presuming to judge someone who either is using NFP, or you assume is using it.

    We should educate our young couples about why NFP is undesirable and discouraged, but some couples may have valid reasons to space their children and no one but their confessor can judge the validity of that reason.


    Offline Maria Regina

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    Re: NFP Thought
    « Reply #95 on: February 06, 2018, 12:15:57 AM »
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  • I am sure that St. James in his Epistle, which "encourages us to lead others to the Holy Faith, and thus, save our souls and theirs in the process" was not talking about Marriage to non-Catholics as a means to convert them. He was just talking about the general zeal we should all have, of converting sinners and proclaiming the Gospel. That does not mean to marry them.  The priest was plain wrong on that advice.

    Addendum from the 1958 Penny Catechism
      
    Q.Has the Church always forbidden mixed marriages?
    A.The Church has always forbidden mixed marriages and considers them unlawful and pernicious.
    Q.Does the Church sometimes permit mixed marriages?
    A.The Church sometimes permits mixed marriages granting a dispensation, for very grave reasons and under special conditions.
    I never said that a Catholic should marry a non-Catholic. I never said that my priest was encouraging people to marry Protestants. In fact, it was the opposite as he told me that if I had wanted to marry a Protestant, he would not have agreed to celebrate the marriage.

    My priest was adamant against marrying a couple who were not Catholic. The nuptial mass was only celebrated IF the couple marrying were both Catholic. 

    In fact, my priest became the confessor of my husband and heard his very first confession and subsequent confessions before our wedding.He was convinced of my husband's genuine faith, and he approved of our marriage.

    I do not know what the Novus Ordo is doing now, but I have heard that Protestants (the Protestant spouse of the newly wedded and all non-Catholic wedding guests) are all being given communion during the Nuptial Mass if they approach the altar for communion.  I no longer believe that the Novus Ordo communion is valid. Indeed, all who approach communion at Novus Ordo masses are rarely refused except in rare cases if they are public staunch supporters of abortions. Even then, some well known pro-abortion politicians are still being given communion.

    What is the SPPX doing now? Have they capitulated to the Vatican II Church and are they now communing non-Catholic spouses and non-Catholic guests at Nuptial Masses?

    We cannot take our faith for granted.

    I have known some Catholic spouses who have left the Holy Faith. If the husband left Catholicism, generally his children would follow him. Young ladies should be very careful before they fall in love with anyone who is weak in the faith. Sadly, my dad was weak in the faith, and of five children of which I am the oldest, I am the only one left who is still a practicing Catholic. All the rest are now Protestant.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: NFP Thought
    « Reply #96 on: February 06, 2018, 12:16:44 AM »
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  • NFP is not natural, and it is a form of birth control.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: NFP Thought
    « Reply #97 on: February 06, 2018, 12:38:14 AM »
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  •  of five children of which I am the oldest, I am the only one left who is still a practicing Catholic. All the rest are now Protestant.
    Maybe you all were what you called "beautiful young ladies" and what I called "liberally dressed"?


    Offline MaterDominici

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    Re: NFP Thought
    « Reply #98 on: February 06, 2018, 12:41:16 AM »
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  • Fanny,

    I asked you if you had a father to advise you. I received no response.

    Now I ask, do you have any children, young men, young women?
    My guess is "B". She references parental advice / authority repeatedly here ... no teenagers are that insistent. : )

    Offline Fanny

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    Re: NFP Thought
    « Reply #99 on: February 06, 2018, 12:55:24 AM »
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  • My guess is "B". She references parental advice / authority repeatedly here ... no teenagers are that insistent. : )
    Or "c":
    The question wasn't directed to you, it is wrong of you to presume and attempt to answer for me, and I may choose not to answer personal questions.

    Offline Maria Regina

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    Re: NFP Thought
    « Reply #100 on: February 06, 2018, 12:56:33 AM »
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  • Maybe you all were what you called "beautiful young ladies" and what I called "liberally dressed"?
    There is a distinction.

    Being "liberally dressed" and being obsessed with beauty and showing off that beauty are both forms of vanity, and a man who marries a vain woman will have heart aches.

    We are to care for our bodies, but we also must beware of vanity and selfish pride. This is the hard part, but with the practice of continual prayer and the awareness of the presence of God within us, we can practice modesty and prevent vanity from establishing itself in our soul.  Once vanity and pride have been established in our souls, the help of a good confessor is essential to overcome these sins.

    Through the reception of the Holy Sacraments, our bodies become temples of the Holy Spirit. Thus, it is important to dress and to behave appropriately so that those who meet us are truly edified and blessed in our presence.

    Beautiful women are those who are sound in body, mind, and soul. Liberally dressed women are in need of repentance, for often, they know not what they do.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: NFP Thought
    « Reply #101 on: February 06, 2018, 01:26:13 AM »
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  • There is a distinction.
    No kidding.  That was my point to you.

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    Re: NFP Thought
    « Reply #102 on: February 13, 2018, 01:17:42 PM »
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  • This is interesting when it comes to what I said about how it NFP is not acceptable, then intended childless marriages must be acceptable.  


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    Re: NFP Thought
    « Reply #103 on: February 14, 2018, 01:11:32 PM »
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  • "Learn a lesson from the fig tree."  If you pay attention, you will notice that "two consenting adults" is the necessary criteria for liberals to determine what is moral and what is not moral.  But, at the same time, they do not want to be "judgmental".  You can see this when you study the scene where immorality is taken to the fringe.  And, that in this case will be the situation of incest.  What do liberals think of incest?  What do average beach goers in san diego think about incest?  Most of them have a gut reaction against incest.  But, when pressed and exploited by their "principles", you will see that they in the end up easily flip flopping and accepting incest.  All of this can occur in a matter of seconds.  

    Now, are catholics being infected with this "two consenting adults" mentality when it comes to allowing sin in the sacrament of marriage?  At least pre vatican 2 the one to "judge" or potentially hold it back was a priest(if strong).  Now it is just the couple who are to "judge" the gravity of their situation which would allow for NFP/Rythm observance.  However, take note that all of these liberals and run of the mill Californians avoid being "judgmental" at all costs.  I think it is telling us something.  Married couple are not gifted with the charism of "moral judgment", as the rythm observance now implies.  Is there a connection?  Remember, in order to get married, you both have to consent to all the catholic church teaches about marriage(particularly the marital debt).  What the church teaches determines marriage.  The behavior of married couples does not determine what the church teaches as modern trends might suggest.  

    If catholics do not see and react properly to this, we will have a repeat of adam and eve.  Marriage will not save us.  The same applies to the sacrament of orders.  These priests will be cast out.  This has already occurred to a large extent.  


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    Re: NFP Thought
    « Reply #104 on: February 14, 2018, 01:20:33 PM »
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  • This is interesting when it comes to what I said about how it NFP is not acceptable, then intended childless marriages must be acceptable.  



    What a HORRIFIC response.  He's confusing not having the intention to have children (negatively) with positively intending NOT to have children.

    :facepalm: