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Offline moneil

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New Traditionalist Seminary in Seattle
« on: November 02, 2023, 02:05:54 PM »
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  • During the discussion about fast and abstinence on the day before All Saints https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/eat-meat-today it was mentioned that the Saint Gertrude the Great calendar didn't indicate October 31 as a day of abstinence.  Another poster was surprised as they thought SGG stayed with "all things pre 55" (in my observation Bishop Dolan was more "flexible", even adopting some of Pope John XXIII's rubrics regarding pontifical Masses).  The best way to sort the issue out would be to visit http://www.sgg.org and neither their bulletin from October 29 (Christ The King) nor Bishop McGuire's column indicated fast and abstinence on October 31.

    However, Bishop McGuire's column included this:

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    Many more people from different countries have expressed interest in our seminary in Seattle. This is very encouraging and is a sign that the Church is still growing and that Our Lord has plans for it. The present seminarians are doing well, but will always expect prayers. I will update you more about our seminarians and missions at some point when I can find time to get the national newsletter started up again. Until then, you can find little nuggets of information right here in the bulletin.
    Awhile back Bishop Dolan and Bishop Sanborn had a disagreement and Bishop Dolan removed his seminarians from Bishop Sanborn's Most Holy Trinity Seminary.  I've wondered where they went.   It would be interesting to know more about the Seattle seminary and who the faculty are.  I'm surprised that it would be in Seattle, because of it not being a very central location, and for other reasons.



    In my observation the traditional seminaries in North America are, in no particular order (I realize that not all here will recognize all of these as "traditionalist"):

    • Bishop Sanborn's Most Holy Trinity Seminary (it was in Florida but I think it's now in Pennsylvania).
    • CMRI in Nebraska
    • FSSP in Nebraska
    • SPPV in New York
    • SSPX in Virginia
    • An apparently new seminary in Seattle.


    I intentionally did not include a seminary in Boston, KY.

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    Re: New Traditionalist Seminary in Seattle
    « Reply #1 on: November 03, 2023, 10:57:30 AM »
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  • I noticed a typo in my post, the fourth listing should read SSPV (not SPPV), for the Society of St. Pius V, Bishop Clarence Kelly.  Their seminary is in Round Top, New York.

    I was hoping someone might know more of the new seminary in Seattle that was referenced by Bishop Charles McGuire at St. Gertrude the Great.  I know the city well and was curious where it was located, and also who the faculty are.  It does seem unusual that it would be in Seattle rather than their base in Ohio.

    I am also wondering if the seminary list I compiled is complete, for North America?  All the possibilities need to be made well known.  Awhile back a young man posted about finding a seminary and I don't think he was helped much here.  A few suggested he should find a priest to "apprentice under".  Besides being contrary to the directives of Trent and Canon Law (1917), as I recall no one even recommended priests he should contact, so the advice was hardly helpful at all.





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    Re: New Traditionalist Seminary in Seattle
    « Reply #2 on: November 03, 2023, 12:00:19 PM »
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  • I'm very curious too. Your post about it is the first I've heard about it. Historically, SGG has seemed keen on retaining a high degree of control over their missions and chapels outside of Cincinnati. Having a seminary, of all things, in Seattle (of all places!) seems inconsistent with that. At least at first blush. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: New Traditionalist Seminary in Seattle
    « Reply #3 on: November 05, 2023, 08:38:29 PM »
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  • My guess is that the seminary is being ran by Fr. Ercoli and Fr. Hector Romero. They are in Seattle. 

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    Re: New Traditionalist Seminary in Seattle
    « Reply #4 on: November 06, 2023, 09:38:38 AM »
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  • I have to wonder how they ended up having a seminary there knowing the group. They don't even have missions west of the Mississippi, if I remember correctly.
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    Re: New Traditionalist Seminary in Seattle
    « Reply #5 on: November 06, 2023, 11:13:56 AM »
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    My guess is that the seminary is being ran by Fr. Ercoli and Fr. Hector Romero. They are in Seattle.



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    I have to wonder how they ended up having a seminary there knowing the group. They don't even have missions west of the Mississippi, if I remember correctly.

    The author of the first quote does present a plausible explanation, though it still seems odd.  Bishop Dolan, and one presumes now Bishop McGuire, had a relationship (it perhaps wouldn't be considered as being a "mission", but IDK) with Our Lady of Guadalupe in Spokane, first Fr. Kevin Vallencourt (sp?)) and now a Fr. Gerald Kasik, and Holy Redeemer Chapel in Seattle, with Fr. Carlos Ercoli and Fr. Hector Romero.  Holy Redeemer also established St. Joseph's Chapel in Mount Vernon, WA.  I believe they acquired a small mission chapel that the Archdiocese of Seattle had closed.  Bishop Dolan would go to these chapels for Confirmation, and I presume he supplied their Holy Oils.

    When Bishop Dolan removed seminarians from Most Holy Trinity (Bishop Sanborn) perhaps they went to stay with Fathers Ercoli and Romero in Seattle.  What would seem surprising about doing that is housing costs in Seattle are high (perhaps there is a very large rectory at Holy Redeemer?), it's not centrally located, there are only two priests, and a bustling urban area doesn't seem best suited for priestly formation.  On the other hand West Chester, Ohio is more centrally located, has five priests in residence (per the SGG bulletin), and rent appears to be lower than in Seattle.  Perhaps the "seminary" is actually at the Mount Vernon Chapel but Bishop McGuire said Seattle because few outside of Washington (and British Columbia) would know where Mount Vernon and the Skagit Valley are.  Mount Vernon would be a great location (quiet, rural) for a seminary, and there are three Amtrak trains a day through there, with a connection in Everett or Seattle to the Empire Builder through to Chicago and points in between.

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    Re: New Traditionalist Seminary in Seattle
    « Reply #6 on: November 06, 2023, 11:25:49 AM »
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  • Have you contacted Bishop McGuire?

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    Re: New Traditionalist Seminary in Seattle
    « Reply #7 on: November 06, 2023, 07:37:45 PM »
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  • I can verify that Fr Ercoli has a hand in the training out there.


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    Re: New Traditionalist Seminary in Seattle
    « Reply #9 on: November 09, 2023, 07:31:48 AM »
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  • Ah, so it looks like it's the SGG seminary (didn't know they had one) ... relocated to Seattle under Fr. Ercoli.  I'm guessing the seminary spun up after the dispute with Bishop Sanborn over various matters (sedeprivationism, the jab, etc.).

    Thank you for the information.

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    Re: New Traditionalist Seminary in Seattle
    « Reply #10 on: November 09, 2023, 10:28:48 AM »
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  • Ah, so it looks like it's the SGG seminary (didn't know they had one) ... relocated to Seattle under Fr. Ercoli.  I'm guessing the seminary spun up after the dispute with Bishop Sanborn ...

    Thank you 2Vermont for the link, it helps a lot of the pieces of the story fall into place.

    As I wrote in my OP, when Bishops Dolan (St. Gertrude the Great) and Sanborn (Most Holy Trinity Seminary) had their falling out Bishop Dolan pulled the seminarians from his chapels out of MHT seminary.  At one time there appeared to be a close connection between SGG and MHT ... the late Fr. Anthony Cekeda from SGG would travel to the seminary one week every month to teach liturgy and Bishop Dolan would give spiritual conferences there.  I had wondered what became of the seminarians, thinking that their formation wouldn't just be abandoned and their vocations lost.  I assumed that they were probable continuing their studies in Ohio with the priests at SGG forming the faculty.

    Bishop McGuire explained why the seminary program was moved to Seattle and one assumes that the physical infrastructure there is adequate for four seminarians.  It was reassuring to note that there is a faculty of at least three priests.


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    Re: New Traditionalist Seminary in Seattle
    « Reply #11 on: November 09, 2023, 10:55:12 AM »
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  • You're welcome moneil. I just happened to find that when I searched for info on Fr Ercoli.

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    Re: New Traditionalist Seminary in Seattle
    « Reply #12 on: November 10, 2023, 11:52:53 AM »
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  • It's good to see that there's a TLM offered by Most Holy Redeemer in West Seattle. While it's true that it's not centrally located, at least it's in a poorer and more affordable part of the city, and they probably didn't have to pay as much for the church as they would have in a more affluent neighborhood. It's now the only TLM offered in Seattle proper, since the SSPX and FSSP are located in a town north of Seattle.

    I recall that an indult TLM was once offered many years ago at Holy Family (diocesan parish), located about a mile north of Most Holy Redeemer. Sadly, that church was wreckovated about 12 years ago. It had a beautiful interior before that. It's located in the White Center neighborhood, which is quite poor and crime ridden, but maybe it's changed since I've been there quite a few years ago.

    Anyway, I hope they do well in the West Seattle location. 
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    Re: New Traditionalist Seminary in Seattle
    « Reply #13 on: November 10, 2023, 12:51:16 PM »
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  • It's good to see that there's a TLM offered by Most Holy Redeemer in West Seattle. While it's true that it's not centrally located, at least it's in a poorer and more affordable part of the city, and they probably didn't have to pay as much for the church as they would have in a more affluent neighborhood. It's now the only TLM offered in Seattle proper, since the SSPX and FSSP are located in a town north of Seattle.

    I recall that an indult TLM was once offered many years ago at Holy Family (diocesan parish), located about a mile north of Most Holy Redeemer. Sadly, that church was wreckovated about 12 years ago. It had a beautiful interior before that. It's located in the White Center neighborhood, which is quite poor and crime ridden, but maybe it's changed since I've been there quite a few years ago.

    Anyway, I hope they do well in the West Seattle location.

    White Center's been hipster central for a good ten years at least. Though it's not as crime ridden as it used to be, property crime is still high due to the milieu that progressives tend to indulge wherever they go.

    As for the new chapel further south, I'd guess it will bring in some curious locals in addition to the longtime trads who'll make the trip from out of town. The GI Bill generation that formerly lived in that neighborhood has died out, and their heirs mostly refuse to put up with the extremely noisy SeaTac flight path. Lots of recent homeowners are from Asia and Central/South America, culturally conservative compared to the city as a whole. Thus, MHR might very well attract some NOM Vietnamese and Filipinos and even some dissatisfied Pentecostals, the children and grandchildren of those lost to V2. (P.S., check out some of the surnames on those Mass intentions in the bulletin. Also Google Maps has photos and reviews going back several years, so the chapel's been around for a while.)

    Here's the website, (and they also link to the Mount Vernon location further north in their Resources list). Note too that according to the bulletin they have Mass daily and twice on Sundays, and their website encouragingly says: "A 2nd Collection is taken on the First & Third Sundays of each month. This Special Collection will go toward remodeling and building expenses."
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    Re: New Traditionalist Seminary in Seattle
    « Reply #14 on: November 10, 2023, 01:28:16 PM »
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  • Ah, so it looks like it's the SGG seminary (didn't know they had one) ... relocated to Seattle under Fr. Ercoli.  I'm guessing the seminary spun up after the dispute with Bishop Sanborn over various matters (sedeprivationism, the jab, etc.).

    Thank you for the information.

    Just FYI, the Seattle chapel website's FAQ is mostly Bp. Sanborn's writings, and their Resources tab links to the website of the MHT seminary in Reading PA.
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