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Offline Everlast22

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Re: NFP: grave sin yet promoted by Paul VI
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2024, 09:29:49 AM »
If Castii Canubi is a magisterial teaching, (which I believe it to be) then NFP is something a Catholic cannot/should not implement.

Now if Castii Canubi is NOT a magisterial teaching, I would still say NFP is something a Catholic cannot/should not implement. 

With this very serious issue, I will bank on the option that forces me to cultivate virtue. I truly believe it's as simple as that. I am not smart as you guys with the theology, I'm simply just not, so I will yield to what the Church fathers and natural law taught/teaches. 
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Offline Matthew

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Re: NFP: grave sin yet promoted by Paul VI
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2024, 09:37:39 AM »
I still think the Crisis in the Church is BEST dealt with by Traditional Catholicism -- non-Sedevacantist variety.
I'm still convinced that Sedevacantism is as useless as tits on a bull. Especially due to what Fr. Cekada and other dogmatic types have turned it into. Just another point of division, "Rah rah my team".

How about leave the Pope question as a point of personal opinion and speculation -- WHERE IT BELONGS?

We have to trust in God; He will see us through this great Crisis in the Church. There are many mysteries in the meantime. Mysteries I will respect and not attempt to plumb.
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Offline Crayolcold

Re: NFP: grave sin yet promoted by Paul VI
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2024, 09:47:30 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on March 05, 2024, 09:14:21 AM
YES, when something isn't traditional, it's common sense that Trads can KNOW this, and act upon it. I feel like I'm talking to a novus ordo Catholic here. It's not rocket science, nor does it mean we're being too picky. When something goes against the Faith, YES that can be known by a layman. It's pretty clear cut.

You just put the nail in the coffin for NFP. It doesn’t take seven years of moral theology to see that NFP isn’t Catholic. All it takes is being honest with your conscience and reading two lines of Casti Connubii. So by your own logic you contradict Fr. Cekada.

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Subjective judgment that this-or-that is not Traditional and I must disobey -- that's a matter of PRUDENCE which affects only me, and maybe my children. You're talking about one's private judgment or understanding being enough to condemn others like a literal Pope making a pronouncement. You can't bind or compel others because you UNDERSTAND this or that to be true, or you FEEL this goes against Tradition.

SO, when talking about our fallible perception or knowledge...

Good enough to exercise the virtue of Prudence, to decide a personal course of action? Yes.
Good enough to bind others' consciences or condemn others? No.



Also, let’s not pretend that going through seminary automatically makes you a genius on moral theology. Ladislaus is probably more well studied on questions and controversies in the Faith than 95% of trad priests, so to act like his (correct) position on NFP can be written off because he didn’t get a sticker from his SSPX theology professor is silly. Your argument from authority just doesn’t stand. There could be one lone voice crying out in wilderness that NFP is wrong, against all V2 “theologians”, and he would still be correct. Nobody cares about Fr. Cekada’s “lay pope.” Explain to us how NFP does not subordinate the primary end of marriage to the secondary end.
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Offline Mark 79

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Re: NFP: grave sin yet promoted by Paul VI
« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2024, 09:48:36 AM »
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Offline Yeti

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Re: NFP: grave sin yet promoted by Paul VI
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2024, 09:49:30 AM »
Quote from: Everlast22 on March 05, 2024, 09:29:49 AM
If Castii Canubi is a magisterial teaching, (which I believe it to be) then NFP is something a Catholic cannot/should not implement.

Now if Castii Canubi is NOT a magisterial teaching, I would still say NFP is something a Catholic cannot/should not implement.

With this very serious issue, I will bank on the option that forces me to cultivate virtue. I truly believe it's as simple as that. I am not smart as you guys with the theology, I'm simply just not, so I will yield to what the Church fathers and natural law taught/teaches.
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There's a third possibility, which is that you misunderstand Casti Connubii.

And consider this -- if Pope Pius XII contradicted Pope Pius XI on a matter of faith and morals in a public teaching to the whole Church, then the Church has failed.
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