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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: romantheology on October 27, 2011, 11:34:09 AM
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Br. Andre Marie (New Hampshire) states in this video (starting at 1:56 minutes) that it is possible a Roman Pontiff and be Pope and a Freemason at the same time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzNg-qg1V0Q
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And we should listen to Bro. Andre Marie? Why?
I must have missed the memo where Youtube has been declared part of the magisterium.
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Right... here's a much better video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=8KSP6NOAMwA
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Yeah. Only, no.
Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and participation in it have been solemnly condemned in no uncertain terms by Pope Clement XII.
Pope St. Pius X, pray for us.
Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon.
Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
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Indeed, Pope Clement XII refutes this Bro. Andre Marie guy.
POPE CLEMENT XII (1738) - 'In Eminenti' : "We have resolved and decreed to condemn and forbid such Societies, assemblies, reunions, conventions, aggregations or meetings called either Freemasonic or known under some other denomination. WE CONDEMN AND FORBID THEM BY THIS, OUR PRESENT CONSTITUTION, WHICH IS TO BE CONSIDERED VALID FOREVER."
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Thanks as I try to understand this, however, Clement does not declare those (outside) the Church who do not deny Dogma however yet belong or associate with Freemasons, or am I missing something?
In Charity, Long Live Blessed Pope John Paul II.
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John Paul II was a heretic. Did you ever see his decree that the Catholics and Protestants should get together and make a new Bible?
Back to the original topic, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is condemned by the Catholic Church, because Masonry is a form of satan worship. Therefore, a Freemason cannot be elected Pope.
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Canon 2335 Those who join a Masonic sect or other societies of the same sort, which plot against the Church or against legitimate civil authority, incur ipso facto an excommunication simply reserved to the Holy See.
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John Paul 2 -- anti-pope.
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Wojtyla thought that Christ-denying, Holy-Trinity-hating Jews are our 'elder brothers' in some sort of wishy-washy 'faith' of his liberal imagination.
Wojtyla allowed pagan idols to be brought into Catholic churches, and his 'blessed' Agnes-Teresa of Calcutta has been photographed kneeling before idols as well. He was a heretic and a friend of heretics.
I do not know, because I am a mortal man, where he is right now, but I certainly DO know what the Church says about his kind, because both Scripture and the Magisterium are crystal-clear.
RE: the original point of this thread, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is Satanic and no one who participates in it may be considered part of the Church. Anyone who joins Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ knowing what the Church teaches about it is in mortal sin and in danger of Hell.
Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon.
Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
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Why have not Sedevacantists elected a Pope? They have no problem making bishops. Curious? Anyone in charity?
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Those are conclavists. No one here believes in electing their own Pope.
No response to our refuation of this Bro Marie guy?
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@romantheology:
YOU'RE not even asking 'in charity', so why ask FOR a charitable response?
You obviously don't know anything about how a Pope is elected, or by whom. A Pope is elected by the College of Cardinals, not by just any group that decides there needs to be a new Pope.
'Sedevacantists' don't NEED to elect a Pope; there WAS a Pope, Pius XII, until he died (eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord, and may perpetual light shine upon him). There are those who believe that the Church is in a period of interregnum.
Others believe that these last few claimants may or may not have been validly elected, but that they abdicated their authority by dint of the commission of heresy. Canon Law states that a manifest heretic cannot be Pope. It is crystal-clear that John XXIII was a Freemason, Paul VI promulgated an illegal and invalid missal (along with other heretical products of the Council), John Paul I did nothing to change or abjure the sins of his predecessors, and John Paul II and Ratzinger have done more to besmirch the Church's name than anyone in history.
Right now, there are thousands upon thousands of people worldwide who are simply praying, receiving the Sacraments and upholding Tradition, just as their forebears did, and neither turning a blind eye to facts, as you have, nor inventing new groups and cults to belong to, as the home-aloners and Dimond 'monks' have done.
Deo volente, we will have a new Pope soon, and God will restore the reputation of His Bride, whom these criminal perverts have tried to rape and kill. They will fail; Our Lady will see to that.
Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon.
Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
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Hi Stephen Francis, do you speak and write in Latin? In addition, have you take the requirements for Philosophy and Theology? Lastly, what is your Authority to teach on these matters?
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EDIT: I'm not going to get into this; THAT would be uncharitable.
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God Bless You Stephen Francis!
I wish you well in Charity and Peace in the Spirit of Blessed Pope John Paul II.
All the best.
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That's like wishing someone peace in the spirit of the Dalai Lama.
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I noticed you're busy over at FE as well... interesting.
By the way, you can keep your 'spirit of Wojtyla'; I have no use for it or for him. It simply breaks my heart that millions of Catholics and millions of non-Catholics alike had to suffer through the embarrassment of his term, not to mention the consequential difficulties the faithful are now facing because of his actions.
Wojtyla did more by his words, actions and statements to turn people away from the true Faith than anyone I can think of who isn't a Protestant. I pity you in your allegiance to his sins.
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Well does not certain Popes and Vatican II and Bishop Leferve, CMRI, SSPX, Bishop Mark Pivarunas, Bishop Mckenna, Bishop Kelly, SSPV
Teach (salvation outside the Church)? I guess you could be with Blessed John Paul II too! Hey maybe even good olde Pope Paul VI.
I love you and wish you the best.
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Well does not certain Popes and Vatican II and Bishop Leferve, CMRI, SSPX, Bishop Mark Pivarunas, Bishop Mckenna, Bishop Kelly, SSPV Teach (salvation outside the Church)? I guess you could be with Blessed John Paul II too! Hey maybe even good olde Pope Paul VI.
Are you affiliated with Richard Ibranyi?
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Huh? You referring to me? I don't know who that is.
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The question you asked Stephen, is that something you believe personally, or are you inferring that he believes so? I've never read a post where he stated such a thing.
Do you accept Vatican II, romantheology?
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic when you call John Paul II "Blessed", or when you refer to them as popes.
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The CMRI and SSPX have never, to my knowledge, taught salvation outside the Catholic Church (Bishop Fellay has, but he's not as Traditional as the other three Society Bishops or Archbishop LeFebvre).
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ABL wrote:
"The doctrine of the Church also recognizes implicit baptism of desire. This consists in doing the will of God. God knows all men and He knows that amongst Protestants, Muslims, Buddhists and in the whole of humanity there are men of good will. They receive the grace of baptism without knowing it, but in an effective way. In this way they become part of the Church.
The error consists in thinking that they are saved by their religion. They are saved in their religion but not by it. There is no Buddhist church in heaven, no Protestant church. This is perhaps hard to accept, but it is the truth. I did not found the Church, but rather Our Lord the Son of God. As priests we must state the truth."
(Archbishop Lefebvre, Open Letter to Confused Catholics).
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ABL isn't denying doctrine. Raoul has stated several times before what LeFebvre meant. Ask him.
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You sound like thr person that say's: "Did the Pope When He Defined that, really mean that?"
ABL said what he said...that is his interpetation.
Good day! And long live Blessed Pope John Paul II.
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Sorry, I really don't see the point of this thread or how it relates to the video or who or what Roman Theology is against or even for. I hope all discussions here aren't this confusing!
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Blessed Pope John Paul II
Wojtyla the Worst has been blessed only by Pharisees and neo-Pharisees:
http://www.barhama.com/PAVETHEWAY/rabbis.html
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Blessed Pope John Paul II
Wojtyla the Worst has been blessed only by Pharisees and neo-Pharisees:
http://www.barhama.com/PAVETHEWAY/rabbis.html
On the banner, "embrace the similarities, savor the differences."
I hope they're talking about the diversity of ethnic differences among people, and not religious doctrine.
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Well does not certain Popes and Vatican II and Bishop Leferve, CMRI, SSPX, Bishop Mark Pivarunas, Bishop Mckenna, Bishop Kelly, SSPV Teach (salvation outside the Church)? I guess you could be with Blessed John Paul II too! Hey maybe even good olde Pope Paul VI.
Are you affiliated with Richard Ibranyi?
Very good eye Trad123. There's an unusual increase in the number of trolls on Cathinfo lately trying to undermine the good people here. He should be considered for banishment.
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You sound like thr person that say's: "Did the Pope When He Defined that, really mean that?"
ABL said what he said...that is his interpetation.
Good day! And long live Blessed Pope John Paul II.
Did you sign up here just to cut down everyone who is Traditional and to praise John Paul II? Because that's what I'm seeing from your posts, and it has a troll-like quality.
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You have not refuted one thing I have stated....CMRI and Fr. Cekada are the Schismatics.
NOT SSPX and Blessed John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI, His Holiness.
You have no arguments or theology to defeat what I have written.
Go back and review those things!
Ok Little man!
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You have not refuted one thing I have stated....CMRI and Fr. Cekada are the Schismatics.
NOT SSPX and Blessed John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI, His Holiness.
You have no arguments or theology to defeat what I have written.
Go back and review those things!
Ok Little man!
I still can't even figure out what you've really "said" or what your argument is. Can ANYONE tell me?
So far, this discussion is really weird.
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You have not refuted one thing I have stated....CMRI and Fr. Cekada are the Schismatics.
I've already refuted your heretical claim that Freemasons can be Popes. And the CMRI isn't schismatic. Father Cedaka is a dogmatic sedevacantist and a little on the kooky side, but I'm not sure I would call him a schismatic.
NOT SSPX and Blessed John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI, His Holiness.
You like the SSPX yet like JPII? That seems like an oxy-moron.
You have no arguments or theology to defeat what I have written.
Again, I refuted your claim that Masons can be Popes. You don't know what you're talking about, little man.