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Offline Everlast22

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Re: NFP: grave sin yet promoted by Paul VI
« Reply #55 on: March 05, 2024, 10:31:17 AM »
Quote from: Yeti on March 05, 2024, 10:25:16 AM
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Pope Pius XII explained it to you already. Actually, you don't need it explained to you anyway; the pope doesn't owe you an explanation; he only must tell you what you must believe, and you must believe his teaching.

If you accept both Pius XI and Pius XII as true popes, then you cannot accept that one contradicted the other on a universal teaching of faith or morals. And you cannot say they failed, either, without denying the indefectibility of the Chuch.
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Offline Marulus Fidelis

Re: NFP: grave sin yet promoted by Paul VI
« Reply #56 on: March 05, 2024, 10:43:21 AM »
Quote from: Yeti on March 05, 2024, 10:25:16 AM
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Pope Pius XII explained it to you already. Actually, you don't need it explained to you anyway; the pope doesn't owe you an explanation; he only must tell you what you must believe, and you must believe his teaching.

If you accept both Pius XI and Pius XII as true popes, then you cannot accept that one contradicted the other on a universal teaching of faith or morals. And you cannot say they failed, either, without denying the indefectibility of the Chuch.
You're a liar. You know the speech to midwives isn't infallible yet you're treating it like it is.

The fact that none of you can give a plausible explanation of Casti Connubii is a as good as an admission that it contradicts your position.

The truth is the you worship man, putting fallible men's opinions over the voice of God speaking through the Magisterium.

The issue is crystal-clear. Pius XII was wrong and ill-informed, just like when he said the Earth could be (or is, I forget) billions of years old. Both times he contradicted Tradition and the Magisterium, but NOT pertinaciously and NOT as supreme Pastor of all Christians.

What would you have believed after CC and before Pius XII's speech?

Explain to us how NFP does not subordinate the primary end of marriage to the secondary end or ADMIT that it does, because that's THE WHOLE POINT OF NFP.
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Offline Everlast22

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Re: NFP: grave sin yet promoted by Paul VI
« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2024, 10:50:59 AM »
Quote from: Marulus Fidelis on March 05, 2024, 10:43:21 AM
You're a liar. You know the speech to midwives isn't infallible yet you're treating it like it is.

The fact that none of you can give a plausible explanation of Casti Connubii is a as good as an admission that it contradicts your position.

The truth is the you worship man, putting fallible men's opinions over the voice of God speaking through the Magisterium.

The issue is crystal-clear. Pius XII was wrong and ill-informed, just like when he said the Earth could be (or is, I forget) billions of years old. Both times he contradicted Tradition and the Magisterium, but NOT pertinaciously and NOT as supreme Pastor of all Christians.

What would you have believed after CC and before Pius XII's speech?

Explain to us how NFP does not subordinate the primary end of marriage to the secondary end or ADMIT that it does, because that's THE WHOLE POINT OF NFP.
Okay in charity I only responded to him with "k." I hope I'm not the only one (looks like I'm not) who thinks that response was a tad low IQ. 
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Offline Marulus Fidelis

Re: NFP: grave sin yet promoted by Paul VI
« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2024, 10:53:44 AM »
NFP believers do you also follow Pope Pius XII's "infallible proclamation" that the Earth is billions of years old:

Pius XII, Speech To Pontifical Academy Of Sciences, Nov. 2, 1951: "... the work of the omnipotent Creator, Whose power, aroused by the mighty ‘fiat’ pronounced billions of years ago by the Creative Spirit, unfolded itself in the universe and, with a gesture of generous love, called into existence matter, fraught with energy."

Pius XII, Speech To Pontifical Academy Of Sciences, Nov. 2, 1951: "Thus this energy, in the course of billions of years, is slowly but irreparably transformed into radiation."

Pius XII, Speech To Pontifical Academy Of Sciences, Nov. 2, 1951: "In the course of billions of years, even the quantity of atomic nuclei, which is apparently inexhaustible, loses its utilisable energy and matter approaches, to speak figuratively, the state of a spent and wasted volcano." (https://inters.org/pius-xii-speech-1952-proofs-god)

Or are you hypocrites?
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Offline Marulus Fidelis

Re: NFP: grave sin yet promoted by Paul VI
« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2024, 10:55:23 AM »
Quote from: Everlast22 on March 05, 2024, 10:50:59 AM
Okay in charity I only responded to him with "k." I hope I'm not the only one (looks like I'm not) who thinks that response was a tad low IQ.
Caritas in veritatis. He is excusing grave sin even though faced with clear magisterial teaching against it.

The greatest charity is to do whatever necessary to convince him to reject this grave error.
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