Author Topic: Newchurch "canonization" (Read 558 times)

Stephen Francis · « **on:** June 13, 2013, 07:23:28 AM »

So, Newpopes who are not even Catholic cannot canonize anyone. That being said, I'm wondering about those Catholics who lived and died before the errors of Vat2. If someone lived their life entirely within the fold of the Church and there has been an investigation into their sanctity, isn't it at least possible that such a person is worthy of veneration and devotion and emulation? Wouldn't it be a good thing to invoke their intercession even if a Newpope is unable to truly raise them to the altars?

I think of people like Padre Pio, who has been recognized by Newchurch, but also people like Solanus Casey, who I believe is recognized as 'venerable' but not yet as a canonized saint.

It's difficult these days to even consider who from the past might be truly saintly, since the entire machinery of investigation and approbation is under the control of heretics.

Just wondering if any of you recognize as saints anyone who may have been declared so by Newchurch, or in spite of that recognition.

Holy saints and Apostles, pray for us.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #1 on:** June 13, 2013, 11:48:31 AM »

I think Padre Pio is a Saint, no doubt. Whether his Canonization was validly performed may be open to debate amongst sedevacantists.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #2 on:** June 13, 2013, 01:00:49 PM »

True saints will still be saints regardless of who canonizes them.

This will all have to come out in the wash at a much, much later date.

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #3 on:** June 13, 2013, 01:03:57 PM »

I said a long time ago and will say again that Wojtyla couldn't have avoided the recognition of Padre Pio as a saint any more than you can avoid getting wet while swimming.

Whether or not Wojtyla was able to perform a canonization is immaterial; I believe St. Pio to be a prophetic figure. He was alive both before and after the robber Council, and one of the last clergy to demonstrate the difference between true Catholic sanctity and the ecuмenical, indifferent attitude of the typical Newchurch preest.

There have been others (DePauw, +Lefebvre, etc) but rarely has someone in this modern era had a sanctity so marked by glorious evidences of God's supernatural approval.

Time will tell whether any of the most modern/recent traditional Catholic believers will have demonstrated heroic sanctity, but if anyone does, they will have St. Pio's example to live up to.

St. Pio, pray for us.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #4 on:** June 13, 2013, 02:26:27 PM »

St. Padro Pio could have waited for his canonization.

Didn't Pope St. Pius V take 147 years before he was canonized?

Didn't St Louis de Montford take almost 300 years before he was canonized?

Let's never forget that the reason for the speedy canonizations is because, unlike Paul VI, Pope John Paul II knew that the hoi polloi wanted some saints so he was quick to give 'em phony new ones to replace the holy old ones.

I apologize for any true saints who happened to be canonized by JPII.

Matto · « **Reply #5 on:** June 13, 2013, 02:30:28 PM »

I do not know what to think about the new canonizations. I know that if they canonize Paul VI, I won't believe it. Let's hope that never happens.

Napoli · « **Reply #6 on:** June 13, 2013, 02:31:26 PM »

It's almost as if they are canonizing in a hurry because they know that they only have a limited time. This new church has to know that the day of reckoning is at hand. So, they continue there agenda of trying to legitimise there quasi faith.

God have Mercy on us!

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #7 on:** June 13, 2013, 02:44:11 PM »

JP II's saint factory was to replace the saints that Catholics had venerated for centuries. Paul VI tried to do away, by means of neglect, the concept of the communion of the saints. JP II first tried to do away with devotion to the Holy Rosary by ordering the superior generals of seminarians to punish seminarians who prayed the Holy Rosary. I deduced this information from Fr. Z's website where Fr. Z talked of the bad days in the seminary back in the 80's when seminarians were being strictly punished for praying the rosary. The seminaries of the 80's were trying to turn out squishy presiders who would never encourage the rosary.

After a while, this technique proved a waste of time so JPII added his own mysteries to the Rosary. His philosophy was one of "If you can't get em to put down their rosaries, get 'em to pray some phony mysteries". That was why, in 2002, JP II started turning into an indecipherable blob.